"I hope voters remember this"... Jack Cafferty rips Obama Admin

Jaskalas

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Vote third party if you really want to remember this, else all you're doing is supporting more of the same from either side.
 

Arkaign

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Vote third party if you really want to remember this, else all you're doing is supporting more of the same from either side.

qfmft.

We have a problem of systemic corruption with our national political engine. A hypothetical (D) or (R) that is actually 100% honest and interested only in the best interests of their constituents would just get steamrolled by the hundreds of other cocksuckers that are just in it for their next PAC $ bribe, while working about 1/3 of the year on salaries that they vote themselves up on. F' em.

At least a 3rd party vote, while useless in practicality, can be a personal statement of dissatisfaction in the status quo.
 

Craig234

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A fair criticism of a Democrat doesn't mean it's a good idea to elect worse Republicans.

It's the same old thing we've faced before. Who's for the right thing? Progressives.

Not Corporatist Dems, not Republicans, not unelectable third parties until the system is fixed to give them a fair chance. The only major faction with the public interest are the progressives.
 

PJABBER

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Cafferty has consistently held both Republican and Democrat feet to the fire in pointing out their lies and hypocrisy. Interestingly, this commentary is repeated amongst Democrats as well as Republicans, certainly amongst Independents that will shape the outcome of elections this year.

Third party? I doubt one will surface in any viable form. The Republicans are churning internally in trying to accept the Tea Party movement and they are likely going to be the default beneficiaries. The Democrats, entirely beholden to the "progressive" Left, haven't a chance of getting any of that anti-incumbency momentum. Guys like Sestak (D) in PA are claiming populism, but it is a lonely cry that is drowned out by the true believers/fanatics like Grayson (D) of Florida.

The interesting action will be in the Republican primaries. Who will win out - the Tea Party ideologues and other anti-incumbency populists or the Old Guard? I'm betting the Tea Partiers will massively shape the outcomes in 2010.
 

Sinsear

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A fair criticism of a Democrat doesn't mean it's a good idea to elect worse Republicans.

It's the same old thing we've faced before. Who's for the right thing? Progressives.

Not Corporatist Dems, not Republicans, not unelectable third parties until the system is fixed to give them a fair chance. The only major faction with the public interest are the progressives.


You're such a tool.
 

Robor

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What makes any of you think any alleged progressives or tea baggers would do anything different if/when they got power?
 

Craig234

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Cafferty has consistently held both Republican and Democrat feet to the fire in pointing out their lies and hypocrisy. Interestingly, this commentary is repeated amongst Democrats as well as Republicans, certainly amongst Independents that will shape the outcome of elections this year.

Third party? I doubt one will surface in any viable form. The Republicans are churning internally in trying to accept the Tea Party movement and they are likely going to be the default beneficiaries. The Democrats, entirely beholden to the "progressive" Left, haven't a chance of getting any of that anti-incumbency momentum. Guys like Sestak (D) in PA are claiming populism, but it is a lonely cry that is drowned out by the true believers/fanatics like Grayson (D) of Florida.

The interesting action will be in the Republican primaries. Who will win out - the Tea Party ideologues and other anti-incumbency populists or the Old Guard? I'm betting the Tea Partiers will massively shape the outcomes in 2010.

Aren't you the confused one. The Democrats party isn't 'beholden' to the progressives - quite the opposite, and that's the problem as most decisions have been against the progressives includng this one.

Alan Grayson appears to be a progressive, whatever you're trying to say wrongly and to use some meaningless insult about 'true believer'.
 

PJABBER

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Aren't you the confused one. The Democrats party isn't 'beholden' to the progressives - quite the opposite, and that's the problem as most decisions have been against the progressives includng this one.

Alan Grayson appears to be a progressive, whatever you're trying to say wrongly and to use some meaningless insult about 'true believer'.

"Appears" to be a progressive????? Democrat Grayson of Florida is the POSTER CHILD of the progressives!!!!!!!!
 

StageLeft

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Can somebody say why Obama and the dems appear to be pushing hard for something that the majority of people don't want in its current form, or at least in the way it's being done? Either it will hurt them when it comes to voting or in some manner they will still get votes. I am not clearly on why they would appear to do something to alienate so many.
 

Craig234

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Can somebody say why Obama and the dems appear to be pushing hard for something that the majority of people don't want in its current form, or at least in the way it's being done? Either it will hurt them when it comes to voting or in some manner they will still get votes. I am not clearly on why they would appear to do something to alienate so many.

A few benefits for anyone in power to less open processes are it being easier to cut deals that don't look good to the public, to avoid embarrassment whether legitimate or not (what private business would make all its meetings open to the public to watch? Don't confuse this question with the public obligation, I'm only referring to the problems it causes), and it's more efficient to get things done.

'Politicians have to LOOK good to the voters, and DO good for the donors'. Closed off processes help with both.
 

OutHouse

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i really dont understand why people want to be a part of either party. nothing is more disgusting than seeing some idiot at a a party convention and they are all doey eyed looking at some mule with a microphone promising this and promising that.
 

boomerang

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Can somebody say why Obama and the dems appear to be pushing hard for something that the majority of people don't want in its current form, or at least in the way it's being done? Either it will hurt them when it comes to voting or in some manner they will still get votes. I am not clearly on why they would appear to do something to alienate so many.
Why would the majority in Congress vote for a bill that the public does not want? Power and control. Obama promised us he would fundamentally transform the United States of America. This is one promise he fully intends to keep.

Government run health care will give them control over 1/6th of our economy. Combine that with the various businesses and banks the government owns and that percentage is even greater.

Health care is also about redistribution of wealth. Take from the rich to give to the poor. When there are more on the public dole than not, the control increases to a point where there is no turning back.

You know something is not right. You feel it in your gut. You're not wrong. Why would so many in Washington willingly commit what appears to be political suicide? Maybe it only appears to be suicide. I’ve already said several times before here that our form of representative government is dead. The Senate killed it when they voted in this bill on Christmas Eve. They're ignoring us right now.

Where will this lead? How far will it be taken? IMO, all the way baby. History repeating itself.

I've been told I'm a liar and a fear monger so don’t believe a word I say.

Edit: Forgot this. You should read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
 
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brencat

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You know something is not right. You feel it in your gut. You're not wrong. Why would so many in Washington willingly commit what appears to be political suicide? Maybe it only appears to be suicide. I’ve already said several times before here that our form of representative government is dead. The Senate killed it when they voted in this bill on Christmas Eve. They're ignoring us right now.

Where will this lead? How far will it be taken? IMO, all the way baby. History repeating itself.

IMO, regarding the bolded above, I believe the liberal Dems are willing to lose the battle (the 2010, possibly 2012 elections) to win the war (control, dependence of the populace on entitlements that benefit the Dem party long term). They are on the cusp of passing the kind of bill they've dreamed of for decades that they believe will cement their voting block for generations.
 

dyna

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The Democrat's have taken the F*** it approach and could care less about right or wrong. They simply want pass this pile of crap no matter what and this is there last hope so there willing to break promises and prevent debate to make it happen.
 

bfdd

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Vote third party if you really want to remember this, else all you're doing is supporting more of the same from either side.

Every time my friends want to talk politics I constantly bring this up. I say it doesn't matter who you vote for republican or democrat you're voting for the same bullshit over and over and over.
 

heyheybooboo

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Never really cared for Jack Cafferty one way or the other --- whether he was bashing Bush or now Obama.

He just reminds me of an angry, white, populist Howard Beale shouting, "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

A simple angry populist flame-thrower with no real answers to the difficult times now and in the past, and those in front of us. I can see why the Tea Baggers love him - LOL




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Carmen813

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Cafferty has consistently held both Republican and Democrat feet to the fire in pointing out their lies and hypocrisy. Interestingly, this commentary is repeated amongst Democrats as well as Republicans, certainly amongst Independents that will shape the outcome of elections this year.

Third party? I doubt one will surface in any viable form. The Republicans are churning internally in trying to accept the Tea Party movement and they are likely going to be the default beneficiaries. The Democrats, entirely beholden to the "progressive" Left, haven't a chance of getting any of that anti-incumbency momentum. Guys like Sestak (D) in PA are claiming populism, but it is a lonely cry that is drowned out by the true believers/fanatics like Grayson (D) of Florida.

The interesting action will be in the Republican primaries. Who will win out - the Tea Party ideologues and other anti-incumbency populists or the Old Guard? I'm betting the Tea Partiers will massively shape the outcomes in 2010.

Once can only hope they turn out as they did in the 23rd.
 

PJABBER

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Once can only hope they turn out as they did in the 23rd.

The 23d was an anomaly on many levels.

If there was another week in the election cycle or if the Republican withdrew and declared for her best friend, the Democrat, just a bit earlier, the Conservative candidate would be in office now.

New York's Conservative Party only comes into play when the Republicans lean too far left. And don't they usually win then? And subsequently caucus with the Republicans? Just like the Socialists caucus with their fellow traveler Democrats?