I hope they execute this bastard

[AndrewR]

:|

FBI agent accused of spying

They won't, though, because they always strike a deal to find out exactly what they passed to determine what was compromised. I personally think they should just torture it out of them.

 

[Czar]

Simple, just take everything he owns except perhaps $500 and then take his citizenship away from him and send him to some island in asia.

 

[guyver01]

I think the NSA should arrange for an "accident" to happen while he's awaiting trial.

All traitors should be 'removed'

 

[Modeps]

it figures that something like this happens... just to make people more pissed at some other country for invading our privacy.

 

[Modeps]

oh yah, kill the bastard

 

[gittyup]

This person a disgrace to our country. I believe another US military person was caught spying for Russia not too long ago. Ironic that his position with the FBI was in counterspying. When someone sells our countries military secrets to other countries, they are putting all of us at risk and should be punished publically and harshly.

 

[Elledan]

<< it figures that something like this happens... just to make people more pissed at some other country for invading our privacy. >>

I think Intake77 nailed it: it's all about privacy.

As long as all countries keep treating each other like enemies and keep them out of everything, war will always be around the corner.

With that said, we could ask ourselves: 'Why do we actually need countries? Why not make the whole world one big 'country'?'

 

[snow patrol]

He's only ACCUSED. Nothing's been proved yet.

 

[AndrewR]

gittyup, there was also a civilian defense worker for the US Army who was arrested recently. I don't believe the impact was quite as profound as this FBI agent, however.

elledan, there are separate countries simply for the fact that there are groups of people around the world who do not share the same interests and who want to live their lives in a manner which does not suit other people. I am sure that there are people (well, men) in Afghanistan that are happy with the Taliban rule, but I would never want to live there. You could say the same thing for many places around the world, from all sorts of perspectives.

One big country = anarchy

 

[Elledan]

<<One big country = anarchy >>

Not necessarily:

You can have one central Government, which controls all 'states' in which the world is divided. You could compare it to how the USA is being governed (although some improvements might be necessary, due to the large area which has to be controlled).

 

[Elledan]

Red Dawn

Then please explain why a central Government is so much different from the central Government in the USA?

Usually, a Governement doesn't exist out of only one 'kind' of people, but those who govern the country will be choosen the democratic way.

Instead of loads of big and smaller countries, all with their own central Government (for that country), why can't we 'merge' all those countries and make it just one big 'country'?

 

[Dean]

<< Instead of loads of big and smaller countries, all with their own central Government (for that country), why can't we 'merge' all those countries and make it just one big 'country'? >>



Simply because there are too many Countries now with too many problems, whether it be economic or political, those problems and beliefs will never go away even with a so called central gov't. And our &quot;then&quot; gov't will be swamped with Chinese communists, with a few Hussein's and Kaddafi's in between. I'll pass on that idea thank you very much.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Elledan

One world government would certainly make a lot of people around the world very, very happy... they would have the opportunity to impose their will on the most powerful democracy in the world (the US).

The bottom line is that there are a LOT of people out there that want what you and I have and would be more than happy to do lots of dirty underhanded things to try to make it happen.

Lots of people in the world aren't happy that those of us in this country consume 30% of the worlds energy and generate 80% of the worlds garbage.

So before thinking a world government would be a good idea, think of what freedoms you would be willing to give up and what lifestyle changes you would be willing to make to make that a reality.

Also look at the erosion of state's rights in this country over the last 80 years and tell me that the same thing wouldn't happen under a world government?

 

[Moonbeam]

AndrewR, it's a pity you can't spend some time inside the body of some person somewhere in the world today who is being tortured to confess crimes against the state he or she didn't do. It would do your amazing ego good, for example to have to write out how horrible the United States is, how you despise it and would do anything to destroy it under penalty of pain and suffering. There is nothing wrong with loving your country and wishing ill on those who threaten it, provided your country deserves that honor. The reason we are great is because we don't torture people to get confessions. You missed your calling, you should have been in the Third Reich.

 

[Elledan]

Dean,

Seeing that even in the USA you already got communists, homos, nazis, people with other 'weird' political ideas, etc. etc., merging all those cultures from all those countries would give just about the same result as an average European country.

Advantage would be that no dictators could exist anymore and wars between countries would be impossible.

Biggest problem I can see already is the fact that people like it to be 'different', whereby culture plays a big role. Making everyone on this planet give up his/her culture would certainly lead to resistance. There would also be arguments about how this 'world-culture' would look like, which political system to use, etc.

It would be worth a try, I think.

 

[PattySmear]

I just found out that AndrewR is accused (by me) of spying against the USA!!!!

I HOPE SOMEBODY FRIES HIM!!!

 

[Azraele]

All people are innocent until proven guilty.
Remember this before you burn the guy at the stake.

If he is guilty, though, he deserves what punishment he gets.

 

[AndrewR]

elledan: The big problem with having one world central government is that it would be so ridiculously inefficient that nothing would be done. Any locally located governments (&quot;provinces&quot; within the central government) would end up functioning in the same manner as countries now.

Red, actually Aldrich Ames was responsible for well over 30 deaths as I recall hearing. One of my professors in college was at that time recently retired from the CIA and had worked with Ames in Italy. He knew of several people who were most likely killed as a result of Ames' espionage. He later was called to provide testimony against Ames. In all likelihood, there were some Americans killed as well, but it's unlikely anyone of us will actually ever learn the truth of that aspect. They died in &quot;training accidents&quot;.

Moonbeam, mad because I mentioned your meds the other day? Treason is the highest crime against the state and as a direct result of that crime, people die or are tortured by other regimes. Oh, overlooked that little part, did you? Come down from your fvcking ivory tower and look at reality for a change. You betray your country, you deserve the worst that can be meted out. If you don't like this place, leave and live somewhere else but don't kill those who are serving their country.

Azraele: This guy was under surveillance for quite some time: &quot;...agency officials had been aware of the spying for the past several months...&quot;. Gee, do you think they have evidence to convict him? Sure, legally he's still &quot;innocent&quot;, but that's like saying Hinckley didn't shoot Reagan prior to the trial -- there were only dozens if not hundreds of witnesses plus a television camera which caught it on tape. Does that mean it didn't happen until the court says it did? Come on, that's ridiculous. Fine -- wait until he's convicted THEN torture him. I have no problem with that.

 

[AndrewR]

Oh, almost forgot...

Patty: Troll.

 

[Yzzim]

I wanted him fried too....until I heard he has 6 kids

 

[PattySmear]

<< Gee, do you think they have evidence to convict him? Sure, legally he's still &quot;innocent&quot;... >>




What kind of lawyer are you? I think you've been neglecting your CLE classes. Ambulance chaser.

 

[Viper GTS]

According to MSNBC, he was arrested immediately after dropping a package of classified information in a local park. That's pretty damning evidence, if you ask me.

As for his six kids, he should have thought of that before he betrayed his country.

Viper GTS

 

[Azraele]

<<Does that mean it didn't happen until the court says it did? Come on, that's ridiculous. >>


That same comment could be put toward any trial in which the accused is actually guilty. Regardless, our laws stipulate that a person is innocent until proven guilty. He will be punished for his crimes in due time.

 

[Azraele]

<<As for his six kids, he should have thought of that before he betrayed his country>>

Agreed, no one forced him to do what he did.
Regardless, the kinds, the innocents in this case, will still be the ones to suffer.

Anyone know why he did what he did?

 

[Kosugi]

The individual is entitled to his day in court. All of you vigilante wannabees will just have to wait until after the trial to lynch him.

AndrewR, I do hope you are joking. If not, you are a bloodthirsty fool. I can only hope you seek help for your violent tendencies. Any civilized person would be abhorred at the thought of torture, regardless of what reason.

Viper, if the news told you he was caught dropping off information to evil elvis impersonators from the planet Galatta, would you believe it too? Skepticism is warranted here.

I also thought it was interesting that the FBI said they recieved a tip from the Russians themselves. Now that doesn't make sense.

Whatever. Hopefully, the FBI will have done a thorough job investigating. If he is guilty, he will suffer life in prison along with Ames and Pollack. That itself is considered by many to be a fate worse than death.