I honestly don't care for Apple Products

[Ichinisan]

Bought an Ipad Mini 2 Retina last year for Christmas for $400. 16GB is a joke.

Bought a Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 this year for Christmas for $200 and it has expandable memory too. The Ipad Mini 2 Retina is still going for $300 today. F U Apple.

The only thing I can give them credit for is the superior battery life. I absolutely DESPISE them for not having a back button. It annoys me to no end.

Hate the unpredictability of the back button in Android.

iOS 7/8 works very well when you swipe from the left edge of the screen to go back.

 

[Rakehellion]

Ok, sure, the flagship ip6 is actually $650, Droid Turbo $600.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/iphone-6/
http://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/droid-turbo-ballistic-nylon/

These prices matter, especially to Verizon users, because their monthly payment is contingent upon paying off the entirety of the retail price with the Edge plan. I'm paying 8% less per month and getting 2X the battery life of the iphone 6 and wireless charging. Overall, the iphone 6 gets shit on by the Droid Turbo, $ for $. If you want to bridge the battery gap, then you're going to have to fork out $750 for the 6+, or 25% more than the Droid Turbo. Have fun with that. Read the link I posted above.

Wireless charging on a phone that size. Have fun waiting 10 hours to get to 100%.

You harp on battery life as if it's the only thing that matters.

 

[Rakehellion]

I'd love to own a MacBook Air, but the screen res isn't high enough for the amount of money I'd be shelling out.

The Air is definitely a second machine. I couldn't do less than the 15" Retina.

 

[vi edit]

Wireless charging on a phone that size. Have fun waiting 10 hours to get to 100%.

You harp on battery life as if it's the only thing that matters.

I was down to 37% on mine when I went to bed last night. Put it on the charging pad at 10:15 and took it off at 100% at 5:30. That's good enough for me. Still have half a dozen micro usb cables and wall chargers laying around from various devices if I need anything more than that.

 

[HeXen]

With a man. LOL

You still in jr. high or what?

 

[DesiPower]

I got a refurbished Galasy Tab 3 8" about 3 months back for $120 after rebates and all, this was for my 7 year old son. Works perfectly fine, no issues at all. Now for a Apple product that could never happen. Again, my reason for staying away form apply is price, I never get the latest and greatest stuff, and for year or two old models non-Apple products can be found for much much cheaper price.

 

[vi edit]

I got a refurbished Galasy Tab 3 8" about 3 months back for $120 after rebates and all, this was for my 7 year old son. Works perfectly fine, no issues at all. Now for a Apple product that could never happen. Again, my reason for staying away form apply is price, I never get the latest and greatest stuff, and for year or two old models non-Apple products can be found for much much cheaper price.

I've seen first gen Mini's go for as low as $175. 2nd gen retina ones were onsale week of black friday for $200. That's a decent deal. It's not $120 but it's also a more premium device and has better resale that you'd easily get back.

 

[steppinthrax]

You still in jr. high or what?

Worse,

Elementary School

 

[WelshBloke]

You harp on battery life as if it's the only thing that matters.

The thing about battery life is that nothing else matters if it isn't enough.
You can have the fastest, best equipped device in the world but it's just an expensive paperweight if the battery life isn't enough.


And having a USB battery dangling from it as you're trying to walk around using it is really not a great solution.

 

[steppinthrax]

The thing about battery life is that nothing else matters if it isn't enough.
You can have the fastest, best equipped device in the world but it's just an expensive paperweight if the battery life isn't enough.


And having a USB battery dangling from it as you're trying to walk around using it is really not a great solution.

How much longer does a Ipod/Iphone battery last (lifespan) compared to comparable devices with removable batteries.

 

[Ichinisan]

I got a refurbished Galasy Tab 3 8" about 3 months back for $120 after rebates and all, this was for my 7 year old son. Works perfectly fine, no issues at all. Now for a Apple product that could never happen. Again, my reason for staying away form apply is price, I never get the latest and greatest stuff, and for year or two old models non-Apple products can be found for much much cheaper price.

...and they're much much closer to obsolescence because the manufacturers like Samsung are itching to dump support for older devices.

 

[DesiPower]

...and they're much much closer to obsolescence because the manufacturers like Samsung are itching to dump support for older devices.

Support? What type of support are you talking about?. If you are talking about OS upgrades and patches and such, then I don't really care about them. Security is not really a concern and feature wise, well, I have android 4.0 4.2 4.4. I frankly don't see much of difference, nothing that I miss in 4.0

 

[MagickMan]

An annoyingly restrictive OS.

Dont forget the annoyingly restrictive bit. :whiste:

I was pretty pissed off over Android screwing with SD card storage for a while, so they don't get a pass when it comes to restrictions either.

 

[bradly1101]

I have a friend who's a major Apple fan, and she chews through hardware like it goes out of style every year. Oh wait... Anything she keeps longer gets "slow." Another friend's iPad died so he Googled for a fix and discovered that people had success slamming them down on a table, so he tried it and it works.

In trying to help Apple users, I've come across many threads about Apple unreliability. I know they make a lot of stuff at Foxconn. Didn't they used to make motherboards that garnered the same comments?

 

[Ichinisan]

Support? What type of support are you talking about?. If you are talking about OS upgrades and patches and such, then I don't really care about them. Security is not really a concern and feature wise, well, I have android 4.0 4.2 4.4. I frankly don't see much of difference, nothing that I miss in 4.0

Having a large user base that is not using the latest OS negatively impacts the app ecosystem.

 

[Ichinisan]

I have a friend who's a major Apple fan, and she chews through hardware like it goes out of style every year. Oh wait... Anything she keeps longer gets "slow." Another friend's iPad died so he Googled for a fix and discovered that people had success slamming them down on a table, so he tried it and it works.

In trying to help Apple users, I've come across many threads about Apple unreliability. I know they make a lot of stuff at Foxconn. Didn't they used to make motherboards that garnered the same comments?

In my personal experience, Apple hardware is quite reliable. I've had problems, but they were addressed. I've had far more problems with my non-Apple consumer electronics devices.

 

[xaeniac]

Apple hardware is solid. The locked ecosystem is what gets me. If you have a bit of tech savvy you will eventually break away due to wtf can't I do this.

 

[lxskllr]

In my personal experience, Apple hardware is quite reliable. I've had problems, but they were addressed. I've had far more problems with my non-Apple consumer electronics devices.

In my personal experience, all hardware is reliable, except the ones that aren't. Apple has nice Industrial design, but the parts are the same Chinese crap that go into every other computer. An argument(frivolous imo) can be made for buying Apple's physical design, but arguing the "quality" of the parts is delusional.

 

[Ichinisan]

In my personal experience, all hardware is reliable, except the ones that aren't. Apple has nice Industrial design, but the parts are the same Chinese crap that go into every other computer. An argument(frivolous imo) can be made for buying Apple's physical design, but arguing the "quality" of the parts is delusional.

Not really. Apple has a lot of "pull" in the industry and usually gets top pick of high quality screens, batteries, and other components. Suppliers actually prioritize parts destined for Apple because Apple is very demanding with QA testing. An Apple supplier simply doesn't want to lose out to another supplier due to an excessive defect rate.

That's a fact.

 

[OverVolt]

Apple costs way too much for what is essentially a time waster.

 

[lxskllr]

Not really. Apple has a lot of "pull" in the industry and usually gets top pick of high quality screens, batteries, and other components. Suppliers actually prioritize parts destined for Apple because Apple is very demanding with QA testing. An Apple supplier simply doesn't want to lose out to another supplier due to an excessive defect rate.

That's a fact.

Nonsense. What big name computer maker(IOW, not a generic Android device from China) has problems with components? I've had stuff from Samsung, HP, Dell, and Compaq, as well as parts too numerous to count, and the only problem with any of them was a Dell laptop. It was a bottom end machine I got for filling out a credit application, and the heatpipe went bad on it. That was just bad luck, and "bad luck" has happened to Apple products also.

 

[HeXen]

Nonsense. What big name computer maker(IOW, not a generic Android device from China) has problems with components? I've had stuff from Samsung, HP, Dell, and Compaq, as well as parts too numerous to count, and the only problem with any of them was a Dell laptop. It was a bottom end machine I got for filling out a credit application, and the heatpipe went bad on it. That was just bad luck, and "bad luck" has happened to Apple products also.

Plenty. Even Apple had an issue with their 2011? line of MacBooks...something with the graphics chip I think. It was a huge problem. Dell/HP...all of them have at various times shipped out bad components in various products. There are forums filled to the brim with about every brand name imaginable of people having failed hardware but it's not uncommon to have an entire line of flawed products.

 

[lxskllr]

Plenty. Even Apple had an issue with their 2011? line of MacBooks...something with the graphics chip I think. It was a huge problem. Dell/HP...all of them have at various times shipped out bad components in various products. There are forums filled to the brim with about every brand name imaginable of people having failed hardware but it's not uncommon to have an entire line of flawed products.

Correct. I meant above and beyond normal problem distribution. In general, Apple will fail as much as any other brand, because they use the same Chinese crap as everyone else. You can't make a blanket statement that HPs have shitty displays, or Dell batteries catch fire.

 

[Ichinisan]

Plenty. Even Apple had an issue with their 2011? line of MacBooks...something with the graphics chip I think. It was a huge problem. Dell/HP...all of them have at various times shipped out bad components in various products. There are forums filled to the brim with about every brand name imaginable of people having failed hardware but it's not uncommon to have an entire line of flawed products.

Pretty much every manufacturer with that series of GPU experienced it. NVIDIA actually issued the recall. The lead-free solder (required for RoHS certification) is more brittle and requires a higher temperature to melt. The BGA chip packages would heat/cool during use and each cycle would cause flexing of the board. Eventually, solder joints would fail. We know what the problem is. Blast the affected chip with a heat gun for a while to re-liquefy the solder and you temporarily fix the problem.

Countless game consoles, TVs, monitors, laptops, and other consumer electronics were affected by issues with BGA chip packages and lead-free solder.

I have a useless Gateway 30" monitor that's failed due to lead-free solder + BGA packages. I've had PS3s fail. I've had lots of failed laptops (not just the GPU, but the motherboard chipset too). I haven't owned an XBOX 360, but millions of those failed.

Most manufacturers never issued recalls or only did for a tiny fraction of the affected product lines.

 

[CZroe]

Nonsense. What big name computer maker(IOW, not a generic Android device from China) has problems with components? I've had stuff from Samsung, HP, Dell, and Compaq, as well as parts too numerous to count, and the only problem with any of them was a Dell laptop. It was a bottom end machine I got for filling out a credit application, and the heatpipe went bad on it. That was just bad luck, and "bad luck" has happened to Apple products also.

The display panel in my Alienware M11X is the exact same part as the 11.6" MacBook Air except it looks like TOTAL crap. M11x reviews were quick to point out just how bad it was but also quick to excuse it saying that there were no quality 11.6" displays available.

Now, here is why the 11.6" MacBook Air display looks so much better: Bin sorting. Apple got the quality parts. Simple. If I gut a MacBook Air and put it's display in this notebook it will make a world of difference despite being the exact same part number.