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InflatableBuddha said:
I haven't heard of many Saturn owners bragging about longevity either 😉.
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They be roling like louisss in the acood...

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I took both my previous Accords past 220k before I got rid of them. Cheap to maintain, reliable, bulletproof 4-cylinder motors, they held their resale values well, and they were very easy to sell.

As someone mentioned earlier, Honda does very little marketing. They offer few incentives or rebates on their vehicles. They don't offer 10-year warranties, cheap gas, payment protection plans or other gimmicks. Their "gimmick" is their consistency for making affordable, reliable automobiles. The latest brand reliability ratings showed Honda as the most consistent manufacturer in terms of quality; even the lowest rated model in their lineup was still good enough to be recommended.

To be clear, resale value was very important to me when I purchased my new Accord. The new Ford Fusion might be right up there in terms of quality, but it will take Ford several years of consistent performance before that car commands the same price retention as the Accord or Camry.
 
Marlin1975 said:
They be roling like louisss in the acood...

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too bad thats a shitty ass GM car, u sad about something my man? what happen, your GM isn't worth much anymore after u got it? aw that sucks, my 05 accord still has 50% of its resale value as when i got it new.

stop your crying my man, just get a Honda they're great cars
 
alphatarget1 said:
Honduh owners aren't smug though.

My German friend said there was an old saying that each ring on the Audi logo means 100,000km, so supposedly they last 400,000 kms. That's about 250 k miles.
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Well, my friends from Europe say similar thing as well. No wonder Audi has won the #1 place again (6 consecutive years) in Auto Zeitung image report. Among the categories, 51% of the voters chose Audi for the "Which brand makes very reliable cars?" question. (Which I was like, are you kidding me?)

Audi over there is different from Audi here, I guess?
 
I used to have a 1988 Accord with 180k+ miles on it (odometer broken and won't show any higher) and the thing is a tank. Extremely well built car that's reliable. Honda FTW.

Since that 88 Accord, I own several new honda afterward. Get a Honda & their 4 cylinder engine and you're guaranteed 200k+ miles of trouble free ride. They haven't perfected their 6 cylinders though...

I now have a mazdaspeed 3 because i'm looking for something more sporty & torquey
 
everydae said:
Well, my friends from Europe say similar thing as well. No wonder Audi has won the #1 place again (6 consecutive years) in Auto Zeitung image report. Among the categories, 51% of the voters chose Audi for the "Which brand makes very reliable cars?" question. (Which I was like, are you kidding me?)

Audi over there is different from Audi here, I guess?
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The perception certainly is. Resale value on German cars (VW, BMW, Audi) is where it is at. Asian cars are the "cheap" options with much worse resale. They still think the Asian cars are reliable than other brands...but not to the degree that people tend to think they are over here.
 
PhoKingGuy said:
Thing is Hondas are fine cars for what they're supposed to do. My brothers Accord EX is a fantastic highway cruiser, good seats, soft suspension, etc. Its just the owners think they're made out of gold which usually isnt the case.
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As far as one's wallet is concerned they are. The resale value and the insurance pay offs on those cars are fantastic.
 
zerocool84 said:
The only thing I say is don't buy Honda/Toyota used. They are fine to buy new but are insanely priced used.
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That is not the case. You can get a good deal if you look around.
For example, I got my 06 Accord SE Manual for $13,500 a year ago. The car had 26,000 miles on it so it was still under factory warranty when I bought it.
A sticker price for that particular 06 was $21,000 - so I saved quite a bit of money.
 
zerocool84 said:
The only thing I say is don't buy Honda/Toyota used. They are fine to buy new but are insanely priced used.
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I'd say it depends on the car. Accords are actually pretty good if you shop around.

Civics are overpriced though when it comes to buying one used.
 
InflatableBuddha said:
I haven't heard of many Saturn owners bragging about longevity either 😉.
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I have. Especially Ion owners. The older S-class cars were great, but the engines had a bad habit of eating oil after about 75k-100k miles (not all of them did though); however Ions were sort of hit-and-miss in that you either had one with really obnoxious problems that manifested early on (ignition problems, such as the infamous "car that won't turn off") or you had one that was rock-solid and would last a long time.

So, if you got lucky and had a good Ion that would go for a long time, then you got maybe a 100-200k mile car. You could probably get the same out of an S-class if you could tolerate the oil loss or could find some way to fix it.

If you look at the used Ion market, some of them are starting to sell for a fair amount of money due to the fuel economy on the manuals.

Back to the issue of used Hondas . . . with the newer Hondas, they're valued highly due to the durability of their engines. Some of them get fairly good fuel economy, too. If you go back to the 5th-gen Hondas, fuel economy gets even better if you don't mind dealing with anemic engines. Some tuners/ricers/ecomodders like the 5th gen and earlier Civics because you can get hatchbacks that weigh around 2100 pounds. I still think the values you're seeing on Craigslist and the like are overly-inflated, with old CX and VX Civics going for $3000 and up. There's a guy near me selling a '92 VX with 140k miles for $4k which is ridiculous (Bluebook is $1,535 at the top-end). Even the insurance replacement value of some of those old Civics won't come close to what people want for them used.
 
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My mother in law has a Civic (2001). It was a huge piece of junk. At 100k the car was falling apart. Interior trim was falling off, switchgear was broken (knobs, buttons, etc). The engine went at 100k, lost oil pressure and burned up. Tranny went at 25k and Honda replaced it. Numerous electrical problems. It ate batteries, Honda never figured out why. About a battery a year. This car was driven 2-3 days a week by a woman in her 70s - the car wasn't being ragged on.
 
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LS8 said:
My mother in law has a Civic (2001). It was a huge piece of junk. At 100k the car was falling apart. Interior trim was falling off, switchgear was broken (knobs, buttons, etc). The engine went at 100k, lost oil pressure and burned up. Tranny went at 25k and Honda replaced it. Numerous electrical problems. It ate batteries, Honda never figured out why. About a battery a year. This car was driven 2-3 days a week by a woman in her 70s - the car wasn't being ragged on.
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Nobody's perfect. I knew a guy with a '96 Civic that had some ugly problems with his. I think it was an automatic. Honestly I wouldn't trust one with an auto. I've been warned to avoid their v6s as well (obviously not a problem with a Civic, but . . .).
 
Honda's are far from perfect lol.

Pretty much once the 1998 models hit, Honda forgot how to build an auto tranny.
Even their manuals weren't the greatest, and my friend's 08 civic si has the infamous 3rd gear popup and poor synchro functionality. Pathetic IMO.
 
LS8 said:
My mother in law has a Civic (2001). It was a huge piece of junk. At 100k the car was falling apart. Interior trim was falling off, switchgear was broken (knobs, buttons, etc). The engine went at 100k, lost oil pressure and burned up. Tranny went at 25k and Honda replaced it. Numerous electrical problems. It ate batteries, Honda never figured out why. About a battery a year. This car was driven 2-3 days a week by a woman in her 70s - the car wasn't being ragged on.
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your MIL probably didn't ever bring her car in for scheduled maintenance and didn't care much about the car...
single instances don't matter much here, look at the bigger picture... Hondas generally are very very very reliable cars with many users on Anandtech alone (not even a car forum) saying they've run their H's to 200+ miles without a single hiccup.
 
LOUISSSSS said:
your MIL probably didn't ever bring her car in for scheduled maintenance and didn't care much about the car...
single instances don't matter much here, look at the bigger picture... Hondas generally are very very very reliable cars with many users on Anandtech alone (not even a car forum) saying they've run their H's to 200+ miles without a single hiccup.
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Troll, troll, troll your boat.
 
LS8 said:
I always wondered what Toyota was paying you. Now we know.
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no thats what ur ma pays me

Malak said:
How comfortable is that resale value? Does it cushion your butt cheeks real well while you are taking those corners are 10mph?
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no i dont drive my sedan like a family car, but i take 90d corners pretty well going 30mph. my leather seats feel pretty great tho, could u afford those?
 
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