I have this feeling that since users can't buy Fury/X, they're buying 390/X

[railven]

this is how you see it went down.
whatever i wrote was my opinion on how a regular buyer looks at things.
and i still stand by it. people do not buy cards based on benchmarks only. and as per my experience

Of course they don't. I never even made that argument. I challenged your blower statement - that was all. You then either got caught off guard by the info I provided or mad because REVIEWERS sad bad things about the Fury X CLC. I didn't even say anything negative about the card myself. (Now you're going to re-read my posts and be like "SOB!"

, blower+clc will be louder and will have lesser life if ppl don't live in completely closed air conditioned rooms.

And what do you base this on? If you say reviews/benchmarks doesn't that sort of deflate the overall point you were arguing?

Using reviews and benchmarks, I saw that the hybrid options with the "loud blower" actually weren't an issue. I just assumed because the 980's use less power to begin with they didn't get as hot and thus the CLC's were overkill and probably stayed at a lower idle/ramp up.

I can keep my Golden Oozaru ref sample with a monster OC under 65C with the blower at 100%. Sure it's loud, but that tells me the card isn't getting too hot where as my ref 290X with moderate OC and fan at 100% was tip-toeing to 70C (and it was louder).

and yes, i have labeled & you have proved it "whatever, I dont care if anyone says something nice about AMD"

I love it when this gets thrown at me. Because then I tell people I'm an ATI/Radeon Fanboy and they look at my sig. And I laugh more. If you wish to label me, by all means. Sorry I don't always drink the Kool Aid. I do call AMD out when they screw up.

 

[sam_816]

Of course they don't. I never even made that argument. I challenged your blower statement - that was all. You then either got caught off guard by the info I provided or mad because REVIEWERS sad bad things about the Fury X CLC. I didn't even say anything negative about the card myself. (Now you're going to re-read my posts and be like "SOB!"

and you r assuming i cared to click on the links because......?????
only you were interested in 'proving' the performance of 980 ti. i was and still am discussing how and why ppl might make purchase decisions.

And what do you base this on? If you say reviews/benchmarks doesn't that sort of deflate the overall point you were arguing?

go back and read my post again and go "SOB"

Using reviews and benchmarks, I saw that the hybrid options with the "loud blower" actually weren't an issue. I just assumed because the 980's use less power to begin with they didn't get as hot and thus the CLC's were overkill and probably stayed at a lower idle/ramp up.

again, you are assuming that if you take every step only after reading all the articles on the internet avg. buyer do the same. :|

I can keep my Golden Oozaru ref sample with a monster OC under 65C with the blower at 100%. Sure it's loud, but that tells me the card isn't getting too hot where as my ref 290X with moderate OC and fan at 100% was tip-toeing to 70C (and it was louder).

I love it when this gets thrown at me. Because then I tell people I'm an ATI/Radeon Fanboy and they look at my sig. And I laugh more. If you wish to label me, by all means. Sorry I don't always drink the Kool Aid. I do call AMD out when they screw up.

well, good for you. keep reminding yourself how many great decisions you've made. you are an AMD fanboy? yea sure. everyone can read it in your posts. while others are trying to give their opinions about how they or ppl they know(or donot know at all) might be making a purchase decision and you nitpick one or two points and post links to prove their opinions have fault and on top of that assume they would care to click on the links :awe: fanboy who turned his back just because his fav. company dared to innovate and faced initial hiccups. i am sure any company will love to have fan boys like you..lol
and sorry to disappoint you but i do not get this 'kool aid' reference. i have never seen it besides in the US and have never consumed it.

 

[railven]

and you r assuming i cared to click on the links because......?????

Didn't have to click them, I quoted it right there for you

only you were interested in 'proving' the performance of 980 ti. i was and still am discussing how and why ppl might make purchase decisions.

Of course, you were wrong about the loud blower, which is why I even addressed your post.

go back and read my post again and go "SOB"
again, you are assuming that if you take every step only after reading all the articles on the internet avg. buyer do the same. :|

I don't have to read your posts. I specifically focused on one part of your post. I specifically put it in bold. I cared not to address anything else in your post but one specific part and I continued to do so. You kept trying to change what I contested to.

well, good for you. keep reminding yourself how many great decisions you've made. you are an AMD fanboy? yea sure. everyone can read it in your posts. while others are trying to give their opinions about how they or ppl they know(or donot know at all) might be making a purchase decision and you nitpick one or two points and post links to prove their opinions have fault and on top of that assume they would care to click on the links :awe: fanboy who turned his back just because his fav. company dared to innovate and faced initial hiccups. i am sure any company will love to have fan boys like you..lol

If you haven't noticed I care about the CLC. Why I focused on that part of your post. AMD launched with a horrendous CLC and buyers were left to either A) wait or B) try their luck. AMD claimed this would be fixed, yet 3-4 weeks into launch buyers were still having issues.

So, when I saw CLC issues on Fury X I looked at CLC options for 290/290X/980 Ti.

I even went as far and bought brackets and two ref 290Xs with the intentions of putting my unused Corsair coolers to work and calling it a day. But, you don't know any of that. Because you only look at my recent posting history when I, as a long time AMD supporter, got tired of waiting, got tired of AMD botching their launches, go tired of just being a blind fanboy. So, I let my wallet decide and I'm so much happier.

and sorry to disappoint you but i do not get this 'kool aid' reference. i have never seen it besides in the US and have never consumed it.

It basically means when someone ignores the faults of their bias. One can be bias and still be critical. It's when one lets their bias blind/mask the faults to a point where they appear delusional.

 

[2is]

You've at least narrowed your point down enough to make sense. If someone has to have FuryX/980ti performance and they want to spend at least $650 of course they are probably not going to downgrade. They might cross fire but I don't think many would do that either.

It was my point all along, nothing has been narrowed.

That makes no sense. If someone wants a high end card and is spending $650, why would they look at anything other than a 980Ti if they wanted but could not get Fury X?

That was my original post in this thread, what I'm saying here is no different. I elaborated simply because you read that and for some reason assumed I said anyone that has access to $650 is automatically going to buy Fury X or 980Ti just by the mere fact that they can, which isn't at all what I said.

 

[sam_816]

Didn't have to click them, I quoted it right there for you

you mean quoted the portion that fit ur need aaand then assumed i would read that.. because???
if you haven't understood till now let me put it in words.. i do not blv these articles. i don;t care what they say. i am in a community forum to read about personal experiences of users like me. that is my source of info. EXPERIENCES of actual users who pay for their stuff and use it for long periods under various circumstances...

Of course, you were wrong about the loud blower, which is why I even addressed your post.

I don't have to read your posts. I specifically focused on one part of your post. I specifically put it in bold. I cared not to address anything else in your post but one specific part and I continued to do so. You kept trying to change what I contested to.

since you couldn't see it let me copy paste it here..
"as per my experience, blower +clc will be louder..."
like many ppl i will blv my experience over an internet article.

If you haven't noticed I care about the CLC. Why I focused on that part of your post. AMD launched with a horrendous CLC and buyers were left to either A) wait or B) try their luck. AMD claimed this would be fixed, yet 3-4 weeks into launch buyers were still having issues.

So, when I saw CLC issues on Fury X I looked at CLC options for 290/290X/980 Ti.

I even went as far and bought brackets and two ref 290Xs with the intentions of putting my unused Corsair coolers to work and calling it a day. But, you don't know any of that. Because you only look at my recent posting history when I, as a long time AMD supporter, got tired of waiting, got tired of AMD botching their launches,

so, after witnessing so many botched launches you have turned from fanboy to 'i want you to fail AMD' fanboy?? if anyone will say amd is a good choice you will post all the internet articles' link you can to change their mind from buying furyx. so that company that is already not doing well should so worse and eventually shut down or sold out and nvidia gets one step closer to monopoly.. i think you are a very cool kind of a fanboy as Monopoly would be so nice for the consumers.
Or
you are no longer an AMD fanboy at all but still you posted it to get...... some kind of 'laughs'?

go tired of just being a blind fanboy. So, I let my wallet decide and I'm so much happier.

so, you can let your wallet decide but if someone thinks 'for 650 i am getting a 2nd ranked card and a clc instead of a blower(that blows)' you will shove links in his face because internet articles say different from that person's thinking or experience?? that's nice.

It basically means when someone ignores the faults of their bias. One can be bias and still be critical. It's when one lets their bias blind/mask the faults to a point where they appear delusional.

that's horrible!! why would American govt. allow such a product in the market that creates such convulsed emotions??
(hint: still don't get ur reference or how it is applicable to your situation :biggrin

 

[railven]

you mean quoted the portion that fit ur need aaand then assumed i would read that.. because???

Fit my need? What need? Again, I contested something you posted. Does this make it easier: I challenged your opinion+experience.

if you haven't understood till now let me put it in words.. i do not blv these articles. i don;t care what they say. i am in a community forum to read about personal experiences of users like me. that is my source of info. EXPERIENCES of actual users who pay for their stuff and use it for long periods under various circumstances...

I can't really post my experience with an audible device, someone already tried that and they almost got run off the forum until more people chimed in. See, the issue with posting your "experience" in forums of a technical nature is - they'll get challenged. And when they get challenged you try to find substantial evidence to back up your claim.

You seem to not care about that part, so and thus get to pick and choose what you believe. That is awesome!

since you couldn't see it let me copy paste it here..
"as per my experience, blower +clc will be louder..."
like many ppl i will blv my experience over an internet article.

So when I asked you what you based this on, you ignored me. Did you use a CLC on a video card? If so, which one? Was it just a 295X? DId you use a Mickey-Mouse setup like some other people do? I saw a bunch of home made attempts and they were frankly cool (why I even decided to go CLC for my next build in the first place.)

so, after witnessing so many botched launches you have turned from fanboy to 'i want you to fail AMD' fanboy?? if anyone will say amd is a good choice you will post all the internet articles' link you can to change their mind from buying furyx. so that company that is already not doing well should so worse and eventually shut down or sold out and nvidia gets one step closer to monopoly.. i think you are a very cool kind of a fanboy as Monopoly would be so nice for the consumers.

Some projection going on there? I don't want AMD to fail. However, I also don't want to support AMD anymore when they continue to miss the marks that kept me happy. When my CFX 7970 setup started to give me more headaches than entertainment I sold it.

So, you only accept fanboys that wave pom-poms? Well then, guess I'm not a fanboy. (Check this out, I'm also a Sony fanboy but I got a Xbox one, I also hate the PS4 because I think the hardware is too weak. I still play my PS2/PS1 games regularly though.) Oh, but I forgot real fanboys can't be critical.

I guess you only respect the "wee AMD!!! AWESOME!!!! BULLDOZER IS THE BEST UARCH EVER!!!" Gotcha

Or
you are no longer an AMD fanboy at all but still you posted it to get...... some kind of 'laughs'?

I post for laughs, yes, but not attacking people's choices. Find a single post of mine every criticizing someone's purchase and you can call me anything you want. Good luck

so, you can let your wallet decide but if someone thinks 'for 650 i am getting a 2nd ranked card and a clc instead of a blower(that blows)' you will shove links in his face because internet articles say different from that person's thinking or experience?? that's nice.

There is a reading comprehension issue some where. And while I'm sure English is not your first language, neither is it mine, so perhaps it is both are faults.

Here is what I contested, read it:

And still have a loud blower on them.

And shoved links? I showed two sources since I KNOW the hybrid haven't gotten much coverage (I don't own a Hybrid - yet, so I can't link you to my Youtube video using my personal opinion+experience, but you'd still find issue if I had no doubt) to explain how your comment was wrong. Perhaps your experience with a blower/hybrid setup was subpar, you didn't care to elaborate on it when I asked you. However, with the info I've found surfing various websites reading various forum posts - the blower has never been an issue. Some people actually use higher CFM (thus louder) fans so they can reach higher clocks.

that's horrible!! why would American govt. allow such a product in the market that creates such convulsed emotions??
(hint: still don't get ur reference or how it is applicable to your situation :biggrin

There is a lot of sugar in Kool Aid. I guess that's how capitalism works. The "better"* companies make the money and survive to fight another year.

*that word being subjective.

 

[MrAlexander006]

I waited for the Fury and Fury X announcements and was underwhelmed. I wasn't impressed with the small tweak that was the new 300 series. I purchased an EVGA B-Stock GTX 980 SC for $370 and am extremely pleased with it. The ASIC is 79% and it overclocks very well (gamestable at 1520Mhz+) and comes with a year warranty. I read through forums here and while I saw that after market 290/290xs were generally recommended for the price, I don't think I went too wrong here.

 

[tential]

Honestly Sam I fail to see how you can really be able to give goo contributions to a technical forum if you refuse to read anything other than a user experience. This is a technical discussion forum, it's not a place to only talk about user experiences.

If you want to refute all articles, studies, etc. Great, but it just means you'll have a difficult time here when you refuse to look at any articles.

Either way though it's not the point to ignore all points of data just because on here. If you can't give a good reason why a source is not trustworthy then to simply say it's not trustworthy just because is slander against that source.

Anyway, if you want to read and actually learn about some products great, if you don't ever plan on actually using this forum the way the rest of us on here on, that's fine too according to the rules I bet, I'll just have to add you to my ignore list since the point is a technical discussion forum, not a user experience only forum.

 

[x3sphere]

I waited for the Fury and Fury X announcements and was underwhelmed. I wasn't impressed with the small tweak that was the new 300 series. I purchased an EVGA B-Stock GTX 980 SC for $370 and am extremely pleased with it. The ASIC is 79% and it overclocks very well (gamestable at 1520Mhz+) and comes with a year warranty. I read through forums here and while I saw that after market 290/290xs were generally recommended for the price, I don't think I went too wrong here.

That's a great deal :thumbsup: Saved around $180 over buying Fury for slightly faster / equivalent performance.

 

[RampantAndroid]

That's a great deal :thumbsup: Saved around $180 over buying Fury for slightly faster / equivalent performance.

I didn't get down to 370, but I bought a MSI 980 off ebay. It's got a ~75% ASIC quality, and it's stable up to at least 1520 boost (though Unigine Valley was claiming I hit 1600MHz boost...) with +400 on the RAM. I'm going to try flashing BIOS tonight on it to up the maximum TDP of the card to prevent it from throttling due to power, and see where I sit.

But honestly - this is the option I thought was best. Buy the 980 now, think about Pascal when it's out.

 

[MrAlexander006]

I didn't get down to 370, but I bought a MSI 980 off ebay. It's got a ~75% ASIC quality, and it's stable up to at least 1520 boost (though Unigine Valley was claiming I hit 1600MHz boost...) with +400 on the RAM. I'm going to try flashing BIOS tonight on it to up the maximum TDP of the card to prevent it from throttling due to power, and see where I sit.

But honestly - this is the option I thought was best. Buy the 980 now, think about Pascal when it's out.

Nice! That's a good overclock. I moded my BIOS and it seems to have worked out well enough... Although I could up voltage a little and overclock higher, anything over ~1550 Mhz with higher voltage usually generates too much heat to allow for quiet fans... either I'd have to crank those fans up much higher than I want or go liquid, so I'll be happily staying around 1530 Mhz core/ 8100 Mhz mem. Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with this outcome compared to Fury, and over a 390.

 

[soccerballtux]

I waited for the Fury and Fury X announcements and was underwhelmed. I wasn't impressed with the small tweak that was the new 300 series. I purchased an EVGA B-Stock GTX 980 SC for $370 and am extremely pleased with it. The ASIC is 79% and it overclocks very well (gamestable at 1520Mhz+) and comes with a year warranty. I read through forums here and while I saw that after market 290/290xs were generally recommended for the price, I don't think I went too wrong here.

yeah that's a good deal

 

[tential]

Would it be unreasonable for me to try and get EVGA b stock of the 980ti?

Within the next 3 months. Anything after that is probably going to be not worth it to me as I am getting a or shrink card.

 

[MrAlexander006]

Would it be unreasonable for me to try and get EVGA b stock of the 980ti?

Within the next 3 months. Anything after that is probably going to be not worth it to me as I am getting a or shrink card.

I'd be surprised if any 980 ti showed up in the next three months in the b stock store. EVGA used to let you sign up to be notified when the cards not in stock are available, which is what I did for the 980, but for some reason they don't appear to let you do that on all cards any more.

 

[yacoub]

980 Ti's are being had for as little as $590.

Fury and Fury X would naturally drop price in response except that there is no inventory so nothing to drop the price on. =\

 

[Ma_Deuce]

980 Ti's are being had for as little as $590.

Fury and Fury X would naturally drop price in response except that there is no inventory so nothing to drop the price on. =\

When they are selling them as fast as they make them, there isn't much motivation to lower the price regardless of what the cheapest ti's cost.

 

[Azix]

Biggest problems with the Fury X for AMD could only be volume and margins at this point. Its selling. That's all that matters.

There are definitely things about it attracting buyers.

And Fury is as solid a buy as the 980 was when it launched. If that was "worth" $550 then Fury is.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Biggest problems with the Fury X for AMD could only be volume and margins at this point. Its selling. That's all that matters.

There are definitely things about it attracting buyers.

And Fury is as solid a buy as the 980 was when it launched. If that was "worth" $550 then Fury is.

Not sure I agree, since the only OC I've seen on a Fury non-X that looked decent involved soldering pots onto the card. A lot of 980s have good ASIC quality and can hit 1500MHz on the core...and that's easily enough to match a Fury. Had AMD added in the never settle bundle to the Fury, THEN I would have SERIOUSLY thought about one. But without never settle, I don't see it as being worth it.

 

[Azix]

Not sure I agree, since the only OC I've seen on a Fury non-X that looked decent involved soldering pots onto the card. A lot of 980s have good ASIC quality and can hit 1500MHz on the core...and that's easily enough to match a Fury. Had AMD added in the never settle bundle to the Fury, THEN I would have SERIOUSLY thought about one. But without never settle, I don't see it as being worth it.

People keep pretending everyone OCs. For those who will OC and get past 1500Mhz, good for you, though the Fury with its smaller OC might still be faster than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=245&v=-BTpXQkFJMY
https://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-r9-fury-vs-gtx-980-overclocked-benchmarks-what-should-you-get

For what I think is most people, the stock performance is what they will run with. The cards run really cool and are quiet, plus faster than stock and factory overclocked 980s. For most people its simple choice. if anyone ever could justify the 980 at $550 then there is no problem justifying the new more powerful Fury for the same.

I wasn't referring to your own case btw.

 

[tential]

Biggest problems with the Fury X for AMD could only be volume and margins at this point. Its selling. That's all that matters.

There are definitely things about it attracting buyers.

And Fury is as solid a buy as the 980 was when it launched. If that was "worth" $550 then Fury is.

Fury X doesn't have good volume.
We can't tell how well it is selling. They could have so few stock and it's a couple of buyers at a time.

Without knowing the sales numbers, you can't say how well it is selling at all, so don't try to pretend like because people have bought it it is selling well.

"And Fury is as solid a buy as the 980 was when it launched. If that was "worth" $550 then Fury is."

And please, the direct comparison to nvidia is extremely desperate. It shows that because you don't have a solid case for the Fury, you're basically saying "Waaah, the GTX 980 sold at this price so the Fury can too. I don't have any real reason for the Fury being priced this way, but because nvidia always is able to get away with things, you should buy the Fury too because it's "Worth it!!!!!""

It's just not befitting of a technical discussion forum, if you would like to make a case for Fury, please, provide some performance numbers, graphs, etc. That's what this forum is for. If you're going to take a potshot at a card most people already said was not worth the price(GTX 980), then just stop posting because it's boring.

Getting a 290x instead of a GTX 980 was what we recommended for a REASON. The extra price premium to get the GTX 980 did not net you anything extra. It wasn't a significant performance jump, and no extra games are now all of a sudden playable at a certain resolution.

The Fury is in the same situation. The price premium does not net you any noticable performance increase. No resolution or game becomes playable, both will be the same experience. So you SAVE your money and get the GTX 980 (nvidia? Save? It's a new day....).
----------------------------------------

Back to the subject of the Fury X, for AMD fans who loved to talk about performance per dollar, are we suddenly going to ignore the performance per dollar of this card?

I mean this is a joke. Fury X at the bottom?

In the famous words of many AMD fans "You didn't care about performance per watt before but now you do when Maxwell has the advantage."
Well where was all of that performance per dollar we heard so much about when the 290x/290 was a great choice? Now we just forgot about that right with the Fury X?

And, now you care about things like acoustics so much that a 5dB difference means I should sacrifice a TON of performance?

I should lose 24% performance for a $30 dollar difference in price?(not including shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127889

So no, I can NOT in good conscious even recommend a Fury X to someone when cards like the GTX 980 TI AIB cards are out there.

Now look back at the performance per dollar chart. I would like to remind you now, that you probably have 300 mhz left to OC your GTX 980 Ti. Once you factor that in, the GTX 980 Ti is a PERFORMANCE PER DOLLAR HIGH END PART.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Gaming/33.html
"Actual 3D performance gained from overclocking is 8.7%."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/34.html
Actual 3D performance gained from overclocking is 5.1%.

Factor in this and you are getting even MORE performance with your GTX 980Ti than that already 24% advantage over the Fury X.
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Have to hand it to the R9 390. I almost got a little carried away and tried to take a shot at the performance per dollar king. Saw the numbers, had to dial it back a bit lol. You don't take a shot at the king after all unless you come prepared.

 

[railven]

I had zero issues buying a slower Radeon when it cost a proportional amount cheaper (HD 5870 vs GTX 480). And I had no issue buying a more expensive Radeon when it was faster (HD 7970 vs GTX 580).

Hell, I was so use to paying $500+ for my GPU (9700, 9800, X850, etc etc) that when HD 4870 came out at $300 I bought two (my first trip down CFX) and then I bought a HD 4870X2 just because.

When Radeon cost more than GeForce and had equal perf but worse other metric. Well GeForce one.

Rinse repeat for this second round.

I understand AMD is trying to crawl out of the hole their CPU division dug them into. But something tells me jacking up the price and trying to face Nvidia 1:1 is not the answer. Oh well, see how it works out for them next profits reporting/market share reporting.

 

[Azix]

There is no good reason for them to sell a more advanced GPU that performs better at stock and OC, for less or the same. I don't like high prices either but I see people not being fair here. Oh they did try for the same, but nvidia realized it was faster and dropped their prices

when the 980 starts losing to the 390 later AMD would have been stupid.

The Fury X has a bigger issue with the 980ti overclocking but we'll have to see how that plays out. As long as its selling I see no problem on AMDs end.

 

[railven]

There is no good reason for them to sell a more advanced GPU that performs better at stock and OC, for less or the same. I don't like high prices either but I see people not being fair here. Oh they did try for the same, but nvidia realized it was faster and dropped their prices

when the 980 starts losing to the 390 later AMD would have been stupid.

The Fury X has a bigger issue with the 980ti overclocking but we'll have to see how that plays out. As long as its selling I see no problem on AMDs end.

The problem with this is initial demand. To user another example, MSFT Xbone was selling out during it's supply constraint. They sold every unit possible even besting Sony during holiday sales, and everyone used that as assurance that Xbone would do fine sales wise.

Once initial demand was met and supply jumped, suddenly the units were sitting on shelves. I predict the same thing for Fury/Fury X.

The contents of the package only really matter to us geeks and nerds. The majority of buyers won't really look at that, just price tag and whatever review site they like (or just forum input from their trust forum friends).

The 300 series is in a far better position than the Fury's do to price and their performance. But again, this is not reassuring to the average joe:

And then when looking at this chart, someone buyers may just opt to go for 980 Ti with it's free game:

With the 390X/980 nipping so close to the Fury. IF Furys perform much better at DX12 games, and these charts flip upside down, by then people would have already bought something and chances are they are not going to drop that to re-buy.

 

[tential]

The thing is railven, I HATE using GTX 980Ti reference numbers when we're talking about actual real cards people are purchasing. It's fair to use AIB GTX 980Ti numbers. The Fury X IS the Reference design yes, boo hoo, that's AMD's fault for not allowing the card to have non reference coolers. If we compared GTX 980 TI AIB cards to Titan X, I'm not going to cry that the Titan X doesn't have a better cooler. It's stuck with what it's got.

The MSI GTX 980Ti, or ANY GTX 980Ti you want to use, go ahead and make a case for it. It's SO easy given the fact the AIB cards are what, $10-20 extra? I understand not comparing a $750 cherrypicked GTX 980Ti. But a $670 REAL card that we're all going to purchase over reference designs (except for those who desperately want those for some reason), is perfectly fair game to me.

The truth is simple, at the highend, the GTX 980Ti reigns supreme as the choice to get. I don't know how that is remotely refutable given cards like the MSI GTX980Ti, or ANY AIB card that's cheap (I don't know why you wouldn't go with the MSI GTX 980Ti given techpowerup's review but I'm sure someone here can find a better price/performance/fan noise ratio.).

The whole "lets compare reference GTX 980Ti's to Fury X because we need to be as far as possible" is crazy. It's an enthusiast forum, lets talk about the cards we actually care about, we weren't talking about 290x reference designs, lets move past the cards that a small minority cares about and move towards the cards that really matter. AIB GTX 980Tis vs Fury X. And Fury X falls apart heavily under that kind of scrutiny. That extra $30 dollars you spend after $650 is worth every penny.

I honestly wasn't impressed when the GTX 980Ti launched. I thought a watercooled OC'd Fury X would put it to shame at 4K. The GTX 980Ti though has shown that it is the high end card to own. Ya, if you like AMD, or just want a CLC cooled Fury X, go ahead and get it. But for the best card out? It's the GTX 980Ti, and I'd feel bad for any person to get advice from a person they deem to be an "Expert" say otherwise.

Edit: The only reason we have to INSIST we don't compare a $650 Fury X to a $680 AIB GTX 980Ti is because the Fury X gets demolished by it. Otherwise, if we're only comparing reference cards, lets please go back and rewrite history and call the R9 290/R9 290x extremely hot and nonviable cards. Sorry R9 390x/390, you can't hide, we know what you are really.

You can't have it both ways, anyway, I know you won't admit it, but anyone reading this conversation/lurking should clearly see the value you get in getting a GTX 980Ti and spending and extra TWENTY TO THIRTY dollars can get you.

 

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went and checked benches to see where things stand. Seems the fury x is about the same as a 980 ti at stock (1440p up).

I guess the advantage really comes down to the cards with factory OCs etc. I had thought the performance difference was stock vs stock.

I do think stock performance matters more and because the 980ti has so many factory OC models with higher stock clocks, it's currently a better value with a simple assessment.

For sales I think the 980ti gets a lot more PR. There are so many models and sites just keep reviewing them. The fury x being only reference means on review, then off the front page. Same with Fury with 2 cards