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I have a simple question for you all

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Matrix1994

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How effective do you feel our judicial and penal systems are in punishing and rehabilitation criminals?

To be honest, I don?t know anything about the judicial and penal systems but I

tell you what I think. First, I think they are way too behind with punishing, in fact there?s

a lot of people in death row, but there yet, and we are wasting our tax moneys on them

for foods, clothes, etc. It is better off we push it little faster. Also I think is that being on

death row cost lot more money than being on for life sentence. I know it doesn?t make

sense. Reason why being on death row cost more money because of trails, appeals, etc.

Next, Criminals are bad because a lot of reasons such as they rob some people?s family

stuff. The police captured them and put them at jail so people are happy now. Criminals

went to see the judge and the judge set them all free. No justice in system and doesn?t

work. In my opinion, the system is an eye for an eye, you kill someone you get killed

back. Pure and simple. It is a radical thing, but I know if someone in my family was

killed, I?d want the murderer dead, and not to be let out in a few years.
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Because of the mentioned "mistakes" with killing truly "innocents" on death row (DNA analysis has provn the innocence of many that were put to death many years after the State/Feds have killed the innocent) there is now a push to abolidh the Death Penalty again.

That should not happen with the Modern DNA science we have now. If it is absolutely clear that the person is in fact truly the Murderer beyond any doubt then they should be put to death and not suckling on the taxpayers.

It is simple but Bueacracy makes it complicated on purpose. People on both sides profit from it.
 
Yes I agree it could be faster, but not rushed, to many have been released after DNA was used. I really wish that all states would do what only a few currently do. Use all of the inmates as worker. Bring back the chain gangs. Have the cut the grass along the highways, pick up trash thoughout the state that they are in. We could use them for alot of good but choose to let them sit and take it easy.

Just think, we could have them clean up our citys and make them a better place. Let large construction companies that are rebuilding government houseing for the poor use them for labor.
 
Originally posted by: Matrix1994
How effective do you feel our judicial and penal systems are in punishing and rehabilitation criminals?

To be honest, I don?t know anything about the judicial and penal systems but I

tell you what I think. First, I think they are way too behind with punishing, in fact there?s

a lot of people in death row, but there yet, and we are wasting our tax moneys on them

for foods, clothes, etc. It is better off we push it little faster. Also I think is that being on

death row cost lot more money than being on for life sentence. I know it doesn?t make

sense. Reason why being on death row cost more money because of trails, appeals, etc.

Next, Criminals are bad because a lot of reasons such as they rob some people?s family

stuff. The police captured them and put them at jail so people are happy now. Criminals

went to see the judge and the judge set them all free. No justice in system and doesn?t

work. In my opinion, the system is an eye for an eye, you kill someone you get killed

back. Pure and simple. It is a radical thing, but I know if someone in my family was

killed, I?d want the murderer dead, and not to be let out in a few years.
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Coles notes:
"I don't know anything"
kill death row people faster
"criminals are bad"


-more appeals on death row...no kidding, you mean people dont want to die and when dead, you cannot undo a wrongful conviction...smart guy...
-eye for an eye rarely works...most crimes (over 50%) are drug related. So if you are convicted for selling drugs, your punishment should be buying drugs?...hehe
-the key flaw in your statement is you assume that ALL people on death row are in fact murderers. That is your flaw and others who support the death penalty.
 
Originally posted by: Grunt03
Yes I agree it could be faster, but not rushed, to many have been released after DNA was used. I really wish that all states would do what only a few currently do. Use all of the inmates as worker. Bring back the chain gangs. Have the cut the grass along the highways, pick up trash thoughout the state that they are in. We could use them for alot of good but choose to let them sit and take it easy.

Just think, we could have them clean up our citys and make them a better place. Let large construction companies that are rebuilding government houseing for the poor use them for labor.
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But the libs consider this cruel & inhumane (degrading) punishment.

 
How can you make a statement like "Many people on death row are innocent"?

Define many! How much is many? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 100? 1 in 10?

Do you have some statistic to back it up, or do you just pull numbers out of the air?

Does someone have a death penalty site or info organization that has this data?

Every criminal just about says they are innocent. I cant think of Jail as a place I would like to live, much less being executed.
 
Usually its someone who is not very intelligent and gets the finger pointed at them. All you need is a few witness and you're guilty! The accuser believes so because he looks like a criminal, even thought their is no proof or any evidence to back it up. The real crook who committed this heinous crime is more likely to point fingers at someone else, how can you tell? you can't. only god will know and justice is never served cause our criminal system prospers through lies and black mailing. The victim is often poor and have no money to buy him or herself out of it.
There is no right or wrong, their is only money and money is power who those who takes advantage of it.
Take OJ Simpson for Ex. He got away cause he was rich! even thought everyone knows he was quility.
For anyone else, life in prison or on death roll. Lifes not fair.


 
Originally posted by: piasabird
How can you make a statement like "Many people on death row are innocent"?

Define many! How much is many? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 100? 1 in 10?

Do you have some statistic to back it up, or do you just pull numbers out of the air?

Does someone have a death penalty site or info organization that has this data?

Every criminal just about says they are innocent. I cant think of Jail as a place I would like to live, much less being executed.
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Well you could esimate it based on overturned conviction rates. (or proven executions of innocents)

I expect you'd find more than 1/100, but less than 1/10.
 
The death penalty is an effective deterrent for murderers, 100% of those who are executed are deterred from comitting any further crimes.
 
I think we're too focused on punishment and not enough on rehabilitation. how else could you explain the death penalty and such harsh penalties for simple drug violations, like possetion of pot?

steep sentances are not a deterrent. when you're about to kill someone, I don't think the consequences of your actions are at the forefront of your mind.
 
Originally posted by: OFFascist
The death penalty is an effective deterrent for murderers, 100% of those who are executed are deterred from comitting any further crimes.
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But sadly, less than 100% of them committed a crime in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
I think we're too focused on punishment and not enough on rehabilitation. how else could you explain the death penalty and such harsh penalties for simple drug violations, like possetion of pot?

steep sentances are not a deterrent. when you're about to kill someone, I don't think the consequences of your actions are at the forefront of your mind.
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Drugs should be legal.

IMO too many things now at days are illegal.

We need to get rid of a whole bunch of laws.

However things like murder and rape will always be illegal.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
But sadly, less than 100% of them committed a crime in the first place.
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Sucks for them.

You only need to convince one person on a 12 person jury that either you did not commit the crime, or at the least you dont deserve to die for comitting the crime.
 
also FWIW I dont think all murders should get the death penalty, there are certainly situations where murder could be justified, or atleast have a good excuse for doing it.

However repeat offenders or people with long violent criminal pasts should get the death penalty.
 
Originally posted by: OFFascist
The death penalty is an effective deterrent for murderers, 100% of those who are executed are deterred from comitting any further crimes.
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Even those who are innocent. It's a very complex subject. But the knee jerk reaction is always refreshing.

Facts about Deterrence and the Death Penalty

New Claims About Executions and General Deterence: Deja Vu All Over Again?

Skip to the conclusions on page 22.


There is also the problem of human error which, being human, we are prone to commit. DNA testing has been a catalyst for the condemned claiming innocence and has led to overturned convictions and escape from execution. I wonder how many innocent people were executed before science deciphered DNA?


 
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