I have a real problem with a G.W. Bush quote.

[Tominator]

I did not say that. I was pointing out that you were comparing the Bush and US policy and your comment with Microsoft and it's dealings.

Why did you word the title of you as you did? I know of no politician that has not made a similar speech. Why have you singled out Bush and then inferred the US is fanatical and uses fear and murder for it's own ends?

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Tominator
So I guess you blame the US and it's policies for 9/11 as well.:|

If we didn't feel the need to control every other freaking country in the world, no, I don't think 9/11 would have happened.

Ahhh... I love the smell of flamebait in the morning....


Lethal

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Tominator
I did not say that. I was pointing out that you were comparing the Bush and US policy and your comment with Microsoft and it's dealings.

Why did you word the title of you as you did? I know of no politician that has not made a similar speech. Why have you singled out Bush and then inferred the US is fanatical and uses fear and murder for it's own ends?

Maybe because I have never studied politicians and don't know who said what. I worded it the way I did because it is a blatant hypocritcal comment on his part. The U.S. seeks to impose their will through fear and murder. Period.

And I was not comparing the Bush and U.S. policies to the workings of Microsoft. I was using an analogy to refute your belief that unless you can come up with a better solution, you shouldnt comment on an issue.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Beast1284<brWhether it's justified or not, it's still hypocritical.

you say that like its a bad thing



hmmmm....

hypocritical

Characterized by hypocrisy: hypocritical praise.
Being a hypocrite: a hypocritical rogue

hypocrisy

The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.

so i guess we are trying to trick everybody by saying one thing and doing something else?

i think we are looking out for our self-interest, by what ever means needed, including PR crap

 

[Tominator]

The U.S. seeks to impose their will through fear and murder.

I realise that you've been indoctrinated by a Liberal controlled Public Education System that thinks the US was settled by a bunch of Evil White Guys, but please! Specific instances where murder and fear are used. Not fear of economic retribution, but real FEAR! You know, like terrorism. Subjugation using weapons to wipe out whole populations without provacation or genocide. Enslaving a free people would qualify.

 

[Pastore]

Enslaving a free people would qualify.

And the white Elitist settlers from which a lot of us came didn't do that to blacks?

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Enslaving a free people would qualify.

And the white settlers didn't do that to blacks?

So you need to go back 150 years or more huh? So you really believe the US was settled by a bunch of Evil White Guys?

Slavery is a shamefull part of nearly every country of note btw.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Enslaving a free people would qualify.

And the white settlers didn't do that to blacks?

So you need to go back 150 years or more huh? So you really believe the US was settled by a bunch of Evil White Guys?

Slavery is a shamefull part of nearly every country of note btw.

Your going back 60 years, I don't see the difference. Slavery is a shamefull part of most histories, sounds to me like your trying to justify it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Why would we have a military if we didn't intend to impose our will with force. The murder and fear part are maybe a bit problematical. It's not really our fault if people are afraid to die. Also we have the notion of justifiable war. Murder may not always be what we are about.

Among the important question, then, it would seem to me are these. Does a country have a right to impose it's will on another country? Is so. when? Is any one instance of the imposition of will a good thing or a bad thing? If you have the capacity to impose your will, how do you act with others. Do you negotiate with that implication, or as equals. Are there other ways that amount to the same thing a imposing your will, i.e. proving to have a better way? How do you prevent power from corrupting in view of the fact that it is rumored always to have that effect? How do you keep open questioning ones motives in the face of the inevitable impulse to accept the authority of ones country as infallible?

 

[Tominator]

Moonbeam, such are the questions Bush and the leadership of this country must answer every day.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Tominator
The origional intent of this thread was to equate the US with fanatics and the inference is plain to see. Combine that with the fact that Romania has for much of it's history been affected by both the individuals mentioned makes Bush's statement extremely relavent to those he was speaking to.

Czar, as usual, has nothing to say when anything positive about the US is brought up.

No, the intent was to shine light on the hypocrisy of our nation as a whole, as represented from our President.

Every person and every country now or in the past is hypocritic to some extent. That is nothing new. Complain all you want, but please be prepared to offer a solution that is workable. You complain, but no solution is forthcoming.

So do you think a person shouldn't bash Microsoft if they are unable to code a better Operating System?

No, but if you're going to bash Microsoft, you had better not have a MS OS on your hard disk when you do so, or your complaint has no foundation to stand on.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Tominator
The origional intent of this thread was to equate the US with fanatics and the inference is plain to see. Combine that with the fact that Romania has for much of it's history been affected by both the individuals mentioned makes Bush's statement extremely relavent to those he was speaking to.

Czar, as usual, has nothing to say when anything positive about the US is brought up.

No, the intent was to shine light on the hypocrisy of our nation as a whole, as represented from our President.

Every person and every country now or in the past is hypocritic to some extent. That is nothing new. Complain all you want, but please be prepared to offer a solution that is workable. You complain, but no solution is forthcoming.

So do you think a person shouldn't bash Microsoft if they are unable to code a better Operating System?

No, but if you're going to bash Microsoft, you had better not have a MS OS on your hard disk when you do so, or your complaint has no foundation to stand on.

So you're saying I can't bash a Bush quote because I am a citizen of the U.S.? hehe

 

[etech]

No Beast, you are free to take a quote out of the context of which it was said. in complete ignorance of the people or the country to which it was addressed and try to bash the President and the country with it.

And we have the right to point out your ingnorance.

Ain't the US a grand place!

 

[SuperTool]

Bush is only trying to sound Reaganesque in his speeches.
Maybe they should rebuild the Berlin wall so he can say "tear down this wall" and be done with it.
Cold war is over, get over it.