I have a real problem with a G.W. Bush quote.
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If we didn't feel the need to control every other freaking country in the world, no, I don't think 9/11 would have happened.
Trade leads to interdependency. Get used to it. The US is the largest trading partner any country in the world can have Our interest are worldwide and the need to protect them is necessary.
The US has never spawed a Hitler or Stalin like Europe has and our conquests are economic and usually in the interest of both countries.
Most of the industralized world owes a large part of it's economic success to trade with the US. Prosperity is the best defense from any human malady be it from war to famine.
Besides, you could not find a president, now or in the future, that would not say the exact thing you decry Bush for.
The US has never spawed a Hitler or Stalin like Europe has and our conquests are economic and usually in the interest of both countries.
Most of the industralized world owes a large part of it's economic success to trade with the US. Prosperity is the best defense from any human malady be it from war to famine.
Besides, you could not find a president, now or in the future, that would not say the exact thing you decry Bush for.
so what do you think we should be doing?
staying home/isolationist policies?
check the stuff you bought from wal-mart, most of it is made in china, virtually all of it, except the food is made outside of the United States
if we don't project power outside the US, we won't be able to defend ourselves from our enemies
i don't have a problem with self-defense and the best defense is a good offense
staying home/isolationist policies?
check the stuff you bought from wal-mart, most of it is made in china, virtually all of it, except the food is made outside of the United States
if we don't project power outside the US, we won't be able to defend ourselves from our enemies
i don't have a problem with self-defense and the best defense is a good offense
I just don't think him saying that was apporpriate. The point is, we put fear in the eyes of our foes, why else would we be called the most powerful nation in the world. Whether it's justified or not, it's still hypocritical.
The origional intent of this thread was to equate the US with fanatics and the inference is plain to see. Combine that with the fact that Romania has for much of it's history been affected by both the individuals mentioned makes Bush's statement extremely relavent to those he was speaking to.
Czar, as usual, has nothing to say when anything positive about the US is brought up.
Czar, as usual, has nothing to say when anything positive about the US is brought up.
No, the intent was to shine light on the hypocrisy of our nation as a whole, as represented by our President.
Every person and every country now or in the past is hypocritic to some extent. That is nothing new. Complain all you want, but please be prepared to offer a solution that is workable. You complain, but no solution is forthcoming.
So do you think a person shouldn't bash Microsoft if they are unable to code a better Operating System?
Yup we have military in alot of countries. However most countries only get a few marines to help guard the embassy.
Europe did not compain when we used our military to keep the soviets outs.
South Korea does not complain that we keep the North Korea out.
Saudi does not complain that we keep Iraq in check.
Japan does not complain about our forces being there.
......
Pres. Bush was addressing the Romanians. Godwin's Law law does not apply in this case since people are still alive that lost family members to his invasion.
Romanian History
World War II was an unmitigated disaster for Romania! Leading up to the war, the country was torn between indigenous fascists, nationalists, communists, royalists and liberals.The great historian and politician Nicolae Iorga was assassinated by the Iron Guard and the government was torn whether to ally with Hitler to the west or Stalin to the east. Just before the war, Hitler and Stalin collaborated to reshape Romania to the benefit of Fascist Hungary and the Soviet Union. When war broke out Romanian troops joined the Wehrmacht in attacking the Stalinist Soviet Union.
King Michael moved Romania to the Allied sides near the end of the war as Soviet armies approached. Stalin annexed Bessarabia again and grabbed a large area in Romania's north, Bucovina, so the Soviets could have a direct tank route to Hungary. Romania also lost hundreds of thousands or dead, and her freedom.
The Communists took power in late 1944. They imposed collectivization on the farmers and industrialization on the cities. Millions were displaced. After 45-years of communist dictatorship the country was near collapse. Romanians rose up in violent revolution at Christmas 1989 and overthrew the communists and executed the dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu.
That is a very appropriate quote to people that truly suffered under Hitler and Stalin. Your attempt to compare the US to those regimes is rather sad and pathetic and an insult to our armed forces that fought against them and helped free the people that Bush was speaking to.
Romanian History
World War II was an unmitigated disaster for Romania! Leading up to the war, the country was torn between indigenous fascists, nationalists, communists, royalists and liberals.The great historian and politician Nicolae Iorga was assassinated by the Iron Guard and the government was torn whether to ally with Hitler to the west or Stalin to the east. Just before the war, Hitler and Stalin collaborated to reshape Romania to the benefit of Fascist Hungary and the Soviet Union. When war broke out Romanian troops joined the Wehrmacht in attacking the Stalinist Soviet Union.
King Michael moved Romania to the Allied sides near the end of the war as Soviet armies approached. Stalin annexed Bessarabia again and grabbed a large area in Romania's north, Bucovina, so the Soviets could have a direct tank route to Hungary. Romania also lost hundreds of thousands or dead, and her freedom.
The Communists took power in late 1944. They imposed collectivization on the farmers and industrialization on the cities. Millions were displaced. After 45-years of communist dictatorship the country was near collapse. Romanians rose up in violent revolution at Christmas 1989 and overthrew the communists and executed the dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu.
That is a very appropriate quote to people that truly suffered under Hitler and Stalin. Your attempt to compare the US to those regimes is rather sad and pathetic and an insult to our armed forces that fought against them and helped free the people that Bush was speaking to.
Microsft has only worked to better their interest and as long as they stay within the law I have no problem with them or any other company.
You are equivocating in order to bash the President and the US.
Do we take this down to the inevitible conclusion? Have you ever in your life done anything you regret or were wrong for doing? If so, and I take it you are just as human as the rest of us, then how can you say anything about what someone else says or does?
Anyone can bash and spew hot air, but if they can't offer a better solution, it will remain what it is, a bunch of worthless ramblings that doesn't help matters.
I don't know anything about Romanian history, and frankly I could have left that part out of the quote, because it has nothing to do with my point. Bush might as well have been saying that to the U.S. It still means the same thing.
Holy christ. First of all I vote Republican, and secondly, if no one had a right to have an opinion on something someone else said, we would be a very boring people. The only ones who would have a right to an opinion would be the big swinging dicks like CEOs, Presidents, and other people of importance.
But yeah, you're right. No one should be allowed to comment on a subject unless they have a better solution. Whatever.
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