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StormRider

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Kinda neat....

The article seemed kind of fake with talks about the "missing 4th passive circuit element" because I had never heard of any missing element during my early years of study. But the article seems real and the potential applications for this new device seem really exciting!


Memristor


Edit to include "Memristor" in the title.
 

StormRider

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I know what you mean. It seems like an April Fools type of joke when I first saw the article.
 

uclaLabrat

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It's for real. Pretty cool, but I was at the first talk where he (Williams) first publicly disclosed his discoveries (last september at the 2007 Seaborg Symposium). It's interesting stuff, but way the hell over my head.
 

Special K

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I have read several articles claiming that this is the fourth passive circuit element, with the resistor, capacitor, and inductor being the first 3. The articles then go on to claim that every introductory EE textbook will need to be rewritten in the very near future to incorporate this new fourth passive circuit element into the standard material covered in an introductory course.

This looks interesting, but already talking about rewriting all textbooks seems to be jumping the gun a bit. Time will tell if these devices ever become as widespread as R, L and C.

I also agree that these articles look suspicious, and I had to check to make sure they weren't dated 4/1/08 when I first saw them.

Also OP, could you please edit your title to make it more descriptive? Including the word 'memristor' would be a good start.
 

digiram

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They can also be fashioned into non-volatile solid-state memory, which would allow greater data density than hard drives with access times similar to DRAM, replacing both components

:shocked:
 

Casawi

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MS in EE means you should know it all? Same here ... and never of that.
 

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http://www.sciam.com/article.c...ng-link-of-electronics

You may dimly recall circuit diagrams from your middle school science class; those little boxes with a battery on one end and a lightbulb on the other. Ring any bells? To an electrical engineer, the battery is a capacitor?a device for storing electric charge?and the lightbulb is a resistor?an obstacle to electric current. Until now, engineers have had only one other basic element to work with?the inductor, which turns current into a magnetic field.

In 1971 researcher Leon Chua of the University of California, Berkeley, noticed a gap in that list. Circuit elements express relationships between pairs of the four electromagnetic quantities of charge, current, voltage and magnetic flux. Missing was a link between charge and flux. Chua dubbed this missing link the memristor and created a crude example to demonstrate its key property: it becomes more or less resistive (less or more conductive) depending on the amount of charge that had flowed through it.

Physicist Stanley Williams of HP Labs says that after a colleague brought Chua's work to his attention, he saw that it would explain a variety of odd behaviors in electronic devices that his group and other nanotech researchers had built over the years. His "brain jolt" came, he says, when he realized that "to make a pure memristor you have to build it so as to isolate this memory function."

So he and his colleagues inserted a layer of titanium dioxide (TiO2) as thin as three nanometers between a pair of platinum layers [see image above]. Part of the TiO2 layer contained a sprinkling of positively charged divots (vacancies) where oxygen atoms would have normally been. They applied an alternating current to the electrode closer to these divots, causing it to swing between a positive and negative charge.

When positively charged, the electrode pushed the charged vacancies and spread them throughout the TiO2, boosting the current flowing to the second electrode. When the voltage reversed, it slashed the current a million-fold, the group reports. When the researchers turned the current off, the vacancies stopped moving, which left the memristor in either its high- or low-resistant state. "Our physics model tells us that the memristive state should last for years," Williams says.

Chua says he didn't expect anyone to make a memristor in his lifetime. "It's amazing," he says. "I had just completely forgotten it." He says the HP memristor has an advantage over other potential nonvolatile memory technologies because the basic manufacturing tools are already in place.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: Casawi
MS in EE means you should know it all? Same here ... and never of that.

Well, the article makes it seem like there was this missing holy grail of a circuit element and I had never heard of such a thing which made me think it was a joke at first.
 

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Kinda neat....

The article seemed kind of fake with talks about the "missing 4th passive circuit element" because I had never heard of any missing element during my early years of study. But the article seems real and the potential applications for this new device seem really exciting!


Memristor


Edit to include "Memristor" in the title.

I have but not in a long long time.
It was one of those things that was discovered and sounded neat but there really wasn't a use for it at the time.

I had a professor that loved to talk about stuff like this.
To give you an idea how long ago this was for me, the professor discussed how nearly impossible it was to construct a 1 farad capacitor.
 

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If you have access to IEEE, you can find the original paper. Chua describes the original theoretical basis for describing a memristor, which is kind of interesting.
 

NoShangriLa

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Maintaining Moore's law with new memristor circuits

Conventional electronic circuits have ever increasing problems with heat and leakage at smaller sizes, but memristance is proportional to the inverse of the square of the film thickness, so smaller films mean a stronger memristance effect.

HP: memristor memory chips

It seems like the beginning of the birth of memory chips based on memristors.

This trick could lead to more efficient memories - denser, more energy efficient, and persistent after you turn off your PC! - and HP claims that the physical issues have been solved and now it is all about engineering. Engineers should draw and produce better circuits.
 

frostedflakes

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You learn something new every day. Pretty interesting, I hadn't heard of this before either (and I'm working toward a BS in EE). :)
 

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It wasn't possible to build before. You have to major in physics to learn about things you can't create. :p
 

Train

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I wouldnt say it's not getting enough media. The NYT's had an article on it the other day. Depending on what news headlines you keep up with ( I have a pretty tech heavy google home page) I have been seeing a TON of articles on this throughout the week.

While they always say it will "revolutoinize" the computer industry, remember we've seen a lot of promises like this before, some make it to market a lot less fruitful than thought, others never make it at all. Remember the holographic storage that was supposed to give us 5TB, super fast, super cheap, drives? Well I remember reading in 2000 that by 2005, they would be the norm. I have yet to see a commercial holographic storage device.

Though I have to admit this looks a lot more promising, HP is the main player behind it, and commercial uses look to be pretty close. While I dont think it will reach its full potential for quite some time, powerless memory seems to be a short term gain using this tech.
 

91TTZ

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Every time something new comes out, it's lauded as the "next big thing", an "amazing discovery", blah blah blah.

Most of the time nothing comes of it.
 

NoShangriLa

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Originally posted by: Train
I wouldnt say it's not getting enough media. The NYT's had an article on it the other day. Depending on what news headlines you keep up with ( I have a pretty tech heavy google home page) I have been seeing a TON of articles on this throughout the week.

While they always say it will "revolutoinize" the computer industry, remember we've seen a lot of promises like this before, some make it to market a lot less fruitful than thought, others never make it at all. Remember the holographic storage that was supposed to give us 5TB, super fast, super cheap, drives? Well I remember reading in 2000 that by 2005, they would be the norm. I have yet to see a commercial holographic storage device.

Though I have to admit this looks a lot more promising, HP is the main player behind it, and commercial uses look to be pretty close. While I dont think it will reach its full potential for quite some time, powerless memory seems to be a short term gain using this tech.
It might be the real thing in a few years because some of the articles mentioned that the ground work for memristor is already being use in today electronics.

Holographic storage ships next month -- ZDNet: April 18th, 2008
Retail pricing
It is that value that justifies a price - $18,000 - that will keep most of us from buying ourselves an early Xmas gift. The quantity 1 media price of $180 for 300 GB looks expensive to us, but quite reasonable compared with the cost of 35mm film stock and long-term storage.