I Have A Dream

[evident]

F displayport. just when all my hardware is using HDMI they have to relase another GD standard?!

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

where are some good reviews?

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-mo...96.html?tag=txt%3bpage

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

where are some good reviews?

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-mo...96.html?tag=txt%3bpage

thanks. that wasnt a very in depth review like I was hoping for though.

 

[AmdInside]

You will need a new graphics card for this. Dual link doesn't have enough bandwidth to support 1920x1200 at 120Hz.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: AmdInside
You will need a new graphics card for this. Dual link doesn't have enough bandwidth to support 1920x1200 at 120Hz.

are you sure about that?

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Digital
Minimum clock frequency: 25.175 MHz
Maximum clock frequency in single link mode: Capped at 165 MHz (up to 3.96 Gbit/s)
Maximum clock frequency in dual link mode: Limited only by cable quality (up to 7.92 Gbit/s)
Pixels per clock cycle: 1 (single link) or 2 (dual link)
Bits per pixel: 24 (single and dual link) or 48 (dual link only)
Example display modes (single link):
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)
WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)
SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
WXGA+ (1440 x 900) @ 60 Hz (107 MHz)
WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 17 Hz (164 MHz)
Example display modes (dual link):
QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 75 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 170 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 126 MHz)
WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 174 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135 MHz) (30-inch (762 mm) Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, NEC, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)
WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 33 Hz with GTF blanking (2 × 159 MHz)
GTF (Generalized Timing Formula) is a VESA standard which can easily be calculated with the Linux gtf utility.

CVT-RB (Coordinated Video Timing-Reduced Blanking) is a VESA standard which offers reduced horizontal and vertical blanking for non-CRT based displays.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

He seems to be correct. Although you could use multiple cables.

WQUXGA
WQUXGA (Wide Quad Ultra Extended Graphics Array) describes a display standard that can support a resolution up to 3840 x 2400 pixels, assuming a 16:10 aspect ratio.

This resolution is exactly four times 1920x1200 (in pixels) and was released as a product in June 2001 by an IBM display panel built into the IBM T220 LCD monitor, IBM T221 (models DG1, DG3, DG4, DG5), Iiyama AQU5611DTBK, ViewSonic VP2290b [1], ADTX MD22292B and IDTech MD22292 (models B0, B1, B2, B5, C0, C2; all other brands are in fact relabeled IDTech models, IDTech does not sell these monitors[2]). Most display cards with a DVI connector are capable of supporting the 3840x2400 resolution. However, the maximum refresh rate will be limited by the number of DVI links that are connected to the monitor. 1, 2, or 4 DVI connectors are used to drive the monitor using various tile configurations. Only the IBM T221-DG5 and IDTech MD22292B5 support the use of dual-link DVI ports using an external converter box.

Most systems using these monitors use at least 2 DVI connectors to send video to the monitor. These DVI connectors can be from the same graphics card, different graphics cards, or even different computers. Motion across the tile boundary(ies) can show tearing if the graphics card(s) are not synchronized. The display panel can be updated at a speed between 0Hz and 41Hz (48Hz for the IBM T221-DG5, and IDTech MD22292B5). The refresh rate of the video signal can be higher than 41Hz, or 48Hz, but the monitor will not update the display any faster if graphics card(s) do so.

As of January 2007 none of the WQUXGA monitors (IBM, ViewSonic, Iiyama, ADTX) are in production anymore. The highest-resolution color displays on sale are WQXGA. However, Eyevis produce a 56" LCD named EYELCD 56 QUAD HD which can deliver 3840x2160[1].

Toshiba will be producing a new WQUXGA 22 inch monitor in the second quarter of 2008. [3]

 

[SonicIce]

I made that color coded DVI connector pic on wikipedia if anyone wants to know . it used to be png someone converted it to svg

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

He seems to be correct. Although you could use multiple cables.

[/quote]

Those modes are just examples. 1920x1200@120Hz is only 6.7Gbps, well below the max bandwidth for dual link DVI. However I don't know if any possible timings would support that resolution.

 

[cbn]

I wonder how good that Nvidia 3D vision works? Apparently it reduces Frame-rates but a 3rd card in SLI can't be used with it.

The big question then remains what is better? Playing less graphically demanding games in 3D or games like Crysis without 3D? Then I wonder if 3D would "wake-up" RTS games like Medieval Total war II?

$199 for the kit (plus $399 for this 120 Hz monitor)

 

[Winterpool]

At first, from the title, I thought this might be a less than serious thread, but it's raised some intriguing thoughts. I have less faith now than when the Dell 2209WA excitement began that we're actually going to see larger e-IPS displays soon, and I expect they will be 1920x1080 (see the LG 23-inch e-IPS demonstration at CES), helas...

I have been looking at HDTVs recently and been concerned about the 3:2 pulldown judder issue and reading about the role 120 Hz can play in nullifying this problem (120 is perfectly divisible by 24). If I got a larger IPS display, I'd almost certainly use it eventually for Blu-ray cinema content, in which case 3:2 pulldown might become a real concern.

Has anyone actually noticed judder on their computer screens? I should think it would be less obvious on smaller displays. I also wonder if video card processing makes any difference here. I do notice many 'ripped' MPEG4 files (whether H264, XviD, etc) claim to be 24 fps content.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

As nice as the 2209WA is, its pixel pitch is too large.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

where are some good reviews?

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-mo...96.html?tag=txt%3bpage

thanks. that wasnt a very in depth review like I was hoping for though.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/m.../samsung-sm2233rz.html

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

where are some good reviews?

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-mo...96.html?tag=txt%3bpage

thanks. that wasnt a very in depth review like I was hoping for though.

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/m.../samsung-sm2233rz.html

yep that one was much better. thanks

 

[Chriz]

I really don't like what I'm seeing in the monitor market right now. The desirable monitor features such as 120 Hz and LED backlighting are really only being used on TN panel monitors. These monitors also seem to have bad stands/height adjustment. Displayport, meanwhile, seems to only be on certain high end IPS and PVA screens. It seems like it will never catch on at this rate. I also thought e-IPS was going to be a somewhat common thing and maybe replace TN, but still the only monitor I've seen that is actually available is the Dell 2209WA.

This would be my perfect monitor: 24-27 inch, 1920x1200 (or 1080), IPS or e-IPS panel, LED Backlight, 120 Hz, height adjustment similar to the 2209WA, USB ports, multiple display inputs (DVI, HDMI, Displayport at least).

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

I think my dream will be statisfied by a new TV.

edit: it won't

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
I think my dream will be staisfied by a new TV.

Probably not. Even if they bring 3D to TVs, for film that only means 48Hz input. I can't imagine any reason why TVs would get real 120Hz.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: mmnno

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
I think my dream will be staisfied by a new TV.

Probably not. Even if they bring 3D to TVs, for film that only means 48Hz input. I can't imagine any reason why TVs would get real 120Hz.

Well, I'm pretty sure motion looks better on TV anyways since that is what they're designed to do. It's not 3D I care about, it's the 120hz.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Am I any closer to my dream?

 

[yusux]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
I think my dream will be staisfied by a new TV.

then ur dream would probably be raped by input lag

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

I edited that post to reflect my current thought.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

I went to Bestbuy and they had a 32" 1080p being used as a monitor that was connected through HDMI and the resoultion was just way too low. So a tv is out of the question.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
The question is, when can I expect this to come true? I know LG is releasing some larger e-ips monitors, but I really want 120hz. So far, I haven't seen any upcoming news regarding one.

And in my dream it's $399-449 like it should be for such dated technology. (IPS panels have been out for years now and yet prices haven't come down like they should because greedy companies want to sell you crap that makes them a bigger profit margin.)

 

[wchang99]

Originally posted by: mmnno
eIPS 24": Hopefully this year.

"in the unlikely story that is America, there's never been anything false... about hope." -- Obama speech in New Hampshire that was immortalized in a slightly cheesy music video with Hollywood stars.

But, my dream kind of stops at 24" e-ips's... as far as 120hz goes, I don't know if we can see that kind of social progress overnight.