I have a dilemma

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The amount of smoke/soot being created is little compared to what is put out by the forest fires each year.

And the elitests encourage the fires by preventing proper forestry management and not keeping their hillside mansions clear of debris.

OMG! Who ARE these "elitists" who are saying "bring it on!" to forest fires?!? Name names already!

If this is not sarcasm, please did back into the news reports of the last two or so years of fire seasons.

Excellent articles and quotes from forestry service people on why the conditions are so to encourage such damaging fires.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How come people are ignoring the larger issue, which is that 'our' (humans') selfishness will be the death of us all?

What are you, some kind of pinko-commie?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How come people are ignoring the larger issue, which is that 'our' (humans') selfishness will be the death of us all?

DealMonkey started to address the issue by stating there is no easy solution.

Isn't it because we can't get into it that we are doomed?

I pick up behind my dog, by the way. I think about the fact that I don't like poop on my lawn but some of the neighbors just open the door and let theirs run. But I drive a car so I'm still killing the world and everything I buy is in plastic. I voted against Bush but they will still drill Alaska.

Does it take 51% of the people being conscious to save the world and what are the prospects when the number is very likely far less than one percent?

 

[piasabird]

Go buy an electric lawn mower.

Change what you can, but remember to accept what can not be changed.

I dont know what you can do about this. Call OSHA or the EPA or something. You might make a claim that the smoke is harming children and is bad for the unborn whose mother to be has to breath the smoke.

 

[MoFunk]

Thanks, that reminded me to order another cord of wood!

 

[ParStyles]

so let's ban all wood burning fireplaces . . isn't that the solution. and for people who don't have central heat/air we must install that for them, after all they need to have heat. Also, let's start daming up more canyons . . yosemite should be a good start, or do you think the energy created to run your heating unit doesn't need energy . . maybe we need a battery . . wow that might be alot of extra waste in the dumps with all those batteries. Oh wait, you say . . can't dam up a canyon to produce more energy . . well then . . burn heating oil in a house . . . hmmmm . . . . or wait . . how about another nuclear enery plant?????? But wait . . now your saying that it doesn't use that much energy . . I would say you're probably right . . but then I have no idea how much energy it would use. . . but what I do know is that I have seen commercials but water companies, that say to not waste water . . why? because it uses up precious energy that we need to conserve.

 

[rudder]

How dare you call these people low class. They are simply in a different financial strata.

 

[Infohawk]

Jeebus people are living in midieval times here. Who needs wood for burning? We already depleted the forests of Europe and (according to some the middle east earlier in history). It's not like there aren't other ways to heat your homes. Get over it-- so you like smell. The costs outweight the benefits. Let's use coal for heating homes while we're at it.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: lozina
I dunno, I kinda like the smell of wood burning

:thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

Move mom to new mexico. Clean(er) air and warm air that's good for the bones and circulation.. Zero to no heating bills as a bonus plus I'm sure you'd dig santa fe.


<----dreams of new mexico all the time and being obtuse.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
How come people are ignoring the larger issue, which is that 'our' (humans') selfishness will be the death of us all?

It will? FEMA builds 200+ year underground installations for our elite and thier families. I'm sure many private citizens have done similar. I know I would If I could afford it. After the nuclear winters they will rise to a new eden of sorts.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Jeebus people are living in midieval times here. Who needs wood for burning? We already depleted the forests of Europe and (according to some the middle east earlier in history). It's not like there aren't other ways to heat your homes. Get over it-- so you like smell. The costs outweight the benefits. Let's use coal for heating homes while we're at it.

I have a fireplace in my house. I used it a few times when I first bought the place, then one winter morning I was hiking in the Catalinas and looked down on Tucson and saw the thick haze that hung over town. I haven't burned my fireplace since. When I go out my front door or even get out of my car in the winter time, I choke a bit on that smoke. Ah, but what's a little coughing when it smells good, right?

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Having moved to a, in my experience at least, a low class area of Sacramento to care for my Mom, I still walk my dog every day. It is cold here in winter and many people are burning fires either because they like fires, but more likely to reduce the cost of their heating bills. So when i walk my dog I have to breathe in all of the smoke. I don't burn a fire because people down wind of me would have to breathe my smoke and the law says I can't go over and eliminate the people polluting me. Because the kind of thoughtfulness and consciousness that I have is rare, I have to suffer both ways, higher heating bills and unhealthy air. As a single individual there is little i can do to create socially conscious people, especially when it would cost them more money to be that way. That seems to block the only sensible way our of this, that nobody burn a fire willingly because they pollute their neighbor. Therefore it seems the alternative is socially responsible elitist law that tells people what they can and cannot do and limits their freedom to enjoy a fire.

By extension I think, on the horns of this and similar dilemmas, humanity will become extinct. I want what is my right even though I, multiplied 6 billion times, destroy the world.


We have met the enemy and it is the SELF.

Every problem begins and ends in US.

Only YOU can prevent forest fires as Smokey the Bear says.

What is your answer?

I'm surprised California hasn't passed some strict ordinances regarding wood-burning appliances, ala Oregon. With clean burning stoves, using Catalytic Combustor technology and other recent technologies, much of the particulates and other harmful elements in wood smoke have been reduced or eliminated altogether.
I can imagine it must get overwhelming with lots of houses grouped together all burning inefficient wood burning appliances or fireplaces. Yuck. Myself, I don't do neighbors.

 

[BBond]

People learn the hard way. Sometimes it takes a big smoky fire to alert people to the dangers of big smoky fires. Just hope they haven't burned everything before they figure it out.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rudder
How dare you call these people low class. They are simply in a different financial strata.

While your comment has nothing to do with anything, it does illustrate the nature of assumptions. What makes you think that I am not in the same economic strata as they and now live among my own whereas before I was poor among the better off? Hehe.