I hate the left!

[shiner]

How about we just meet in the damn middle and fix this fucking mess?

I'm so god damned fed up with the partisanship on both sides it is making me sick.

If this crap goes on much longer I'm gonna go dig up Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman so I can turn them loose to kick all the morons in office now collective asses.

 

[Martin]

what is this "fucking mess" you speak of?

 

[shiner]

Pick one...

Illegal immigration is my hot topic right now.

Of course there is still health care, foreign policy, etc, etc, etc... plenty to choose from.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
How about we just meet in the damn middle and fix this fucking mess?

I'm so god damned fed up with the partisanship on both sides it is making me sick.

If this crap goes on much longer I'm gonna go dig up Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman so I can turn them loose to kick all the morons in office now collective asses.

:thumbsup:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
How about we just meet in the damn middle and fix this fucking mess?

I'm so god damned fed up with the partisanship on both sides it is making me sick.

If this crap goes on much longer I'm gonna go dig up Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman so I can turn them loose to kick all the morons in office now collective asses.

I doubt they would do any better, the information society has changed politics into a farce where the competitors are always watched, sooner or later they'll fuck up and before they have a chance to regret it it's on youtube.

Politics is a fucked up ugly appeal to bullshit game these days.

Trust me, i don't like it any more than you do and it's not better in the UK than it is in the US, but if you want to see something really bad, watch Afghanistan in about half a year or so.

 

[daveymark]

too many are fixated on winning without maintaining focus on the real goals. if the issues truly mattered, Rudy wouldn't even be in the running

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: daveymark
too many are fixated on winning without maintaining focus on the real goals. if the issues truly mattered, Rudy wouldn't even be in the running

Which is why term limits should be mandatory.

You get 6 years of service. Period.

No maxing out you limit in the House and then moving to the Senate.

6 years.

You can however be elected President for 1 6 year term.

Period.

While you are in office all your assets are seized and put into a fund that is tied directly to the performance of the economy. If it goes up you get your assets back plus an amount equal to the growth the economy experienced while you were in office. If the economy flounders you get your assets back minus a percentage equal to how much the economy went down.

No lifetime retirement plan after your 6 years. You have to go back into the real world and earn it like the rest of us.

 

[fskimospy]

HEY GUYS I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE SHOULD JUST GET TOGETHER AND FIX IT. BY 'IT', I MEAN ALL PROBLEMS.

Why didn't we think of this before?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
HEY GUYS I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE SHOULD JUST GET TOGETHER AND FIX IT. BY 'IT', I MEAN ALL PROBLEMS.

Why didn't we think of this before?

You got anything intelligent to add or was this simply a drive by drooling?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy
HEY GUYS I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE SHOULD JUST GET TOGETHER AND FIX IT. BY 'IT', I MEAN ALL PROBLEMS.

Why didn't we think of this before?

You got anything intelligent to add or was this simply a drive by drooling?

Well, something wet did hit me.

Ron Paul seems like the only guy up there willing to cut government spending, and have a foreign policy that makes sense.

We see what his poll numbers are like.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy
HEY GUYS I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE SHOULD JUST GET TOGETHER AND FIX IT. BY 'IT', I MEAN ALL PROBLEMS.

Why didn't we think of this before?

You got anything intelligent to add or was this simply a drive by drooling?

I'm sorry, I don't think that it is possible to add anything intelligent to this thread. Although I do like the term "drive by drooling". That's pretty catchy.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Republican happy hour of screwing the opposition in the, you know what, is over. Naturally you're going to see a lot of people who suddenly think NOW is all of a sudden the time to play nice. But why should the party of vengeance and punishment and personal responsibility suddenly be allowed the luxury of a peace treaty. Slash and burn, no? Stomp them into the earth. Isn't that how an eye for an eye works.

How about the Republican party apologize to America for ruining it first.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy
HEY GUYS I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS STUFF. WE SHOULD JUST GET TOGETHER AND FIX IT. BY 'IT', I MEAN ALL PROBLEMS.

Why didn't we think of this before?

You got anything intelligent to add or was this simply a drive by drooling?

I'm sorry, I don't think that it is possible to add anything intelligent to this thread. Although I do like the term "drive by drooling". That's pretty catchy.

It's absolutely retarded that someone would attack the premise of this thread. I take it you would like more partisanship?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
It's absolutely retarded that someone would attack the premise of this thread.

Yes, pie IS nice. :roll:

 

[Siddhartha]

Since the Republicans had control of Congress from 1992 to 2006 and they have held the White House since 2001 a lot of the mess you are talking about pretty much represents their policies. Otherwise they would have change the funding and laws.

To make any changes the Democrats would have to get enough votes to overcome a potential veto. This is not the situation in the current Congress.

The RP supporters say he is the best option for change, but I doubt that most US citizens want to get rid of USDA, FDA, EPA, etc.

What would happen if a president close down executive branch departments?

 

[Lemon law]

Right now the Country is deeply divided and worse yet polarized. GWB&co. have finally been victorious in removing all the social reforms started by Teddy Roosevelt, and now we will start to see corporate buccaneering on an international scale. The rich will get richer and fewer and the poor will get poorer in massive numbers. Overall the economic pie to be distributed will get smaller. Until the social laws that were enacted and are now dismantled are restored, that is the future. With Ron Paul libertarian style policy just an accelerator of what the radical right wants.

Overall, the radical right has been better organized and the left is not yet sufficiently alarmed to do the organized opposition yet. With the mainstream middle less welcome in either camp.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
How about we just meet in the damn middle and fix this fucking mess?

I'm so god damned fed up with the partisanship on both sides it is making me sick.

If this crap goes on much longer I'm gonna go dig up Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman so I can turn them loose to kick all the morons in office now collective asses.

That sounds nice in theory but will never happen. The left won't come to the middle on certain issues and the Right won't come to the middle on certain issues. And really - I don't believe they should if they are ideological tenents of their political beliefs.

Another reason is we already have enough wishy washy politicians we don't need more mush - we need more REAL backbone.

 

[Thump553]

Rodney King for President!

While emotionally appealing to have unity, the OP number one issue points out the problem-the alleged issue of illegal immigration. I, for one, view this as an overblown concocted issue meant to divide the populance and divert attention from the real underlying issues. Much like law & order was in the seventies, or the jewish menace to 1930's Germany.

I view the decline in average American's living standards not due to illegal immigrants but rather to governmental subsidization of large corporations, government encouragement of outsourcing and a tax system biased towards the accumulation of mega-wealth. Illegal immigration is more of a symptom, not a cause. If it was a real problem, and the government really wanted to solve it, it would impose real sanctions on employers of illegal aliens. Cut the demand will naturally reduce the supply.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
That sounds nice in theory but will never happen. The left won't come to the middle on certain issues and the Right won't come to the middle on certain issues.

They'll both come to the middle right around November 2008.

 

[umbrella39]

I hate the centrists! Pick a side already. Thought I would add that. Agree with CAD, nice in theory but it probably won't happen anytime soon.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Two things really stand out to me:

1. When the Repubs were in power, the words "Compromise", "Concessions" and "Negotiate" no longer existed in the political vocabulary....now that is all that they preach
2. The majority of the population believed that the Repub direction for the country was a dead end and voted for change....why should the Dems concede to the Right's wishes when the majority of the country believed that it was wrong?

Personally, I believe that the best direction for the country is one that is based on freedoms with a fragile balance of regulation. That extends from the personal to the economic. Just as we have a fragile balance of freedom of speech that is cantilevered with restrictions for public safety, there needs to be the same for business.

The right, over the last few decades have preached the gospel of the free markets unhindered by regulation. Over the last 7+ years of total control, they have scaled back the rules and oversight and we have seen companies running rampant with the only rule being to make the most that you can for the fewest that you can.

We will be very hard pressed to get to the common ground on all issues because we are all hard wired to react to different triggering mechanisms. That said, there is still enough mutual ground that needs to be fertilized to continue to keep our little patch of land as the best place to be. Unfortunately for the Repubs clamoring for this middle ground, we have to go pretty far to the left to get back to the center.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: shinerburke
How about we just meet in the damn middle and fix this fucking mess?

I'm so god damned fed up with the partisanship on both sides it is making me sick.

If this crap goes on much longer I'm gonna go dig up Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman so I can turn them loose to kick all the morons in office now collective asses.

That sounds nice in theory but will never happen. The left won't come to the middle on certain issues and the Right won't come to the middle on certain issues. And really - I don't believe they should if they are ideological tenents of their political beliefs.

Another reason is we already have enough wishy washy politicians we don't need more mush - we need more REAL backbone.

What you people have to realize is that there is no 'center' on certain issues. A lot of republican policies are based on the Middle Ground fallacy. IE retard blowhard on the right thinks torture is fine, normal person finds that unacceptable, so people think a 'compromise' is called for and torture should be ok sometimes. The same fallacy drives the entire ID debate, treatment of detainees etc.

Then there's the fact that what constitutes an 'issue' differs between the left and right. What you worry about is not necessarily what someone else worries about.

 

[yllus]

Truman, the president who got you guys mired in the Koreas without seeking Congress' prior approval? Good choice.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republican happy hour of screwing the opposition in the, you know what, is over. Naturally you're going to see a lot of people who suddenly think NOW is all of a sudden the time to play nice. But why should the party of vengeance and punishment and personal responsibility suddenly be allowed the luxury of a peace treaty. Slash and burn, no? Stomp them into the earth. Isn't that how an eye for an eye works.

How about the Republican party apologize to America for ruining it first.

That's right, because the Democrat happy hour of screwing the opposition in the, you know what, is about to begin.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republican happy hour of screwing the opposition in the, you know what, is over. Naturally you're going to see a lot of people who suddenly think NOW is all of a sudden the time to play nice. But why should the party of vengeance and punishment and personal responsibility suddenly be allowed the luxury of a peace treaty. Slash and burn, no? Stomp them into the earth. Isn't that how an eye for an eye works.

How about the Republican party apologize to America for ruining it first.

That's right, because the Democrat happy hour of screwing the opposition in the, you know what, is about to begin.

Originally posted by: George Washington
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It is this partisan struggle that is leading our country down the road to fascism and tyranny. You separate humanity into teams, and then each side, while in its turn in power, dehumanizes the opposition for the sake of revenge and exploitation, all (of course) with legitimate excuses and grievances. It's like an Appalachian family feud, nobody remembers who killed whose brother first anymore, or even cares. It sickens me. And quite frankly, I expect better from Moonie than to demand eye for an eye. As Gandhi said, that way the whole world goes blind.