Ok, so I go in and get my non drivers ID, which you have to have your SS card and birth certificate when you apply for it. Then I go back for my permit, and I misplaced my birth certificate. They then tell me that my non drivers ID which they issued a week before is not good enough proof of ID? I know with September 11th, they need to be more careful, I do understand that, and I am really happy that they are. (which is why I didn't bitch at them, I know they are just doing their job) But its just senseless, because now I have to go order a copy of something to show them, that they just saw. I mean, my picture is on their screen, they know its me. Its just pretty bad when they can't even trust their own state issued IDs. 😛