I hate Ron Artest

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: gwlam12
But he hasn't even been proved guilty of the charges yet...

He's definitely guilty of be a thug.

Can we just make threads for people who don't hate black people instead of making a bunch of threads for people that do?

It'd save everyone a bunch of time.

You're the only one mentioning color here....methinks you're a closet racist.

Agreed

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Unheard

Originally posted by: Matt2When are professional sports players going to realize how lucky they are and become responsible adults?

FWIW hockey players are probably the best about being model citizens. They get all their anger out on the ice.

Except a Mr. Theo Fleury.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Matt2
What do you guys think about the problems the NFL is having?

Ron Arrest beats the crap out of a woman and gets excused form the team.

Tank Johnson of the Bears gets arrested for having loaded illegal firearms laying out in his living room with his three year old daughter in the house, but gets to play in the Super Bowl?

Pac Man Jones of the Titans is allegedly involved in a club shooting that leaves a bouncer paralyzed from the waist down, but the NFL has yet to even address the problem officially.

Professional sports players are spiraling out of control.

Notice how none of those players have been convicted of anything?

Ron - We have no idea what the circumstances of his case were.

Tank- He had registered the guns in another state. The ruling has yet to come in his case. Football is his job, and he was allowed to travel only to perform his job. The 3 year old is irrelevant as parents are allowed to own guns also, nobody accused Tank of having the guns in a place accessible to the child.

Pacman - police questioned him and let him go, said he's not a suspect

On the other hand, a guy I know in IT got sent a cease and desist order from Comcast for sharing illegal files. I heard on the news about a technician who shot like 4 people.
Another one got arrested for hacking into government computers.
Professional I.T. is spiraling out of control.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
On the other hand, a guy I know in IT got sent a cease and desist order from Comcast for sharing illegal files. I heard on the news about a technician who shot like 4 people.
Another one got arrested for hacking into government computers.
Professional I.T. is spiraling out of control.

I blame it on the users.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Hmm, the woman appears to be his wife. We know the woman is violent from the fact that she threw the pot at his windshield hard enough to smash it. It's also clear that he was trying to leave when she threw it. I'm going to go ahead and assume that if he did push her it was to get her pot-throwing a$$ off him so he could get away her.

My assumption has at least as much merit as any assumption that he did something wrong. I like how all it takes is a woman's accusation for a man to be convicted of abuse in the court of public opinion.

Well with his track record, it's hard to assume he's innocent until proven guilty.

What track record? The incident where a man threw something at him and he went into the stands after him? Saying he wanted to be traded from indiana? Saying he wanted to take time off from basketball to be a rapper?

I don't know where any of his past incidents would correlate to wife beating. We have an tendency to assume that people we don't like are evil and capable of all kinds of horrendous things. There's no rational reason to assume so.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Matt2
What do you guys think about the problems the NFL is having?

Ron Arrest beats the crap out of a woman and gets excused form the team.

Tank Johnson of the Bears gets arrested for having loaded illegal firearms laying out in his living room with his three year old daughter in the house, but gets to play in the Super Bowl?

Pac Man Jones of the Titans is allegedly involved in a club shooting that leaves a bouncer paralyzed from the waist down, but the NFL has yet to even address the problem officially.

Professional sports players are spiraling out of control.

Notice how none of those players have been convicted of anything?

Ron - We have no idea what the circumstances of his case were.

Tank- He had registered the guns in another state. The ruling has yet to come in his case. Football is his job, and he was allowed to travel only to perform his job. The 3 year old is irrelevant as parents are allowed to own guns also, nobody accused Tank of having the guns in a place accessible to the child.

Pacman - police questioned him and let him go, said he's not a suspect

On the other hand, a guy I know in IT got sent a cease and desist order from Comcast for sharing illegal files. I heard on the news about a technician who shot like 4 people.
Another one got arrested for hacking into government computers.
Professional I.T. is spiraling out of control.

We're talking about professionals here. Why cant they act like professionals?

What kind of message are they sending to the future professionals sports players of the world?

Just because professional sports players are good at what they do, they can't be responsible adults at the same time? Playing professional sports is a PRIVILEGE. Not a right. It's time for the NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. to start making these thugs realize that.

What about Michael Vick?

He tried to bring freakin marijuana onto a plane. What are the Falcons doing about that?

I'm not sure why you are defending such actions. Would your boss look the other way if you got caught bringing marijuana onto a plane?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
What track record? The incident where a man threw something at him and he went into the stands after him?

Oh, you mean the incident where he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault?

EDIT: In 2004, Artest completed anger management for a domestic violence charge, and the mother of his children was charged with the same crime for hitting Artest in 2002.

Sounds like a pretty clear track record to me. The fact that his wife was charged with the same crime means nothing. He didnt have to abuse her back. Hell, my GF has slapped me around a few times. Did I hit her back? No, I know better. So should he.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

You know, this is why athletes like Montana and Jordan were so great. Even off the field they were good people. They knew people looked upto them so they tried to be good role models.

 

[Dacalo]

No need to over react. I am a Kings fan myself, but he did not "beat the snot" out of someone. He shoved her, but that is still inexcusable.

I hope they trade Ron this summer. It was a mistake acquiring him. I liked Peja, although he lacked the tenacity to become a great player (ala Dirk).

 

[vi edit]

I think the NFL has a far higher number of thugs and low lifes. But they have a lot more players per team so that's kind of expected.

The "love boat" problem with the Vikings. Half the Bengals have been arrested for DUI's or drug convictions. The Bears have Tank Johnson and Manning Jr. Ruben Drougns (sp) for the Browns has been in trouble for slapping around his girl. Hell, last year Larry Johnson was in quite a bit of trouble for pushing around his woman. Then you have that linebacker for SD that has about 5 bullets in him. Antonio bryant was doing 100+ while drunk in a Ferrari. Ricky Williams anyone? How about the mysterious compartment incident with Mike Vick and the water bottle? Haynesworth slamming a cleated shoe down on another players head after he kicked off the helmet? Darrent Williams being involved in drive by shootings...don't tell me that was completely coincidental.

And the list just goes on and on on.

 

[JC86]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
You know, this is why athletes like Montana and Jordan were so great. Even off the field they were good people. They knew people looked upto them so they tried to be good role models.

Montana yes . . . I don't think the same can be said for Jordan . . I love Jordan to death but its no secret that he had numerous affairs . . . He was just able to pay off the women and keep in under the radar. . . That being said, for every Pacman, there's a Tom Brady and Peyton Manning . . .Its a generalization to say all of them are thugs . . .

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: gwlam12
But he hasn't even been proved guilty of the charges yet...

He's definitely guilty of be a thug.

Can we just make threads for people who don't hate black people instead of making a bunch of threads for people that do?

It'd save everyone a bunch of time.

What in my post said I don't like black people. For all you know I might be black.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yowolabi
What track record? The incident where a man threw something at him and he went into the stands after him?

Oh, you mean the incident where he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault?

Are you disputing what I said is correct? Because i'm disputing what you're saying. It was Jackson that pleaded no contest, not Artest.

And nice job avoiding the central question, even if you had been correct. How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?

It's pretty clear that Artest did not initiate the violence.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
No need to over react. I am a Kings fan myself, but he did not "beat the snot" out of someone. He shoved her, but that is still inexcusable.

I hope they trade Ron this summer. It was a mistake acquiring him. I liked Peja, although he lacked the tenacity to become a great player (ala Dirk).

I'm not overreacting, I just hate to see guys who have so much talent and so much money act like they are completely ungrateful. Like the world owes them something besides multi-million dollar contracts.

I agree with you about Peja too. He was my favorite player even before the 03-04 season when he had an MVP type year. He had greatness written all over him, but he's not a leader. Like you said, he lacks the tenacity to say "give me the ball, I'm gonna drain this three pointer with .4 seconds left". He flourished without Chris Webber, but as soon as Webber came back he took a back seat to Webber and ultimately withered when playoff time came.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yowolabi
What track record? The incident where a man threw something at him and he went into the stands after him?

Oh, you mean the incident where he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault?

Are you disputing what I said is correct? Because i'm disputing what you're saying. It was Jackson that pleaded no contest, not Artest.

And nice job avoiding the central question, even if you had been correct. How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?

It's pretty clear that Artest did not initiate the violence.

What on Earth are you talking about? I saw the brawl, I know exactly what happened.

Artest and Jackson were sentenced to one year of probation and 60 hours of community service after pleading no contest to misdemeanor assault charges. In January, Artest was released from that probation.

From the same story as the OP.

 

[iversonyin]

Stop watching basketball. NBA turned to crap after Jordan retired- the 2nd time.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: JC86

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
You know, this is why athletes like Montana and Jordan were so great. Even off the field they were good people. They knew people looked upto them so they tried to be good role models.

Montana yes . . . I don't think the same can be said for Jordan . . I love Jordan to death but its no secret that he had numerous affairs . . . He was just able to pay off the women and keep in under the radar. . . That being said, for every Pacman, there's a Tom Brady and Peyton Manning . . .Its a generalization to say all of them are thugs . . .

We have no idea if Montana cheated on his wife or not. Just because something doesn't make the news doesn't mean it didn't happen. In truth, all we know about the likes of Jordan, Montana, Brady and anyone else is that they didn't get themselves arrested. That's a pretty low standard to be held to.

We have no idea if this means they were good people or not. If I had to guess, i'd say they were a mixture of good and bad just like any other human being on the planet.
I don't understand why we feel a need to make role models or villians out of athletes.

 

[Matt2]

Just for clarification, here's the track record that yowolabi is having a tough time admitting to:

In 2004, Artest completed anger management for a domestic violence charge, and the mother of his children was charged with the same crime for hitting Artest in 2002.

He was at the center of the Nov. 19, 2004 brawl between Pacers players and Pistons fans at The Palace in Detroit. Just when a confrontation between players seemed to be over, Artest, lying on the scorer's table, was hit with a cup filled with an icy beverage. He bolted into the stands in a rage, followed by fist-swinging teammate Stephen Jackson. Artest and teammate Jermaine O'Neal later slugged fans on the court.

Two days later, Artest was suspended for the rest of the season -- 73 games, plus the playoffs -- in a move that cost him almost $5 million.

Artest and Jackson were sentenced to one year of probation and 60 hours of community service after pleading no contest to misdemeanor assault charges. In January, Artest was released from that probation.

Sacramento Kings forward Ron Artest was arrested Monday and excused indefinitely from the team after a woman said he shoved her to the floor inside his home and prevented her from calling 911.

Same article as OP. Did you even read the article?

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: yowolabi
What track record? The incident where a man threw something at him and he went into the stands after him?

Oh, you mean the incident where he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault?

Are you disputing what I said is correct? Because i'm disputing what you're saying. It was Jackson that pleaded no contest, not Artest.

And nice job avoiding the central question, even if you had been correct. How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?

It's pretty clear that Artest did not initiate the violence.

What on Earth are you talking about? I saw the brawl, I know exactly what happened.

Artest and Jackson were sentenced to one year of probation and 60 hours of community service after pleading no contest to misdemeanor assault charges. In January, Artest was released from that probation.

From the same story as the OP.

I read the ESPN article. So are you ever going to answer the question: "How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?"

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
So are you ever going to answer the question: "How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?"

OMG reading comprehension FTW!

In 2004, Artest completed anger management for a domestic violence charge, and the mother of his children was charged with the same crime for hitting Artest in 2002.

Cause he already freaking did it before.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
read the ESPN article. So are you ever going to answer the question: "How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?"

Because, here is a person whose first response to a situation is violence.

In the brawl at the Palace, Artest ran into the stands and started pummeling the wrong guy, because he thought the guy threw a drink cup at him. He didn't call security. He didn't confront the guy and make sure he was escorted out of the arena. He started to meet out his form of vigilante justice.

So, yes, I can say this is a person prone to violence be it toward his wife or the paper boy that drives across his lawn.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: yowolabi
read the ESPN article. So are you ever going to answer the question: "How does a man retaliating against another man who attacked him first, somehow lead into the assumption that he would abuse his wife?"

Because, here is a person whose first response to a situation is violence.

In the brawl at the Palace, Artest ran into the stands and started pummeling the wrong guy, because he thought the guy threw a drink cup at him. He didn't call security. He didn't confront the guy and make sure he was escorted out of the arena. He started to meet out his form of vigilante justice.

So, yes, I can say this is a person prone to violence be it toward his wife or the paper boy that drives across his lawn.

Dont bother trying to reason with him. I've proven him wrong plenty of times in this thread and he cant even bother to respond.

He must be Pac Man Jones' Agent.

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In other events, tonight is Sacramento's first game without Ron Arrest against Indiana at home.

The Kings lead 57-42. Not bad, 57 points in the first half. Maybe without Ron the offense wont be a stagnant bag of vomit.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Is it just me or did the Kings go downhill from the trade for Artest and then freefalled when they got Musselman?

 

[compuwiz1]

It takes two to tango. Some women are capable of pushing a man over the edge, infact, maybe she has a bad temper. There are always two sides to every story. Apparently he wasn't drunk.

The lynch mob is out, as expected here.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Is it just me or did the Kings go downhill from the trade for Artest and then freefalled when they got Musselman?

The Kings turned to mediocrity when Chris Webber came back from injury in the 03-04 season.

Peja and the Kings were on fire, best team in the league, but Webber insisted on coming back right before the playoffs and he killed the team chemistry.