I hate people

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You would think the people who enjoy the outdoors would be the ones to respect it and take care of it? Nope.

 

[MrSquished]

I've noticed within the last year since COVID has graced our lands, that people stopped going out camping, hiking, etc. as much. So the animals are going, wtf, those crappy humans have stopped coming out. Now we can go back to our old stomping grounds. And to a certain extent they have.
So I think it's bit of that and humans are naturally trashy in general. I saw a picture of a bear yesterday at a park somewhere in NY actually sitting on a picnic table like a human would eating trash left over from some dumb asses.

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The opposite is true here in the NYC northern NJ area. Since so many indoor activities were shut down, everybody headed to the great outdoors. Trails, hiking, picnics, camping...

 

[highland145]

The opposite is true here in the NYC northern NJ area. Since so many indoor activities were shut down, everybody headed to the great outdoors. Trails, hiking, picnics, camping...

They did clog the shit out of the bike shop with their new 10 year old bikes for new tires and tune ups...sheesh.

 

[Captante]

Yup people are the worst thing about this planet. Too many, and too many inconsiderate lazy MFers.

 

[MrSquished]

They did clog the shit out of the bike shop with their new 10 year old bikes for new tires and tune ups...sheesh.

Yeah bike shops were hit hard earlier this year in these parts
Low end and mid range bikes sold out fast once the lockdown started - both to get out more and to avoid mass transit.

 

[kt]

It's not a "people" problem. It's a culture problem. People just aren't brought up correctly to understand the concept that when you leave your shit laying around it effects other people. But then they don't even care if they are a burden to other people because they just say "Not my problem"


One of the reasons I fucking loved Japan and the culture they have. Very respectful of other people, their time, and their general public image. ZERO trash on the streets. ZERO. Zilch. None. When you got off the public transit subways there wasn't a HUGE BUMRUSH to the escalators either - everyone respectfully gets in a single-file line and they all keep right so that anyone in a hurry can walk up on the left.

It's a people problem. Or, you are saying only people of specific culture are brought up this way?

 

[Gardener]

If I can pair the owner with their dog, I walk over and tell them their dog just took a dump they need to clean up, and usually have to tell them where it is. I've also seen people 'pretend' not to see their dog take a dump.

Yeah, if I see it happen I do that as well. The moderately loud but friendly "hey, is that your dog?" and pointing, followed by them eventually looking up and pulling out their earbuds, giving me a confused look, then saying, Oh, yeah, thanks. Afterwards I introduce myself as the steward, learn their name and about their dog. Sometimes I tell them about the old women in their late 70's, one crippled with arthritis, who walk the perimeter each day and pick up all the missed crap. I've had to kick people out for arguing, for not stopping their dog from certain behaviors that lead to fighting, and for beating their dog. Human behavior is far more of a problem than anything dogs do, its always goes back to the human.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I like how this thread is focused on hating people....yet the examples are in the woods where people density is actually pretty low.

I agree with your point. People and their negative impact stands out more in those environments. But having said that, you need to remember that those areas are also magnets for trash and abuse. Part of the reason park services are there are to help manage the abuse and add an additional layer of protection for the people and the land. It sounds as though you should just consider going even more remote and do more backpacking further off the beaten path. There are quite a few places within 3 hours of here that are far more remote and less-touched by lazy people. If you go to places with accessible parking lots, people are going to expect someone else to clean up after them....just because that's how bad they are.

Black bear attacks are very rare, but you should still hang your food in a bear bag from a tree and select your shelter location wisely.

 

[Gardener]

Oregon officials had to euthanized this juvenile bear last year after people repeatedly left food out to lure him for selfies.

 

[MrSquished]

I like how this thread is focused on hating people....yet the examples are in the woods where people density is actually pretty low.

I agree with your point. People and their negative impact stands out more in those environments. But having said that, you need to remember that those areas are also magnets for trash and abuse. Part of the reason park services are there are to help manage the abuse and add an additional layer of protection for the people and the land. It sounds as though you should just consider going even more remote and do more backpacking further off the beaten path. There are quite a few places within 3 hours of here that are far more remote and less-touched by lazy people. If you go to places with accessible parking lots, people are going to expect someone else to clean up after them....just because that's how bad they are.

Black bear attacks are very rare, but you should still hang your food in a bear bag from a tree and select your shelter location wisely.

I don't particularly mind a busier shelter area as I'm not backpacking to get away from any semblance of humanity whatsoever. It's still very serene there. These particular shelter/camping spots are great hikes for single night backpackers that want to be able to set up camp with a shorter inbound hike, then take a day hike from there. One also has spectacular views. I shouldn't have to accept piss poor behaviour from humans just because this is a less remote option. It's all the more reason they should carry their trash out with them, it's not a long hike.

Also while we are not overweight out of shape, we are certainly not the fittest with 40 pounds on our backs. You'd be surprised how few less strenuous one night overnighters with rewarding views are even if you go farther out from the city. There are also rules like if you camp on the AT you have to exit a different way than you came in. Also I think there might be a 2 night minimum.

Anyways I know of another one nighter, twice as long, in the Catskills, about another hour plus north of Harriman but looks like my buddy is on a tight schedule so no can do. Most backpacking trips in the area are much longer than we can commit to this weekend.

 

[repoman0]

Oregon officials had to euthanized this juvenile bear last year after people repeatedly left food out to lure him for selfies.View attachment 30441

Euthanize the people instead.

 

[KeithP]

I feel your frustration and pain but unfortunately, we, as a society, reap what we sow. What you are seeing is just one more result of the society we have been creating over the last 40 years, or more.

Get use to it. Things are starting to come to a head and it just gets worse, and at a quicker pace, from here on out.

-KeithP

 

[MrSquished]

Oregon officials had to euthanized this juvenile bear last year after people repeatedly left food out to lure him for selfies.View attachment 30441

That's the other issue I forgot to mention, these poor innocent animals often get put down. That just might happen at the place I'm talking about. They even have a name for one of the most spotted bears there - Cookie.

 

[Gardener]

@Scarpozzi

This reminds me of the debate within the hiking community, going back 40+ years, over not identifying certain areas in published hiking guides. For me, contentment is knowing those areas exist, and that they are not sullied by humans. One of the worst characteristics in our species, besides lack of awareness of our place in the natural world, is the desire to personally see, touch and interact with everything. We have to rise above being experience whores.

 

[Scarpozzi]

That's the other issue I forgot to mention, these poor innocent animals often get put down. That just might happen at the place I'm talking about. They even have a name for one of the most spotted bears there - Cookie.

People have been putting me down my whole life. Those animals are pretty stupid living out there in the forest anyways. They deserve whatever insults roll their way....stupid animals.

 

[Scarpozzi]

@Scarpozzi

This reminds me of the debate within the hiking community, going back 40+ years, over not identifying certain areas in published hiking guides. For me, contentment is knowing those areas exist, and that they are not sullied by humans. One of the worst characteristics in our species, besides lack of awareness of our place in the natural world, is the desire to personally see, touch and interact with everything. We have to rise above being experience whores.

Yeah...my only point was that stupid people are going to mess up the land that's close to a parking lot. I was a boy scout and avid hiker in my 20s...I usually took trash bags with me and picked up other people's trash on my way out. I've seen some really bad stuff on the Appalachian trail from North Carolina to Georgia.

I'm just hopeful that in the managed areas, they have enough staff and volunteers to help keep the parks clean. A big part of it is having enough managed refuse bins and encouraging guests to follow rules and just use them. Sadly, people don't have any guilt these days.

(and yes...my previous post was a joke. I really feel bad that people harm animals through their negligence.)

 

[MrSquished]

It's not that hard for backpackers. I have an opsak for edible food then store the remnants of that in an opsak bag dedicated to trash - from the wrappers of energy bars to the packaging of freeze dried foods to the pit of a peach or whatever it is. It's always going to be lighter than what you carried in. Ugh! Makes me so mad.

 

[Spacehead]

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's a people problem. Or, you are saying only people of specific culture are brought up this way?

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Ultimately, isn't this the same thing as the Harambe shit?

 

[kt]

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Culture has nothing to do with people being assholes.

 

[Svnla]

Don't let me start with individuals behave badly.

Just yesterday, I stopped at a red light and the parking lot of CVS was full of trash. I was able to see bag of Subway, napkins, other bags. It was like several people were having lunch and decided to dump everything to the ground after they were done.

Then we have individuals that didn't wash their hands or plush after they used the bathroom, tossed out their trashes/cigarette butts from their vehicles, didn't clean up after their pets, and on and on. So uncivilized to put it nicely.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pretty terrible how selfish people people and their freedumb means ruining outdoor areas.