I HATE MECHANICS!!!! HELP!!!

WUTANGYANG

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Are there any good and honest mechanics out there? I am really getting sick of getting ripped off by these so called "Honda specialists".

First of all, I own a 97 Honda Civic, and I DO NOT do my own mechanic work because I know I am not good with cars. So, I usually bring my car to the dealership or some local mechanic when something needs to be done to my car. I know the dealership cost more money but they do a good job.

So, recently, my light bulbs were dimming because I need new light bulbs, so I purchased some online thinking I can save some money if I install it myself (I knew how to change the bulbs for a 91 Honda Civic, so I assumed it was the same deal). Once I got the bulbs, I found the installation process was different than that of my parents' old civic. Not wanting to do any damage to my car, I brought my car to a local mechanic which I've never been to before (the mechanics that I used to go to were closed on this day) to get my light bulbs changed. I first called the place, and they said it'll cost $10 to change the bulbs on the phone, so I thought, "Hey, that's reasonable. I'll give them a shot, after all, the sign on the store say they're 'Honda Specialists'." So, I went to this place, drove my car into the garage to get the bulbs changed, thinking that I'll be out of there in like 10 mins, maybe 30 mins tops. I was in the shop watching the guy trying to put my light bulbs into my car. First, he used a screwdriver to try to unscrew the light. But he found that he couldn't do it. Then I see him fiddling around w/ the headlights for another 10 mins and couldn't get the original light bulbs out. Then another 10 mins passed by.... then another 10 mins..... then another 15 mins...... then he used some powered device (I think it was some sort of clamp) and prys the lens right off. He then spent another 30 mins to trying to get the lens off the other side using the same technique. After he took apart both headlights, he then spent another 20 mins to put both bulbs in. Then spent another 30 mins to put lens back on. So, I spent about 2 hours watching this guy try to install my light bulbs. After the installation, the guy charged me $20 and was all pissed off. All this time, I thought to myself.... This is taking a REAL long time, and it suppose to be a 10 minute job....... how am I suppose to change the bulb, if I have to use a device like that (the powered clamp) ..... and the thing that was probably bothering me the most..... according to what I read online, the head lights on the Civics are a SEALED unit.... and do I have to break this seal to install new bulbs? Anyways, those were the questions that were in my mind when I left the place. I was kinda pissed at that time that he charged me $20, but hey, they changed my bulbs and did a good job right? ...... WRONG!!!!

Later that night, I was driving back from the gym. I noticed I couldn't see anything in the road...... the reason...... the light bulbs weren't shining straight. The left one was shining towards the highway signs and to the right, and the left one was shining to the ground way too much and to the right. So, I thought I need to get it adjusted, and I would go to them Monday morning and get it fixed.

So, Monday morning comes around, I go to the shop to get my light fixed. I brought the car in, and told them that the lights weren't on straight and asked them to adjust them. So, they pulled my car into the inspection part of the garage so that they can fix direction that it was pointing. One of them looked at it, and did not know how to fix it. So, they had another mechanic look at it, and he couldn't do it either. And I see the guy who changed the bulbs on my car and said that he's the one who changed teh bulbs, and he should know how to fix it. Well..... the other mechanics asked him..... and he refused to touch my car. I was like.....what the F*@%$??? Then the manager (who is also another mechanic) tells me that the head light units are broken and I need to get the whole unit replaced. Hearing that, definitely set me off. I told the guy the headlight units were working perfectly fine and that I just needed to get my light bulbs changed. I also told them that they were the one who broke it because they took apart the light and can't put it back together. Then the manager had the nerve to accuse me of breaking the headlight unit. So, I got REALLY PISSED off and drove off before I would of said things that may be used against me in court. :|

After hearing this, I went to another mechanic and see if they could fix it. After the mechanic looked at my car, he tried to fix it and adjust it. He then told me that the previous person who put the bulbs in did it wrong and took apart the whole lens which they AREN'T even suppose to touch at all. They were suppose to take teh bulbs out from the back. The mechanic told me that he tried to get the lens back to its original position, but can't get it all the way because the seal was broken. He also told me that it would be dangerous to drive with these headlights because water can get into the lens cover and cause the light to refract the wrong way, and the only way to fix this problem is to get new headlights. He then told me that I should contact Honda dealership to see what they can do to fix it or replace it. Obviously, this was not the answer I wanted to hear, so I just paid the guy and left.

Not satisfied with the answer, I went to 2 other mechanics, whom..... surprisingly both gave the same answer as the second guy. So, to make sure this was the case, I brought it to two Honda dealerships near me to get my car inspected by a REAL Honda Certified mechanic, and both say that the lights need to be replaced completely. At the dealership, this would cost me around $200 a PIECE!!!! So, that's $400 for parts, and another $85 for labor!!!! Altogether with tax, to get this fixed, I would have to SPEND $500!!!! NOW I'M REALLY PISSED OFF!!!! I spent the last week getting mechanics to look at my car. I can't drive the car at night now because the lights are not working properly. And I need to be able to drive my car at night when I'm working. FREAKING MORONS!!!!

What would you do if you were in my situation??? ANY SUGGESTION??? I'm a freaking poor college student who just dropped $400 at the dealership to get a new timing belt and water pump replaced. NOW THIS..... THIS IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF!!!! ANY SUGGESTIONS??

Also, any mechanics in the Boston area who would like to help a fellow AT out? Any help or suggestion is appreciated!!!

Thanks for reading.

NOTE: I'm not saying all mechanics are dishonest. I'm sure there are plenty of honest, hard working mechanics out there. So, please don't get offended by this rant.
 

Rent

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The original mechanic admitted to changing the bulbs right(and oulling the lens off like a dumbass)right?

Get his ass in there with the manager and put his ass on th line. Ask them how a "Honda Specialist" could fvck up a simple thing like changing headlight bulbs. I would hit them hard up for a new set of headlights and if not, tell them you'll be contacting your insurance agency for neglegence to your car.

On a side note, simple things like light bulbs are usually listed in your vechicle manual. This is a good reason to learn just a little bit about your car. Personally, I don't trust many people to work on my car (and its a freakin POS). If I take my car to a mechanic, its because I don't have the tools to do the job myself.
 

Sluggo

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Your headlights were getting dim?

Headlights work or they dont, there is no perceptible dimming (by the human eye) of headlight bulbs over their life span.

AND

Not to rag on you in particular..........but


There are 1000 people on here who pitch a huge fit about people owning computers and not knowing the first damn thing about them. Well I think the exact same principles should be applied to towards car ownership. A basic car costs 10X what a computer does, and people expect them to just hum along and work perfectly. Owners of cars should have a basic working knowledge of what they are driving, and how to do basic tasks.


Your car story sounds like the PC owner who takes his machine to the PC shop to have it defragged, and whines when the morons erase the drive. It is a simple task that should have been handled by the owner in the first place.
 

Thegonagle

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OMG! He PRIED THE LENSES OFF! LMAO. Jesus Christ! That's not how you do it. What a maroon!

I'd be pissed too. Oh no. I'm sorry he screwed you. :(

Go back to the first garage with the receipts/estimates from the other 5 places you went and ask them to pay. They have business insurance for this kind of thing. They will either eat the cost or make a claim. Bring "representation." If that gets no results, a quick phone call from your ?lawyer? should get job done.

Sad thing is that I bet there are instructions for changing it in the owners manual.
 

Brutuskend

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<< Headlights work or they dont, there is no perceptible dimming (by the human eye) of headlight bulbs over their life span. >>



Thats very true.

Did you get a recipt from the place that did the original work?

If so it can prove they did it, and did it WRONG.

Make THEM fix it or make them pay to have it fixed!

If the lights were going dim, it could be your Alt. thats going out!
 

Ns1

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yeah seriously, small claims court

get a lawyer, you know the drill


this is america, land of lawsuits ;)
 

tkim

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sometime, if i had my way, i would torture the sons o' b...ches that screw people over. its just plain wrong. i feel you!!
 

Passions

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First of all, $10 for changing light bulbs and 2 hours? You should have knew right then and there. I would have stopped that person from even touching my car if it seemed like he didn't know what he was doing. Reputable places do not charge that low, you get what you pay for.

 

WUTANGYANG

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<<On a side note, simple things like light bulbs are usually listed in your vechicle manual. This is a good reason to learn just a little bit about your car.>>

I looked in the vehicle manual, and there was nothing how to change the bulb. All it had was what kind of bulb it uses. I looked online for instructions, and I found two different ways, so that's why I didnt' try it myself.



<<Headlights work or they dont, there is no perceptible dimming (by the human eye) of headlight bulbs over their life span>>

Then maybe you should take a good look at the lights right now.... if they're not dim. I don't know what is.

<<Your car story sounds like the PC owner who takes his machine to the PC shop to have it defragged, and whines when the morons erase the drive. It is a simple task that should have been handled by the owner in the first place. >>

Well, lets see.... I wouldn't say it that way. I would have to say if you're relating it to PC, it would be bringing it to get a defrag and have the tech. take apart the HD and try to put it back together piece by piece and say it'll work fine. If they knew what they were doing, then they wouldn't have taken apart the headlight. And I worked in the IT business before, and no self respecting technician erases someones HD and say its working unless you're moron (like these mechanics).
 

Sluggo

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<< Then maybe you should take a good look at the lights right now.... if they're not dim. I don't know what is. >>



Well since you have had them changed, maybe the bulbs arent the problem. Maybe there are issues somewhere else in the electrical system, but since you applied your own comprehensive set of diagnostic tests and ruled out everything but the bulbs, its gotta be the bulbs right? You diagnosed your own problem, took your car to a shop to have unneeded work done, and now you are complaining that they did the work improperly.



<< Well, lets see.... I wouldn't say it that way. I would have to say if you're relating it to PC, it would be bringing it to get a defrag and have the tech. take apart the HD and try to put it back together piece by piece and say it'll work fine. If they knew what they were doing, then they wouldn't have taken apart the headlight. And I worked in the IT business before, and no self respecting technician erases someones HD and say its working unless you're moron (like these mechanics). >>



Well , you read the analogy, but missed the point.


 

notfred

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What's you problem with mechanics? you went to 4 different places, and 3 told you the right thing,and one guy messed up, and all mechanics are crappy now?

Maybe you should learn how to change a lightbulb.
 

ThisIsMatt

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Do not go back and argue with them. If you don't have the information already, go back and get the mechanic's name and any other info of the guy who did the "work" on your car, but again, don't go to argue with them. Also get all the contact info of the shop. Write (type) them a letter (I assume they have a mailbox or at least one you can drop a letter off at) explaining the situation. Be professional about it and include the name of the mechanic that worked on your car. Describe what you watched him do. Then go into detail about how you visited other mechanics and also the Honda dealership(s) and what they said. Tell them what you want them to do to rectify the situation and leave your contact information so that they can get back to you. If you're willing to take them to small claims court I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention this to them ;) Send the letter, give them a week or so to contact you, and if they don't, take it to court...
 

NotoriousMAK

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Sluggo..Sounds like you're saying it was HIS fault for the damage done to HIS car by a third party...Correct? It was HIS fault for bringing the car into a shop he thought was reputable?

Remember this. These people are doing a job and getting paid for it. If they do a bad job or are negligent, its the people who did it who are at fault NO MATTER HOW SIMPLE THE JOB WAS TO BEGIN WITH!

Also the moron's didn't erase his drive. They f'in took a fork and shoved it up the drive's @$$.
 

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<< Then maybe you should take a good look at the lights right now.... if they're not dim. I don't know what is. >>



Well since you have had them changed, maybe the bulbs arent the problem. Maybe there are issues somewhere else in the electrical system, but since you applied your own comprehensive set of diagnostic tests and ruled out everything but the bulbs, its gotta be the bulbs right? You diagnosed your own problem, took your car to a shop to have unneeded work done, and now you are complaining that they did the work improperly.



<< Well, lets see.... I wouldn't say it that way. I would have to say if you're relating it to PC, it would be bringing it to get a defrag and have the tech. take apart the HD and try to put it back together piece by piece and say it'll work fine. If they knew what they were doing, then they wouldn't have taken apart the headlight. And I worked in the IT business before, and no self respecting technician erases someones HD and say its working unless you're moron (like these mechanics). >>



Well , you read the analogy, but missed the point.
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Stop being an ass to him. If the bulbs weren't the problem, but he replaced them anyway, where's the problem? You've never been troubleshooting and swapped out a good part for a good part in the process of trying to find the problem? BULLCRAP. Whether the bulbs were the problem or not is NOT relevant to his real problem, so get off it.
 

WUTANGYANG

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sluggo.... are you one of those people who like to rip people off just because their lack of knowledge of certain things? From your recent posts, you seems like a REAL piece of work. Just because someone does not have the knowledge on certain things, it does not mean you should take advantage of them. BTW..... brilliant analogy...... I wish I can be SMART like you!!!!

As for the rest, thanks for the response and suggestions.
 

ThisIsMatt

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...and I know how to change a car bulb, but I really wouldn't say it's easy. They (in the hondas I've done it to) are crammed in all tight and a total PITA to get in & out.
 

edfcmc

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This is straight from the horses mouth: (Massachusetts Attorney General) on what to do with auto repair.
Look for the link for more info.


The Attorney General?s Auto Sales and Repair Regulations give you some basic auto repair rights. These regulations apply to all auto repair shops, auto body shops, and retail stores that offer automotive services. Gasoline service stations, which provide only minor repair services (such as changing or repairing tires; replacing fan belts and oil filters; installing lightbulbs, batteries, windshield wiper blades, and other minor accessories) are exempt from some requirements.

Your auto repair rights include the:

Right not to be mislead. A repair shop cannot lead you to believe that repairs are necessary when that is not the case. It also cannot charge you for repairs that have not been made. 940 CMR 5.05 (1)

Right to know...
Before getting your oral or written permission to begin the repairs, you have the right to know some basic information. 940 CMR 5.05 (4)

Right to an agreed upon price within $10 If it becomes apparent that your car needs repairs other than those which you have authorized, or if the price for performing the authorized repairs will exceed the original estimate by more than $10, a repair shop must notify you and obtain your permission before continuing the work. 940 CMR 5.05 (7)

Right to same day repairs, unless you agree to a longer period. If the repair shop can show that the delay was caused by circumstances beyond its control, same-day repairs are not required. 940 CMR 5.05(6)

Right to an itemized bill, listing the charges for all parts and labor. If the repair shop bills on a flat-rate charge that is posted in the shop, then it does not have to itemize parts and labor on the bill. 940 CMR 5.05 (9)

Right to have shoddy repair work repaired at no charge. A repair shop must fix any repairs it has made on your car that were not repaired in accordance with trade standards. 940 CMR 5.05 (8)
Once you know and understand your rights, you may be able to resolve disputes with an auto repair shop informally. Speak with the owner or manager about your concerns, and suggest a solution. If no agreement can be reached, you may need to take steps to assert your rights.

You may want to contact your local consumer group for assistance. Your local consumer group can provide you with mediation services. Mediation allows both parties to reach a mutually acceptable resolution with the help of a facilitator. Mediation is voluntary, requiring both parties consent. Alternatively, you may want to seek help from the Better Business Bureau.

LINK to Massachusetts AG law on Auto Repair
 

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<< What's you problem with mechanics? you went to 4 different places, and 3 told you the right thing,and one guy messed up, and all mechanics are crappy now?

Maybe you should learn how to change a lightbulb.
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"NOTE: I'm not saying all mechanics are dishonest. I'm sure there are plenty of honest, hard working mechanics out there. So, please don't get offended by this rant."

 

Sluggo

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I'm not trying to say it was his fault. He claims to have limited knowledge of cars, fair enough.

If you have limited knowledge of cars, do not do your own diagnostic work. Your friendly local Honda dealership has technicians trained to do troubleshooting, and if these avenues were pursued, he would not have the problem he is having now. He did his own diagnostic work with limited knowledge of what he was doing, and ended up with a screwed up car. It will cost a bunch to fix the problem, and to top it all off, it will cost even MORE money to get the original electrical problem that is causing the dim headlights fixed.

Any reputable shop would not have changed out working headlight bulbs (for any amount of money), they took him for a sucker from the start, and now they will end up paying damages on it I am sure.

 

WUTANGYANG

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If you have limited knowledge of cars, do not do your own diagnostic work. Your friendly local Honda dealership has technicians trained to do troubleshooting, and if these avenues were pursued, he would not have the problem he is having now. He did his own diagnostic work with limited knowledge of what he was doing, and ended up with a screwed up car. It will cost a bunch to fix the problem, and to top it all off, it will cost even MORE money to get the original electrical problem that is causing the dim headlights fixed.

Well... first of all, I do not know what diagnostic work you're talking about? All I did was buy bulbs and was going to change them. Never did I even rip apart any wires or lens. I just saw that the process was different than that of my old civic, and did not continue on. But again, you're the expert and I'm the idiot right? Me wish I can smart like sluggo.

Thanks edfcmc for the link.
 

Sluggo

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<< sluggo.... are you one of those people who like to rip people off just because their lack of knowledge of certain things? From your recent posts, you seems like a REAL piece of work. Just because someone does not have the knowledge on certain things, it does not mean you should take advantage of them. BTW..... brilliant analogy...... I wish I can be SMART like you!!!!

As for the rest, thanks for the response and suggestions.
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No as a matter of fact it is just the opposite. Had you posted here and asked what could possibly be causing your headlights to lose some of their illumination qualities, I and many others would have suggested looking to the electrical system of your car for the cause of the problems. We would not have suggested that your bulbs needed changing unless the bulbs were not working.

I do not rip anyone off and I really dont appreciate the insinuation that I do.
 

NotoriousMAK

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"Not to rag on you in particular..........but"


Everyone should be an MD to treat their own illnesses because life is priceless. Maybe I shouldn't seek my Dr's opinion about this open wound I have. Maybe I should be an MD instead and try to figure that out instead...

LOL
 

Sluggo

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<< If you have limited knowledge of cars, do not do your own diagnostic work. Your friendly local Honda dealership has technicians trained to do troubleshooting, and if these avenues were pursued, he would not have the problem he is having now. He did his own diagnostic work with limited knowledge of what he was doing, and ended up with a screwed up car. It will cost a bunch to fix the problem, and to top it all off, it will cost even MORE money to get the original electrical problem that is causing the dim headlights fixed.

Well... first of all, I do not know what diagnostic work you're talking about? All I did was buy bulbs and was going to change them. Never did I even rip apart any wires or lens. I just saw that the process was different than that of my old civic, and did not continue on. But again, you're the expert and I'm the idiot right? Me wish I can smart like sluggo.

Thanks edfcmc for the link.
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The diagnostic work I am speaking of is this. You perceive your headlights to be dimmer than before, you decide the problem is the bulbs, it cant be anything but the bulb, you found the cause of the problem. You diagnosed the problem and concluded that the bulbs were the item at fault. You diagnosed the problem with limited knowledge of what was causing it. I never claimed to be an expert on anything.
 

Sluggo

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<< "Not to rag on you in particular..........but"


Everyone should be an MD to treat their own illnesses because life is priceless. Maybe I shouldn't seek my Dr's opinion about this open wound I have. Maybe I should be an MD instead and try to figure that out instead...

LOL
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I didnt suggest that everyone should have expert knowledge of every subject in the world. Using your medical example, every person should have a basic working knowledge of all the major organs in their body, and be able to speak intelligently to their physician about their ailments.