I hate games for windows live

[blackened23]

Valve should force publishers to remove all their own DRM if they wanna sell on Steam.

Capcom games are the worst about this. Not only do most of their PC games REQUIRE the dvd to be in the drive, they have GFWL which asks you for a game key every time you try to play. I wonder who works at the capcom department of redundancy department? DRM on top of DRM? The hell is this?

GFWL doesn't save your game key either, so if you ever reinstall windows GLHF.

 

[you2]

The sad thing is that the last release I used in GFWL disabled/removed off line mode I guess they found that not enough folks where having issues so they had to do some work in that area.

Btw are you suggesting they have added offline mode back in ? (last game I played with GFWL was around 3 months ago).

i even gave a partial solution - stay in OFFLINE mode for GFWL. It will solve most of the issues. However, i see the haters *want* to hate.
:whiste:

 

[Nebor]

Neither GFWL nor Steam are for us - they are DRM solutions for themselves. Neither are ideal but Steam is the lesser of the evils and it even has its fanboys thanks to clever marketing.

I'm a huge Steam fanboy. If it's not on Steam I'm not playing it. Kinda sucks because I'd like to play Starcraft II and Diablo 3. And Dragon Age 2.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I'm in the won't buy if released on GFWL boat.

 

[apoppin]

I'm a huge Steam fanboy. If it's not on Steam I'm not playing it. Kinda sucks because I'd like to play Starcraft II and Diablo 3. And Dragon Age 2.

To each his own. That is why there is variety and the individuals to enjoy it.

i think it is metaphysical. Some people love Nvidia and have great success with their HW but awful experiences with AMD and their drivers; others think Nvidia is Evil and only have good things to say about AMD. i lucked out with both companies and love their HW and ended up working for a tech site with good things to say about both of them (while not hiding their faults).

Much of our perception depends on our life experiences. In the early days of Steam, i was stuck on 56K and it was an awful service. When i migrated to broadband, it was still weak but my connection's faster speed compensated somewhat.

Then Steam started "collecting data" and doing the surveys. They found out what their customers wanted - and since they are very active gamers, they know about forums and communities and how to build a fan base through viral marketing. And they are quite strong in partnering up with other smart indie publishers while still having decent ties with big publishers.

Steam is Smart (not K-mart smart!). But it's still DRM to the max and loved by publishers. OtH, MS simply doesn't give a crap about PC gamers as they cater to the consoles. Steam is PC-originated.
--PC gamers demand better service than consolers evidently (and reward the companies handsomely that cater to their niche - us).
/end analysis
:whiste:

However, in running a tech site, i have to compromise and play games by UbiSoft (for example) with an 'always on' connection even though i *hate* it on principle and would never buy any SP game that demands this. Actually, i don't buy ANY games any longer; they are all supplied by the publisher or Nvidia or AMD.

And of course, my PoV ends up in every game i review (and benchmark) and i single out the worst DRM offenders. It gets back to the publisher and so we can provide a feedback service to them, to ease up on the inconvenience to their paying customers.

The sad thing is that the last release I used in GFWL disabled/removed off line mode I guess they found that not enough folks where having issues so they had to do some work in that area.

Btw are you suggesting they have added offline mode back in ? (last game I played with GFWL was around 3 months ago).

which game? The only way to be sure that GFWL is really in offline mode is to pull the Internet cable; it really tries to connect. At that point you may be able to just cancel the loading screen and play the game offline.

Well, i need to get back to work .. writing.

 

[BladeVenom]

You want Valve to force Microsoft to do something?

Good luck with that dream!

MS views Steam as a "drip under pressure"

Who gives a fuck about MS. How many PC games did they publish last year?

PC gamers view Microsoft as a console only company.

 

[Maximilian]

Ye GFWL is a POS, ill skip any game that comes with that turd attached to it.

 

[Red Storm]

I'm a huge Steam fanboy. If it's not on Steam I'm not playing it. Kinda sucks because I'd like to play Starcraft II and Diablo 3. And Dragon Age 2.

Why won't you play Starcraft 2? Besides that it's simply not on the Steam market, is there a technical reason or something?

 

[Nebor]

Why won't you play Starcraft 2? Besides that it's simply not on the Steam market, is there a technical reason or something?

Just because it's not on Steam.

 

[blackened23]

As much as I love steam, i'll play any game that isn't intrusive or annoying about DRM. So far blizzard hasn't done anything outrageous with their DRM that I know of, of course their biggest properly is a subscription game...so who knows.

GFWL needs to die a fiery death, however.

 

[PingSpike]

At this point GFWL's problems can't even be blamed on growing pains. I have to assume it is designed to be awful in an effort to get people to buy xbox 360 games instead. Which would fit with Microsoft's Modus operandi when it comes to PC Gaming.

 

[shortylickens]

Just because it's not on Steam.

Right now SC2 is the only modern game with easy DRM and online matchmaking service. No one else comes close. Its one of the few non-Steam games I like these days.

 

[MeStinkBAD]

The problem is that MS simply doesn't care about service for PC gamers. They are a platform-centric company. And that goes double for the 800lb gorilla of gaming - EA.
:thumbsdown:

You do know that Microsoft makes a HUGE profit from windows. Where as each console they sell at a loss or break even. Of course, is GFWL any worse than Windows itself? Ask yourself that?

BTW... I would like to point out that EA is the distributor of Valve's games that you find in retail stores.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I just blocked GoWL in FO3 GoTY edition via firewall. When it first popped up I was like "ummm hell no". Hasn't bothered me since.

 

[Rifter]

I just blocked GoWL in FO3 GoTY edition via firewall. When it first popped up I was like "ummm hell no". Hasn't bothered me since.

this works great for single player games but there is no way around it for MP games, unless you pirate them but even then sometimes you cant play MP with a pirate copy.

Although since i always buy the real copy then pirate and install the pirate copy for all GFWL MP games i can usually get the pirate version to work with MP by adding my key to it and still get away with no GFWL. Just takse some time, blood, sweat, and tears, scripting, and drinking lots helps too.

 

[Childs]

I remember with Episodes from Liberty City: Lost and Damned, a message at the beginning said you are not logged into Live, you sure? I'm playing single player, so no. I play for like an hour or two, and then a message pops up saying cannot save because you are not logged into Live....WTF?!?!?! Had to start over. If the game was a little bit crappier, like the regular GTA4, I would have uninstalled at that moment.