If financial reasons were the problem.
I belive filing for bankruptcy (sp) is still legal.
Many people pray on the fact that people dont have the balls to say no. Or are very intimidated by someone in their face and will give anything to get them away.
People on the streets is unfortunate at best.
I take for granted what they dont have, money. I also take for granted that 40-50 hours will be spent earning that money.
It is wrong to hate someone for begging, that comes with the territory. But it DOES get VERY annoying hearing it everywhere your going. Your having a conversation with someone walking down the steet and someone interrupts you.
Their need for that money or crack or nicotine may be greater then your need to continue that conversation or anything else.
But when it comes down to it I believe in darwinism.
There are many rags to riches, or not even riches, but rags to supporting yourself.
Think of all the immigrants that cant even speak english, but happen to build huge corporations.
What you do is mostly your choice what you do. If you have very extensive mental problems then that could be an exception. But there are exceptions in everything.
I do not see it as acceptable to just lie down and give up.
You make your own life, and have the power to make what you need.
I see MANY construction companies that need some one to dig for them.
And im sure you dont need to be clean to do that job.
Its called effort, some put some in, most dont.
I belive filing for bankruptcy (sp) is still legal.
Many people pray on the fact that people dont have the balls to say no. Or are very intimidated by someone in their face and will give anything to get them away.
People on the streets is unfortunate at best.
I take for granted what they dont have, money. I also take for granted that 40-50 hours will be spent earning that money.
It is wrong to hate someone for begging, that comes with the territory. But it DOES get VERY annoying hearing it everywhere your going. Your having a conversation with someone walking down the steet and someone interrupts you.
Their need for that money or crack or nicotine may be greater then your need to continue that conversation or anything else.
But when it comes down to it I believe in darwinism.
There are many rags to riches, or not even riches, but rags to supporting yourself.
Think of all the immigrants that cant even speak english, but happen to build huge corporations.
What you do is mostly your choice what you do. If you have very extensive mental problems then that could be an exception. But there are exceptions in everything.
I do not see it as acceptable to just lie down and give up.
You make your own life, and have the power to make what you need.
I see MANY construction companies that need some one to dig for them.
And im sure you dont need to be clean to do that job.
Its called effort, some put some in, most dont.
I understand a few of the homeless are honest, they did nothing to deserve it, but for each of those there are 99 others trying to make an easy buck without trying to work. NYC is tourist capital of the world, essentially the biggest set of emotional, gullible, foreign people this side of the Atlantic. The "beggars" chose their prey and get rewarded well.
SammySon,I agree,it is very annoying. And there are some really rude beggers,but not all of them are that way.
From my PSY 101 Robert A. Baron, Essentials of PSYCHOLOGY.
In the late 1990s a visit to the downtown area of almost any large American city can be a shock. Huddled in doorways, sprawled on park benches, clustered around open fires in winter are the homeless- people who live on the streets without any permanent home. Such persons are there for many reasons, including economic dislocation and lack of affordable housing, but one important factor is certainly psychological disorders. Many homeless persons are suffering from schizophrenia, mood disorders, and other serious psychological problems. Perhaps as many as one third of the homeless were previously hospitalized but were released when drug therapy reduced their symptoms. With nowhere to go, they turned to the streets, where they frequently yielded to the temptation of alcohol and other drugs. Given the number of persons released from large institutions in recent decades, it is hardly surprising that the ranks of the homeless- and of the chronically mentally ill them-have swelled immensely.
Of course, not all homeless persons are chronically mentally ill; but enough are to suggest the need for new programs designed to get those in need of psychological help into settings where they can receive it. The cost of doing so may be high, but ignoring this problem in the hope that it will go away does not seem to be either a humane solution or a viable one.
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As I am driving to school on the freeway I see homeless people making homes next to the railroad track, when I see this I wonder what the world is coming to? Have we just ignored them and kept on with our busy lives and our SUVs? Life is so short and so precious, I think life should be appreciated it and homeless people do not get to enjoy it as we do. As we go on our computers and open up Christmas gifts I wonder if homeless people once have had the enjoyment of a family setting and a roof over their heads. I've seen homeless kids in Los Angeles and it hurts me every time I see them because they might have come from a broken down home or if they made the choice on the life they are living. If I had the power I would abolish all poverty but I don't. Anyone can change one persons life with a good home cooked meal or a teddy bear for a little girl who never opened a christmas gift. This is the season to be giving, not being hateful.
In the late 1990s a visit to the downtown area of almost any large American city can be a shock. Huddled in doorways, sprawled on park benches, clustered around open fires in winter are the homeless- people who live on the streets without any permanent home. Such persons are there for many reasons, including economic dislocation and lack of affordable housing, but one important factor is certainly psychological disorders. Many homeless persons are suffering from schizophrenia, mood disorders, and other serious psychological problems. Perhaps as many as one third of the homeless were previously hospitalized but were released when drug therapy reduced their symptoms. With nowhere to go, they turned to the streets, where they frequently yielded to the temptation of alcohol and other drugs. Given the number of persons released from large institutions in recent decades, it is hardly surprising that the ranks of the homeless- and of the chronically mentally ill them-have swelled immensely.
Of course, not all homeless persons are chronically mentally ill; but enough are to suggest the need for new programs designed to get those in need of psychological help into settings where they can receive it. The cost of doing so may be high, but ignoring this problem in the hope that it will go away does not seem to be either a humane solution or a viable one.
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As I am driving to school on the freeway I see homeless people making homes next to the railroad track, when I see this I wonder what the world is coming to? Have we just ignored them and kept on with our busy lives and our SUVs? Life is so short and so precious, I think life should be appreciated it and homeless people do not get to enjoy it as we do. As we go on our computers and open up Christmas gifts I wonder if homeless people once have had the enjoyment of a family setting and a roof over their heads. I've seen homeless kids in Los Angeles and it hurts me every time I see them because they might have come from a broken down home or if they made the choice on the life they are living. If I had the power I would abolish all poverty but I don't. Anyone can change one persons life with a good home cooked meal or a teddy bear for a little girl who never opened a christmas gift. This is the season to be giving, not being hateful.
Personally, if you have a NEED to give to the hungry, get a paper grocery sack full of non-perishable items. Carry it in your car with crackers, peanut butter, stuff like that. Offer that instead of cash. Watch how many that ask for $$ refuse to take the foodstuffs. That is why I personally have developed a resentment to the local homeless.
Make donations to salvation army or other organizations, but do NOT give cash directly to beggars.
Make donations to salvation army or other organizations, but do NOT give cash directly to beggars.
Here in Australia, I only sees about 2 beggers every year. Unless I hang arround central station or kings cross (Sydney's red light district), but even then you'd only see 1 or 2 a day at the most.
Consequently, when I travel arround the US or Europe, one of the firsts things I notice are the bloody beggers everywhere. When I was last in Europe I always made a point of giving the 1st begger I see on any given day a bit of small change (unless I was hardup my self that day). Then whenever any more beggers approached me that day I'd tell them they were too late, as I'd already made my daily streetlife donation.
When I was in Paris I was staying in a youth hostel which supplied a limited included breakfast. Consequently the till was mostly unmaned, so I would go back to the counter for seconds & also fill my pockets with breadrolls, yoghurts, fruit & peices of cake, etc. Well anyway there was always this old dero tthat use to hang out in front of the stairs going down to the metro. So I use to sometimes pull an apple or a breadroll out of my pocket & give it to him. One day I wondered into the supermarket next to the metro & they had cans of Belgium beer on special for 2Fs each (about 40c) so I bought heaps & gave him a couple as I walked past, that really made his day.
Considering all the beggers I saw in Europe & the US, there must be hundreds of thousands of them across both the US & Europe. Which means hundreds of thousands of Europeans & Americans owe their jobs to those beggers. Because, by them chosing not to work they free up hundreds of thousands of jobs for other people, that would otherwise be taken up by those beggers themselves.
Consequently, when I travel arround the US or Europe, one of the firsts things I notice are the bloody beggers everywhere. When I was last in Europe I always made a point of giving the 1st begger I see on any given day a bit of small change (unless I was hardup my self that day). Then whenever any more beggers approached me that day I'd tell them they were too late, as I'd already made my daily streetlife donation.
When I was in Paris I was staying in a youth hostel which supplied a limited included breakfast. Consequently the till was mostly unmaned, so I would go back to the counter for seconds & also fill my pockets with breadrolls, yoghurts, fruit & peices of cake, etc. Well anyway there was always this old dero tthat use to hang out in front of the stairs going down to the metro. So I use to sometimes pull an apple or a breadroll out of my pocket & give it to him. One day I wondered into the supermarket next to the metro & they had cans of Belgium beer on special for 2Fs each (about 40c) so I bought heaps & gave him a couple as I walked past, that really made his day.
Considering all the beggers I saw in Europe & the US, there must be hundreds of thousands of them across both the US & Europe. Which means hundreds of thousands of Europeans & Americans owe their jobs to those beggers. Because, by them chosing not to work they free up hundreds of thousands of jobs for other people, that would otherwise be taken up by those beggers themselves.
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Although my limited knowledge of beggars may not allow me to certainly have this opinion I believe that most could and should be employed. The people who you need to look out for are scam-artists the "I'm not a beggar, but I just need some money for the bus" people. These people dress well and you think they're a regular joe down on his luck or forgot his wallet - don't fall for it, they're trying to screw you.
Kids on the street need to get a bloody clue. If they are too good to work for minimum wage they should not feel they are too good to sleep on the street. In Halifax I'm aware personally of seeing about 2-3 people who I believe could not work due to severe retardation, or not having their brain working at all (one guy mumbles and strums a guitar with borken strings all day, he just sits there struming a broken guitar mumbling). Certainly more bums than not could be working. You know how much cash they can make on a bad day? I'm not even talking about NYC where some bums are essentially rich (one story I heard a guy owned a new cadillac and had paid all his kid's educations), but even in this small city some can clear $100/day. This is tax-free money in addition to their welfare checks - not too bloody shabby, eh? I will ocassionally give money to a street performer but anybody who can squegee my car winshield can get a real job.
For those who are physically able to work and willing to do so there are support structures in place to aid in their getting a low-end entry level job.
Kids on the street need to get a bloody clue. If they are too good to work for minimum wage they should not feel they are too good to sleep on the street. In Halifax I'm aware personally of seeing about 2-3 people who I believe could not work due to severe retardation, or not having their brain working at all (one guy mumbles and strums a guitar with borken strings all day, he just sits there struming a broken guitar mumbling). Certainly more bums than not could be working. You know how much cash they can make on a bad day? I'm not even talking about NYC where some bums are essentially rich (one story I heard a guy owned a new cadillac and had paid all his kid's educations), but even in this small city some can clear $100/day. This is tax-free money in addition to their welfare checks - not too bloody shabby, eh? I will ocassionally give money to a street performer but anybody who can squegee my car winshield can get a real job.
For those who are physically able to work and willing to do so there are support structures in place to aid in their getting a low-end entry level job.
I hear that something like 80% of the homeless have some kind of psychological problems. In fact, that dude that pushed that girl in front of a subway train last year was from my HS and supposedly was a very bright guy. I take the subway everyday and I can usually make out the shamsters from the guys with real problems (like those religious evangelists) but I would have to say on average I see a lot more crazy dudes than shamsters.
Case in point:
Walking through the tunnel to the 1,2,3 trains from Port Authority: First guy is a musician (not crazy and not begging so it doesn't count), second guy is a gospel singer (not crazy and not begging so it doesn't count), third guy about 60 has no arms is mumbling stuff asking for money (is crazy and counts), 4th guy has Elephant man syndrome is completely disfigured, blind, has tumors everywhere, his lip is where his cheek should be (sane, definite charity case unfortunately), 5th guy about 45 completely bald on top with long ZZ Top hair and beard just pacing back and forth not asking for anything but people give anyway (is crazy and counts), 6th guy about 30 just sitting there playing an iron pot like its a bongo drum asking for money (probably is sane and just too lazy to get a job). So its something like 2/4 of the guys on part of my normal route have some psychological problems.
When I was visiting Paris last year I noticed a lot more beggars than in NYC. Those guys are just lazy and a result of the generous welfare system there. I wouldn't say that about the homeless in NYC though. A lot of them have some serious problems.
My $0.02.
Case in point:
Walking through the tunnel to the 1,2,3 trains from Port Authority: First guy is a musician (not crazy and not begging so it doesn't count), second guy is a gospel singer (not crazy and not begging so it doesn't count), third guy about 60 has no arms is mumbling stuff asking for money (is crazy and counts), 4th guy has Elephant man syndrome is completely disfigured, blind, has tumors everywhere, his lip is where his cheek should be (sane, definite charity case unfortunately), 5th guy about 45 completely bald on top with long ZZ Top hair and beard just pacing back and forth not asking for anything but people give anyway (is crazy and counts), 6th guy about 30 just sitting there playing an iron pot like its a bongo drum asking for money (probably is sane and just too lazy to get a job). So its something like 2/4 of the guys on part of my normal route have some psychological problems.
When I was visiting Paris last year I noticed a lot more beggars than in NYC. Those guys are just lazy and a result of the generous welfare system there. I wouldn't say that about the homeless in NYC though. A lot of them have some serious problems.
My $0.02.
What a bunch of smug, over-privileged, somnambulatin' honkies. Would you eat dog?
Stay on the cruise ship 'cause it stinks in town.
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"I don't sign nothin'" - Anon.
Stay on the cruise ship 'cause it stinks in town.
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"I don't sign nothin'" - Anon.
In Copenhagen, captial of Denmark, there's quite a few beggars now, but it's not insane...they usually sit near a subway station with a sigh asking kindly for money, and are very polite and rarely violent. We've got little violence in our country, and I almost never hear of homeless being part of it. They gotta keep a good image if they want to get money at all. Also, some of them aren't on the street because they wanted to, or did something wrong....Well, I dunno, I don't give them much, but they're not excactly annoying me.
Some bum tried to sell me a Tom Clancy novel in Miluaukee when i was at the Metal Fest. I told him i didn't know how to read. Lots of bums in Buffalo try to sell you things like 2 dollar walkmans or they ask for "fiddy cent". One bum called me and my woman "Snoop Doggy Dog and his wife". WTF? They should watch some Dolemite movies and become pimps instead of begging for my "fiddy cents".
There's a very easy solution to all of this (it was mentioned earlier).
1.) Donate $ to the Salvation Army and homeless shelters. They'll provide food and shelter for those that are needy and they can do it much better than you can (they're closer to the element and know better how to do the job).
2.) Buy some McD's (of some other restaurant) GCs and hand those out instead of $$$. A person that's really starving will be truly grateful while those that are posing will pass on the offer. Remember, never give a panhandler $$$, you'd just be contributing to the problem.
3.) Be polite if they still try and extort $$$ from you and walk away, don't give them an excuse to get violent.
4.) Support businesses that hire underprivillaged and homeless people, frequent them as often as you can to let them know you admire them.
5.) If a homeless person offers to wash your windows, take out your trash, or do some other chore for a couple $$$ take them up on it. Pay them after the job is done and thank them for doing it. This promotes self-reliance and plants in their mind that good work gets rewards. If they're consistant and consistantly do a good job see about trying to get them employment at a local business you frequent (one of the businesses I mentioned above).
6.) Children in these circumstances need special attention. This is particularly sad and can even be deadly for them to be out on the streets on their own. If they're a teen, notify them of local shelters and crisis centers that can help them and give them some of the GCs that you'll carry around with you. If they're very young keep the number of a local "Home for children" in your address book and call them when you encounter one of these kids. They'll almost always send someone out to help the child and if they don't want to help, call the local police/sheriff's dept and let them know the situation. Likewise, you can also take them to a church and let the minister find some help for them, they have extensive contacts in this area and can help more than you can.
It's not the government's responsibility to help these people, it's YOUR'S. Furthermore, you can do it the right way without doing them any further harm. Use your own common sense in these issues and think with your head and your heart.
1.) Donate $ to the Salvation Army and homeless shelters. They'll provide food and shelter for those that are needy and they can do it much better than you can (they're closer to the element and know better how to do the job).
2.) Buy some McD's (of some other restaurant) GCs and hand those out instead of $$$. A person that's really starving will be truly grateful while those that are posing will pass on the offer. Remember, never give a panhandler $$$, you'd just be contributing to the problem.
3.) Be polite if they still try and extort $$$ from you and walk away, don't give them an excuse to get violent.
4.) Support businesses that hire underprivillaged and homeless people, frequent them as often as you can to let them know you admire them.
5.) If a homeless person offers to wash your windows, take out your trash, or do some other chore for a couple $$$ take them up on it. Pay them after the job is done and thank them for doing it. This promotes self-reliance and plants in their mind that good work gets rewards. If they're consistant and consistantly do a good job see about trying to get them employment at a local business you frequent (one of the businesses I mentioned above).
6.) Children in these circumstances need special attention. This is particularly sad and can even be deadly for them to be out on the streets on their own. If they're a teen, notify them of local shelters and crisis centers that can help them and give them some of the GCs that you'll carry around with you. If they're very young keep the number of a local "Home for children" in your address book and call them when you encounter one of these kids. They'll almost always send someone out to help the child and if they don't want to help, call the local police/sheriff's dept and let them know the situation. Likewise, you can also take them to a church and let the minister find some help for them, they have extensive contacts in this area and can help more than you can.
It's not the government's responsibility to help these people, it's YOUR'S. Furthermore, you can do it the right way without doing them any further harm. Use your own common sense in these issues and think with your head and your heart.
I think some people didn't read my original post carefully.
My main problem is with abusive and nuisance beggars. I don't exist to be abused.
It's not like I'm COMPLETELY heartless. The last time I gave money was to a Rumanian woman with a baby on the tube. She looked deserving and I because of her ethnic knitwear and appearance like my own breed was keen to know where she came from. But generally, I am on the poverty line myself with so little cushion- forget it guys!
I am thinking of taking a secret video camera and asking these bums if they would like one of those packet sandwhiches- then we would see where there real intentions lie!
But mainly I mean you "don't have to be an insolent bum all your life". And I DO think a lot of those people have characterological problems. "Mad or bad"? Some mad, and it's a shame- they shouldn't be there.
My main problem is with abusive and nuisance beggars. I don't exist to be abused.
It's not like I'm COMPLETELY heartless. The last time I gave money was to a Rumanian woman with a baby on the tube. She looked deserving and I because of her ethnic knitwear and appearance like my own breed was keen to know where she came from. But generally, I am on the poverty line myself with so little cushion- forget it guys!
I am thinking of taking a secret video camera and asking these bums if they would like one of those packet sandwhiches- then we would see where there real intentions lie!
But mainly I mean you "don't have to be an insolent bum all your life". And I DO think a lot of those people have characterological problems. "Mad or bad"? Some mad, and it's a shame- they shouldn't be there.
I think you can distinguish the scamsters from the guys who need real help.
One time some jerk off came up to me and asked me for $10 so he can get gasoline for his car. He said he would leave me his car key and get back to me. I took a look at his car key and saw it was some regular house key and told him to f-off.
There are always going to be jerks that try and do minimal work for maximum gain. But I think you should take solace in the fact that you'll be leading a much better life than they are because you don't have to resort to their level. I just try to ignore them.
And if they continue to harass you maybe you should change your cologne. Hehe
One time some jerk off came up to me and asked me for $10 so he can get gasoline for his car. He said he would leave me his car key and get back to me. I took a look at his car key and saw it was some regular house key and told him to f-off.
There are always going to be jerks that try and do minimal work for maximum gain. But I think you should take solace in the fact that you'll be leading a much better life than they are because you don't have to resort to their level. I just try to ignore them.
And if they continue to harass you maybe you should change your cologne. Hehe
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Doggie, i had a guy pull a scam for gas wanting $10 also...I damn near almost gave it to him, but finally didn't. I felt guilty because he really looked upset like he needed it.
You know what? A week later he pulls the EXACT same lines on me. I damn near lost it, I told him where to go and if he ever tries to pull it again I'm going to have to resist not egging him on for a fight. I fvcking hate con-artists. Really hate em. And to think I felt some guilt over this guy the first time; sure makes me cynical to these people. I did give some money to a guy a few years back for his bus, all the money he needed, then driving home 10 min later I saw him begging more. What a POS.
You know what? A week later he pulls the EXACT same lines on me. I damn near lost it, I told him where to go and if he ever tries to pull it again I'm going to have to resist not egging him on for a fight. I fvcking hate con-artists. Really hate em. And to think I felt some guilt over this guy the first time; sure makes me cynical to these people. I did give some money to a guy a few years back for his bus, all the money he needed, then driving home 10 min later I saw him begging more. What a POS.
Last month some dude in a business suit goes up to my friend and asks for $10 because he lost his wallet and needed to buy a train ticket to go home. Being the compassionate guy he is he gave it to him (duh). The next day the guy was in front of my friend's apt. again pulling the same scam. My friend (who is a muscle guy) lost it and nearly threw him into the street. He followed the guy into the subway and told him to get lost or he'd break his neck. So much for being a nice guy.
I try not to give people with stories money. It's a scam 99% of the time.
I try not to give people with stories money. It's a scam 99% of the time.
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