I hate ALL religious

[hungrypete]

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<< yeah, the freaks and children are out to play. You notice you don't see them in the streets cuz they know they are stupid and would be endangering themselves by speaking what is in thier tiny minds. >>

Well, you can poo poo and dismiss what this guy said, put him down and make fun of him, but why not deal with the substantive nature of his post? I asked one and only one person at work what he thought about what has happened this week. This guy grew up in Turkey, is a very smart guy, has been living in the US for double digits. I know that he prides himself on having a lot of knowledge about social anthropology, relavent things in general. His response, terse as it was, I can splay it out for you in total right here: He said that all religions should be destroyed. He feels that they are the framework upon which this activity, and similar activity is built. The conversation stopped there. It was truely probably 1/2 a minute. Make of it what you will. >>



So if a large group of people use computers, and a smaller group of those people use thier computers to commit a crime, that means that computers are the cause of the crimes? While there is a valid point to these situations where religion is concerned, it is still poor logic. The leaders of these groups would be doing the same things with or without religion. True, it gives them a tool to gather followers, but it's still not the source of the problem.

 

[Elledan]

Religions are disposable. Religions have nothing to do with the existance of non-existance of supernatural beings either. They're man-made ideologies.

A world without religions would be a better world, IMHO.

I also agree that religions are for the 'weak' people, namely the people without the willpower to investigate, people who simply accept what they grow up with and never try to look beyond it. Those people are stuck in their own little world.

 

[hungrypete]

<< Religions are disposable. Religions have nothing to do with the existance of non-existance of supernatural beings either. They're man-made ideologies.

A world without religions would be a better world, IMHO.

I also agree that religions are for the 'weak' people, namely the people without the willpower to investigate, people who simply accept what they grow up with and never try to look beyond it. Those people are stuck in their own little world. >>



Or for the people who feel intimidated and have no way else to feel secure. Or for the people who just want to be a part of something. Or the people who really are the personification of a religion's beliefs, ie GOOD people. You lumping all people of faith into 'weak' groups is what is stupid. If you don't see the positive effects religion has on many adults and most children, you are the one who is stuck in your own little world. You should blame oxygen for the stupid things being said here. It's not the brain's fault, it's gotta be the oxygen.

 

[althor27]

Its ok for you guys to hate religion. You think your so friggin smart. You want think so while you roast in hell.

 

[hungrypete]

<< Its ok for you guys to hate religion. You think your so friggin smart. You want think so while you roast in hell. >>



please contribute to the discussion with something more than religious threats.

 

[DannyLove]

then where is the hope? what is faith based on?

I for one don't consider "religions" I consider them as beliefs. And I, do believe. I believe we are not alone. I believe in a supreme being. I believe we were created by God, and I believe we have a purpose in life. Man created religions, and I do agree that since then, it's caused chaos. But that doesn't exclude our belief's.

danny~!

 

[JACKHAMMER]

<< you don't see the positive effects religion has on many adults and most children >>




Do tell, what are these positive effects? Yes, people feel like they belong. But, isn't that the same as with any other group? Wouldn't they join something else if they weren't going to church to meet people on Sunday? I think the the disavantages of religion (ie. built on fear, built in ignorance and arrogance to anything that may interfere w/ gods work,etc) far outweigh any benefit people get. Is getting to know people in religious groups and having a crutch to fall back on worth living in the fear of "the watchful eye of god" and all the garbage that comes with it?

 

[Optimus]

Sad, sad, sad - to use a tradgedy such as this as a soapbox to shout out your same, tired hate speach.

1) The acts yesterday were of extreemist zealots. You can be an extreemist zealot for any number of things - patriotism (Timothy McVeigh), religion, love (stalkers), etc. The exstance of these warped, twisted extreems has NO bearing on the validity of that which is being warped and twisted.

2) Anouncing that religion should be "destroyed" is hate speach. People will always have faith, and be ridiculed and verbally persecuted by people like Elledan for it. You would literaly have to KILL people of faith the world over - massive amounts of them as well above %50 of people alive today profess to belong to a religion.

The last folks to try to "get rid" of religion were Hitler and Stalin.


Here's a novel approach for those of you who can't shut up - LEAVE US ALONE.

Most of those of faith on this forum, along with %99 of those with faith in the world - Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu - are not violent, not predjudiced, and not extreemists.

(Exception - flame idiots like Althor all you want - just aim it at him for being an idiot, not for thinking he has faith)

You hear about the zealot nuts because they devote all their energy to being terrorists, hypocrite TV preachers, and lunatics. You don't hear about the rest of us because we are too busy being friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

And yet you hate us because we quietly believe in God and choose to worship him in our own way.

FOR SHAME.

 

[LAUST]

<< Its ok for you guys to hate religion. You think your so friggin smart. You want think so while you roast in hell. >>


Sorry but if god is a good guy and he burns you in hell for not believing but still being good at heart would that still make him good?

 

[BreakApart]

Can't you smell that?


I smell TROLL!!!!!!!!!

 

[JACKHAMMER]

<< Here's a novel approach for those of you who can't shut up - LEAVE US ALONE. >>



How about you leave us non-believers alone? There isn't a day that goes by that someone doesn't pass out a damn religous flyer or bible around here. Hell, look to Athlon4All's post above. And you wonder why people don't like religion. Geez.

 

[Elledan]

If you need an ideology to support you in this world, you're weak. Some people put their faith in one certain political/economical system, which basically is an ideology as well.

Life is filled with ideologies and none of them is right. Granted, if you're capable of blind faith you can live your life happily while living it according to the ideology you've 'selected'. However, this doesn't change the fact that it's an ideology.

Ideologies are static, and therefore never change. So after a while they die, some quickly, for others it takes a bit longer. But one day they'll be gone and their places will be taken by the next series of ideologies. An ideology is dead. Empty and lifeless. It's a cage, build up out of the bones of the innocent.

And on a sidenote: you don't need to believe in an ideology in order to be a 'good' person.

I admire people who reject every ideology, after having taken the good bits out of it and use it to shape their own, always changing world, and who possess the will power to stand strong in this world without any support.

[edit]: typos.

 

[axelfox]

wow this guy is getting reamed...

 

[althor27]

You can have the views you want and nothing is wrong with that. I responded more with emotion than perhaps I should have, but this whole thread is nothing but bait for flame. This is not a good time for anyone in America (the world in fact) and we should be building one another up...not tearing down. As far as God being good or bad (however you define that). God does not now and never has been limited to these definitions constructed by humanity. To presume that he did wouldn't make him God now would it?

 

[hungrypete]

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<< you don't see the positive effects religion has on many adults and most children >>




Do tell, what are these positive effects? Yes, people feel like they belong. But, isn't that the same as with any other group? Wouldn't they join something else if they weren't going to church to meet people on Sunday? I think the the disavantages of religion (ie. built on fear, built in ignorance and arrogance to anything that may interfere w/ gods work,etc) far outweigh any benefit people get. Is getting to know people in religious groups and having a crutch to fall back on worth living in the fear of "the watchful eye of god" and all the garbage that comes with it? >>




I take it you haven't been to church much. I was raised Catholic, and it instilled alot of great morals in me that i don't see in alot of other people who have never been to church. I believe that children should be exposed to religion to help instill morals. Whether they choose to remain religious is up to them. Not all religions are built on fear. Most are built on love and the desire to make the world a better place. Some people twist things around and shame thier religions, but that is the work of a person, not a group. No one is forcing religion on anyone here in the USA (tho im sick of hearing the government peeps praying, what happened to seperation of church and state?). If you don't like religion, fine, but to insult the people that do like or need it is just wrong of you and it's cruel. You should step back and realize you aren't the only people on Earth, and that sometimes other people's opinions can matter too.

 

[thraashman]

I hate religious zealots. These psychos who do things in the name of their religion when in fact they are going against everything their religion teaches. It's these fanatics screwed up interpretation of their religion that makes it look bad. Unfortunately sometimes I think there are more fanatics out there than there are actual followers.

 

[Muse]

<< From the Grammar and Spelling of this person he/she appears to not be native to English speaking, that combined with his content he/she appears to not be of a greater than 80 I.Q. either >>

I disagree. Not having a good command of English is not a sign of inferior intelligence. This person expressed their thoughts simply and honestly. It accept that at face value. It is that person's viewpoint that religion is the refuge of the "WEAK." I would have to add that people in any religious group or system of belief who can't see beyond their system to realize that others may have valid beliefs and experiences outside of their own adopted (or inherited) system, are indeed "weak" and beyond that - a problem.