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I guess I just don't understand this

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As long as he eats the delicious meat, who cares? I definitely don't get the trophy thing--nothing defines lack of class like hanging an animal head on your wall--but I don't see any significant issue with hunting.

Now, I think it'd be great to mandate hunting with bow or "really sharp knife," and possibly arm the animals in some way to you know, level the field a bit, but whatever. That isn't really reality. I only think it would be humorous.
 
Do you eat meat? If you do, you SHOULD understand it. By doing so you are killing an animal on regular basis regardless.

Some people like to hunt. What is there to understand?

You do realize people/humanity has done this for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of years. Do you really expect it so stop any time soon?

You do realize that past 2000 years to human history is not even 1% of our total time on this planet right? And even then just look how primitive we were.

Heck, just look around and see how primitive we STILL are today!
 
momeNt said:
Thanks for ruining my morning.

That's the most tragic picture I have seen in a long time. Thousands of beautiful creatures, that make the ocean shimmer like a jewel, being dragged to their eventual cruel and unthinkable end.

We should care for the earth and all its inhabitants, love them, nurture them, but instead we inflict our evil humanity on earth and its jewels like a terrible blight.

It's days like today I am ashamed to admit I am human wonder how Earth still accepts our existence.

God Bless.
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Your boner for mother earth amuses me.

Hunting (deer) is a necessity. If you do not understand that then you have never actually looked into it more than a surface glance.

Having opinions with no information behind them is dangerous and childish.

Go eat some granola.
 
chrsmi1 said:
Your boner for mother earth amuses me.

Hunting (deer) is a necessity. If you do not understand that then you have never actually looked into it more than a surface glance.

Having opinions with no information behind them is dangerous and childish.

Go eat some granola.
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It amuses me that a person would cruise the internet looking for opportunities to join forums to make hit posts. My only hope is that the veins in your forehead were bulging when you wrote that.
 
waggy said:
Hunting is necessary. IF not for it would do more damage to the deer population.

I have hunted from the time i was 9 years old. I have taken my 13 and 9 yr old hunting (small game only).

so yeah im pro-hunting and fishing.
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The shitty logic hunters use to rationalize their inability to control the urge to kill is laughable. Control of an animal population may be necessary. Hunting is not necessary to gain that control.
 
Humpy said:
The shitty logic hunters use to rationalize their inability to control the urge to kill is laughable. Control of an animal population may be necessary. Hunting is not necessary to gain that control.
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While not necessary it does provide recreational activity, it's almost entirely self funded via permits, and the check points are largely volunteer based by college kids doing work for environmental/zoological/ect science degrees.
 
Humpy said:
The shitty logic hunters use to rationalize their inability to control the urge to kill is laughable. Control of an animal population may be necessary. Hunting is not necessary to gain that control.
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It's a viable, efficient way to control the population and it's a source of food. You want a more earth friendly way to do it, expand the wolf population. They're very efficient hunters and pose a very minimal risk to humans. They prefer eating herbivores, so they only are a threat to vegans. 🙂
 
FerrelGeek said:
It's a viable, efficient way to control the population and it's a source of food. You want a more earth friendly way to do it, expand the wolf population. They're very efficient hunters and pose a very minimal risk to humans. They prefer eating herbivores, so they only are a threat to vegans. 🙂
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If hunting works why does the deer population continue to increase?
 
momeNt said:
Thanks for ruining my morning.

That's the most tragic picture I have seen in a long time. Thousands of beautiful creatures, that make the ocean shimmer like a jewel, being dragged to their eventual cruel and unthinkable end.

We should care for the earth and all its inhabitants, love them, nurture them, but instead we inflict our evil humanity on earth and its jewels like a terrible blight.

It's days like today I am ashamed to admit I am human wonder how Earth still accepts our existence.

God Bless.
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We aren't some aliens that landed on the planet and ruined the natural course of things. We come from the same pool as these creatures you care so deeply for, yet for some reason what we do is an unholy sin compared to what the rest of the animal world does.

I don't understand this split between "natural" and "un-natural"... everything that's happening today happened through a natural evolution of beings that are capable of far more than anything else in the animal kingdom. Our ability to measure and reflect on our impact to the planet is something that separates us from other creatures, but make no mistake... what we do is just as "natural" as anything else that happens. If you want to use the term "man made" go ahead, but we're just as much a part of this planet as anything else, so everything we've done is perfectly natural. If human beings weren't natural, we wouldn't exist.

There's no argument that we've affected the planet, that's obvious. And I'm sure we're not long for this world either... we certainly wouldn't be the first species that went extinct. I'm just sick of the mindset that humans are not a natural part of this planet.
 
True story: a couple of nights ago our doorbell rang in the middle of dinner. It was a hunter who was asking permission to search the back half of our acre for a deer he had wounded. He had shot the buck with a bow in the woods to the East of us but it had run off, and he had been tracking it for over an hour in the dark in <20F temps. He found it out behind our shed, and I helped him load it onto a sled and then into his pickup. He was a hell of a nice guy, very polite, and determined not to leave a wounded deer in the woods.

That's the sort of ethical hunter I have no issues with whatsoever.
 
gorcorps said:
We aren't some aliens that landed on the planet and ruined the natural course of things. We come from the same pool as these creatures you care so deeply for, yet for some reason what we do is an unholy sin compared to what the rest of the animal world does.

I don't understand this split between "natural" and "un-natural"... everything that's happening today happened through a natural evolution of beings that are capable of far more than anything else in the animal kingdom. Our ability to measure and reflect on our impact to the planet is something that separates us from other creatures, but make no mistake... what we do is just as "natural" as anything else that happens. If you want to use the term "man made" go ahead, but we're just as much a part of this planet as anything else, so everything we've done is perfectly natural. If human beings weren't natural, we wouldn't exist.

There's no argument that we've affected the planet, that's obvious. And I'm sure we're not long for this world either... we certainly wouldn't be the first species that went extinct. I'm just sick of the mindset that humans are not a natural part of this planet.
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If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution). Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.
 
momeNt said:
If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution). Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.
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As has already been mentioned, once you have an apex predator the evolution of the other species can be dictated by that predator. We're very good at killing things, so wouldn't you think that we're capable of stopping any other potential predators from rising up the chain?
 
momeNt said:
If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution). Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.
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No, there aren't.

And yes, there were many diverse human species that were not sapien. Of course you know this, right?

oh fuck it, with each sentence I read in this post I realize that this isn't something you are going to grasp easily. 😀
 
i fish a lot, and do catch and release in freshwater, but when i go into saltwater i fish and eat those fuckers.

am i a bad person?
 
gorcorps said:
We aren't some aliens that landed on the planet and ruined the natural course of things. We come from the same pool as these creatures you care so deeply for, yet for some reason what we do is an unholy sin compared to what the rest of the animal world does.

I don't understand this split between "natural" and "un-natural"... everything that's happening today happened through a natural evolution of beings that are capable of far more than anything else in the animal kingdom. Our ability to measure and reflect on our impact to the planet is something that separates us from other creatures, but make no mistake... what we do is just as "natural" as anything else that happens. If you want to use the term "man made" go ahead, but we're just as much a part of this planet as anything else, so everything we've done is perfectly natural. If human beings weren't natural, we wouldn't exist.

There's no argument that we've affected the planet, that's obvious. And I'm sure we're not long for this world either... we certainly wouldn't be the first species that went extinct. I'm just sick of the mindset that humans are not a natural part of this planet.
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He was replying to my pic of a "super" trawler, which I posted in response to the OP's very obvious trawling post. But to his post: trawling can be a horrible way of going about fishing with an incredible amount of non-target creatures killed and throw away. Bottom trawling in particular is an appalling way to fish, wiping out entire seafloor communities for a few target prey.
 
momeNt said:
If human evolution were true (not saying I doubt the theory of evolution, but there are some doubts about whether or not humans came from evolution).
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No I don't think there are, really. At least no doubts that any serious scientist gives credence to. The fossil record is far, far from complete, and we have no direct antecedent of our species that we can actually look at and study, but that is not unusual. The fossil record is very sparse and hominid fossils are among the rarest of the rare.

momeNt said:
Then wouldn't there be multiple iterations of humans similar to other mammals. If animals are constantly evolving, they should reach the pinnacle of evolution (humanity) eventually. There has been enough time now for more than just 1 ape to stand up straight....

Whether or not it was aliens or some sort of absolutely freak unnatural intervention like an irradiated asteroid, I don't know. But I am pretty sure we are not naturally of this earth.
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You're getting into what the definition of "human" is. We have fossil evidence of hominid species that have sprung from the same genetic branch of life as us. We just don't have a direct antecedent for us yet. Nevertheless your last statement is odd given that we are so obviously born of this planet. We're made of the same stuff it is, evolved to exploit its conditions in specific ways, and share the vast majority of our genome with the rest of the life here. Why would you think we came from somewhere else?

You might enjoy ...

http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Planet-Search-Origins-MacSci/dp/1137278307
 
purbeast0 said:
i fish a lot, and do catch and release in freshwater, but when i go into saltwater i fish and eat those fuckers.

am i a bad person?
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I do the same. for some reason Freshwater fish i can't eat (well very often). but saltwater fish are yummy.

also when fishing saltwater fish tend to be much more fun to real in.
 
Humpy said:
Fair enough. The link doesn't seem to attribute any population decline to hunting.
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Most DNR's don't want populations to decline year after, rather keep stable. Each year they they tinker with different seasons, ways to hunt, ect to encourage or discourage more tags to be filled.

Diseases (Chronic wasting in particular) have claimed huge numbers of deer population and it's spreading rapidly. I remember reading a few years back that something like 14,000 deer in parts of southern Wisconsin were basically exterminated by the state to try and cut down on the infection increase.

As we clear cut down natural habitats for deer they cluster more together and disease spreads faster. More get killed by cars. More get killed by disease. Plus things like extreme winters or drought or flooding can impact breeding and survival rates, especially if populations are already stressed by disease.
 
Markbnj said:
No I don't think there are, really. At least no doubts that any serious scientist gives credence to. The fossil record is far, far from complete, and we have no direct antecedent of our species that we can actually look at and study, but that is not unusual. The fossil record is very sparse and hominid fossils are among the rarest of the rare.



You're getting into what the definition of "human" is. We have fossil evidence of hominid species that have sprung from the same genetic branch of life as us. We just don't have a direct antecedent for us yet. Nevertheless your last statement is odd given that we are so obviously born of this planet. We're made of the same stuff it is, evolved to exploit its conditions in specific ways, and share the vast majority of our genome with the rest of the life here. Why would you think we came from somewhere else?

You might enjoy ...

http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Planet-Search-Origins-MacSci/dp/1137278307
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Things like sunburn. makes no sense.

Obviously scientifically proving a negative is impossible so obviously we can never know something didn't happen. It doesn't matter.
 
Wanton waste: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/akstatutes/16/16.30./16.30.010.

Alaska Stat. § 16.30.010. : Alaska Statutes - Section 16.30.010.: Wanton waste of big game animals and wild fowl.

"(a) It is a class A misdemeanor for a person who kills a big game animal or a species of wild fowl to fail intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence to salvage for human consumption the edible meat of the animal or fowl."

Most US states have similar laws. US hunters are not (legally) out killing just for shits and giggles and letting the meat rot.

We love walking in the woods, the hunt, the stalk and the kill. We respect the animals we harvest and do more to take care of them than the Internet bleeding hearts who never set foot in any kind of wilderness.

And some of us even raise the animals that are harvested for the food on your table. Yet, somehow, hunting and taking a deer for my family is more barbaric than driving through McDonald's for a Big Mac.
 
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