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conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Lazy8s
Originally posted by: OCNewbie
Originally posted by: Lazy8s
Here's my question for all you "you're going to hell people" If God knows everything then he'd know where we'll ultimately end up right? why would he create people who are going to hell?

Here's a double-standard for ya. I think the Christian response to your above question would be "God gives us a chance at life on earth, and we have to prove ourselves, it's up to us to earn our way into Heaven" or whatnot. But if something bad happens in your life, you get paralyzed, or you don't get that job you really wanted, etc., they'll say "I guess it wasn't in God's plan" as if everything is already planned out. If that was so, why would he plan for us to sin and go to hell?

My point exactly. Either:
1) He's not all knowing
2) He doesn't love all of us
3) No one is going to hell

Take your pick.

4) None of the above - He doesn't exist.


;)
 

Isla

Elite member
Sep 12, 2000
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I don't have a problem with Jesus. Jesus is awesome. I have a problem with people who call themselves Christians without first fully understanding the message of Christ. Here's an example.

In the latest of the Left Behind Series, Jesus not only violently destroys the non-believers, but he also smotes their horses. Guess that serves the damn horses for carrying non-Christians! And this is a BEST SELLING series.

How far away from Jesus's message can you get? Jesus showed the way, but he didn't want to be turned into a God. Scolded his apostles for it, too. Yeah, it's in there.... I read it over an over again in Bible study and you can find it for yourself. Unfortunately, people seem to think that the way to heaven is to belong to a club that has the 'right' magic words (Like, "I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior")... but really, heaven is here on earth when you follow a peaceful, compassionate path like the one Jesus taught, whether you happened to be born into a Christian family, a Muslim family, Buddhist family, and so on. I avoid a lot of people who call themselves Christians but are really just identifying with a powerful sociopolitical club. I surround myself with people who may not call themselves Christians (perhaps because they are Asian, or otherwise unconnected to Western Christian culture) but they sure as heck live their lives according the the spiritual principles Jesus taught.

<---Holy Spirit Filled Follower of Christ
 

z0mb13

Lifer
May 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: Isla
I don't have a problem with Jesus. Jesus is awesome. I have a problem with people who call themselves Christians without first fully understanding the message of Christ. Here's an example.

In the latest of the Left Behind Series, Jesus not only violently destroys the non-believers, but he also smotes their horses. Guess that serves the damn horses for carrying non-Christians! And this is a BEST SELLING series.

How far away from Jesus's message can you get? Jesus showed the way, but he didn't want to be turned into a God. Scolded his apostles for it, too. Yeah, it's in there.... I read it over an over again in Bible study and you can find it for yourself. Unfortunately, people seem to think that the way to heaven is to belong to a club that has the 'right' magic words (Like, "I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior")... but really, heaven is here on earth when you follow a peaceful, compassionate path like the one Jesus taught, whether you happened to be born into a Christian family, a Muslim family, Buddhist family, and so on. I avoid a lot of people who call themselves Christians but are really just identifying with a powerful sociopolitical club. I surround myself with people who may not call themselves Christians (perhaps because they are Asian, or otherwise unconnected to Western Christian culture) but they sure as heck live their lives according the the spiritual principles Jesus taught.

<---Holy Spirit Filled Follower of Christ

totally agreed

anyone can follow ANY religion (or not believeing in god at all) and still be good in my view if they life a good life.
What I hate the most is people who practise christianity, feels that they are right and just (and going to heaven), while their behavior is like sh!t...
 

Lazy8s

Golden Member
Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Lazy8s
Originally posted by: OCNewbie
Originally posted by: Lazy8s
Here's my question for all you "you're going to hell people" If God knows everything then he'd know where we'll ultimately end up right? why would he create people who are going to hell?

Here's a double-standard for ya. I think the Christian response to your above question would be "God gives us a chance at life on earth, and we have to prove ourselves, it's up to us to earn our way into Heaven" or whatnot. But if something bad happens in your life, you get paralyzed, or you don't get that job you really wanted, etc., they'll say "I guess it wasn't in God's plan" as if everything is already planned out. If that was so, why would he plan for us to sin and go to hell?

My point exactly. Either:
1) He's not all knowing
2) He doesn't love all of us
3) No one is going to hell

Take your pick.

4) None of the above - He doesn't exist.


;)


touche :beer:
 

V00D00

Golden Member
May 25, 2003
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I bet acid would have similar effects, and you wouldn't be so bored sitting in church.
 

hasu

Senior member
Apr 5, 2001
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I believe in God too, when I cannot explain things (or know of anybody or heard of anybody who could) around us and think about where I came from and where I am going to... the whole universe is mysterious!

But I heard somebody asking "Can God create a stone which God cannot lift?"
Food for thought, right?
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Ah blablalabal oga booga da funkel blabble!

Wow, you're right. It must be god speaking through me!!!
 

trexpesto

Golden Member
Jun 3, 2004
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My point exactly. Either:
1) He's not all knowing
2) He doesn't love all of us
3) No one is going to hell

Take your pick.



4) None of the above - He doesn't exist.

5) Indecisive
6) He thinks well whatever happens - that's my plan
Edit: She?
Edit again: It. Definately not a male or female like we understand.