I got my free iPod!!!

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: thejackal1

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're saying you could have used the dough toward any player, but got the most expensive one with the worst sound quality, fewest features, lowest battery life, and most gaudy looks? Um... congrats?

I guess you never used one before.

I have, not that it matters - my statement was based mostly on facts about it.

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Hmm, I think he actually went for the mp3 player with the best design and user interface.

Subjective, not factual. Personally I think it's designed like crap. Bright white plastic and bright lights? I liked that sorta toy - when I was 10. Not everyone enjoys a user interface that treats them like a 5 year old either; actually a lot don't, judging by how few Mac users there are

Macs rule.

yes..they do

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck
You got me there, good call.

Exactly.

Yep, one point out of.. what six?

Two for two

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck
You got me there, good call.

Exactly.

Yep, one point out of.. what six?

Two for two

I don't follow - you haven't addressed iPods' low sound quality, lack of wma/flac/ogg support, high pricetag, lack of features, and low battery life.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're saying you could have used the dough toward any player, but got the most expensive one with the worst sound quality, fewest features, lowest battery life, and most gaudy looks? Um... congrats?

lmao, bad sound quality...ignant knob

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: thejackal1

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're saying you could have used the dough toward any player, but got the most expensive one with the worst sound quality, fewest features, lowest battery life, and most gaudy looks? Um... congrats?

I guess you never used one before.

I have, and I will always take my iRiver over an iPod.

EDIT: CheapArse, compared to most other HDD based players. The iPod has far inferior sound quality. And to address the "#1 Selling mp3 player", I'd like to say one reason is because not many people know other brands exist. I speak of that from experience. Some of my friends didn't know other brands had them until I showed them my iRiver.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck
Subjective, not factual. Personally I think it's designed like crap. Bright white plastic and bright lights? I liked that sorta toy - when I was 10. Not everyone enjoys a user interface that treats them like a 5 year old either; actually a lot don't, judging by how few Mac users there are

Whoa whoa you're slamming the Mac because not many people buy it? Well, the iPod IS #1 selling HD-based mp3 player you know... so by your logic the iPod is a good mp3 player.

You got me there, good call. Subjectivity doesn't belong here (although I do feel it looks like a child's toy).

Factual statements about the iPod stand though; low SQ, most expensive, few features, low battery life, no ogg/flac/wma support.

Its SQ isn't the best out of all the HD based DAPs, but far from being low, stop bsing. Most expensive? No, the iriver iHP-120 is the same price. Low battery life I will somewhat agree on, but the new rating of 12hrs isnt much lower than 16 that the other HD based players get. Few features? Sure, Ill give you that one, few features when compared to other HD players.

And yes on the support.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're saying you could have used the dough toward any player, but got the most expensive one with the worst sound quality, fewest features, lowest battery life, and most gaudy looks? Um... congrats?

lmao, bad sound quality...ignant knob

This post speaks for itself, it says "the only people who could like iPods are too dumb to spell two very simple words"... at any rate the iPods suffer from low sound quality for two quite indisputable reasons:

1) 0.42% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion, since I know you haven't a clue what that means). 0.1% is considered noticeable. iRivers have 0.03%.

2) Bass range attenuation, which makes for less accurate musical reproduction. Since accurate musical reproduction equals sound quality, looks like the iPod is out there too.

Further, they have a crap EQ which doesn't even allow a pathetic attempt to fix these problems.

One source of many...

Noob.

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Gurck
You're saying you could have used the dough toward any player, but got the most expensive one with the worst sound quality, fewest features, lowest battery life, and most gaudy looks? Um... congrats?

lmao, bad sound quality...ignant knob

This post speaks for itself, it says "the only people who could like iPods are too dumb to spell two very simple words"... at any rate the iPods suffer from low sound quality for two quite indisputable reasons:

1) 0.42% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion, since I know you haven't a clue what that means). 0.1% is considered noticeable. iRivers have 0.03%.

2) Bass range attenuation, which makes for less accurate musical reproduction. Since accurate musical reproduction equals sound quality, looks like the iPod is out there too.

Further, they have a crap EQ which doesn't even allow a pathetic attempt to fix these problems.

One source of many...

Noob.

christ did an ipod steal your girlfriend or something

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: PoPPeR
christ did an ipod steal your girlfriend or something

Yes

 

[VietDude]

iRiver owns the iPod

 

[SilentRavens]

Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

 

[Rudee]

whoop-de-doo

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: aphex
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CC employee I presume

"Former" CC Employee..... No time to work this semester....

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

Dude..instead of doing all that, just name a better player, and why it is better.

 

[Kipper]

Congratulations...welcome to the family.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

Dude..instead of doing all that, just name a better player, and why it is better.

"better" is very subjective. Does the reader prefer low price? Sound quality? Plentiful features? Which player is best for them depends on these things, and naming a better player would mean knowing the personal preferences of everyone wondering and answering on an individual basis. However, the iPod falls short in all areas.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Two for two

I don't follow - you haven't addressed iPods' low sound quality, lack of wma/flac/ogg support, high pricetag, lack of features, and low battery life.

Meant two for two as in two threads.

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

The market sets the price, not Apple. Obviously Apple has something if people are willing to spend more for their product. I recommend picking up a book about economics and capitalism.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck
You got me there, good call.

Exactly.

Yep, one point out of.. what six?

Two for two

I don't follow - you haven't addressed iPods' low sound quality,

I'm sure it is fine for most people. Audiophiles always have to buy bigger.

lack of wma/

Crap.

flac

The two people using it might be pissed.

/ogg

Doesn't matter.

support, high pricetag,

It's tough to find anything that is better.

lack of features,

It plays mp3s. It's small. It plays mp3s. What more do you want?

and low battery life.

Is there a hard drive mp3 player, the same size or smaller, for less money, that works on both Macs and x86 based PCs, that has a better battery life?

The look is a standard.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Gurck complains about iPod's horrible sound quality yet bitches about incompatibility with wma? wtf?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

Dude..instead of doing all that, just name a better player, and why it is better.

"better" is very subjective. Does the reader prefer low price? Sound quality? Plentiful features? Which player is best for them depends on these things, and naming a better player would mean knowing the personal preferences of everyone wondering and answering on an individual basis. However, the iPod falls short in all areas.

So you can't name one that beats it..overall...you just continue to bash it. Name a player that beats it in every category.

 

[loup garou]

..sigh...not that gurck isn't a troll, but I have to help him out a little:

Is there a hard drive mp3 player, the same size or smaller, for less money, that works on both Macs and x86 based PCs, that has a better battery life?

Rio Karma will work on any os that can run java apps.

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Gurck complains about iPod's horrible sound quality yet bitches about incompatibility with wma? wtf?

wma sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrates. Period.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SilentRavens
Gurck STFU, you come and trash any thread that even mentions iPods. Why don't you go do something with your life.

Only one trashing the thread is you. All I've done is spoken factually about it and asserted my opinion on its looks. If you can't handle the fact that it isn't very good and is overpriced, perhaps you should take this up with Apple - but not me.

Dude..instead of doing all that, just name a better player, and why it is better.

"better" is very subjective. Does the reader prefer low price? Sound quality? Plentiful features? Which player is best for them depends on these things, and naming a better player would mean knowing the personal preferences of everyone wondering and answering on an individual basis. However, the iPod falls short in all areas.

So you can't name one that beats it..overall...you just continue to bash it. Name a player that beats it in every category.

iAudio M3

 

[Gurck]

I won't quote the above posts so as to keep my post from taking up 3 feet of vertical space.

powermak4000 - two threads in which... what? You seem to have a fairly skewed view of reality, I'm very anxious to hear your interpretation of the outcome of this thread and the last in which we spoke. And the market only plays a secondary role in setting prices. I've taken far more courses in, and read far more on economics than you (just assuming this based on my age being roughly twice yours and your tendency to spout off at the mouth on internet forums vs. my tendency to do things like read and learn). The iPod is priced highly for the same reason AOL internet is - there's a higher demand for it, and a company willing to exploit this. Is AOL better? Are iPods better? I'd prefer we look at factual information to determine this. However, you seem a bit reluctant to do so....

n0c - I'm far from an audiophile. My choice of sound card and headphones would get me laughed straight off of an audiophile site like head-fi.org (yes it's also a headphone site, but most posters are hardcore audiophiles), yet I insist that IMO they're good components. Your dismissal of other file formats is related to your dismissal of sound quality, so see the above for details on that. I prefer ogg over mp3, and flac over both - many people who own sound systems of some quality agree with me, though those with low quality sound systems (like an iPod) can't tell the difference. Further, it's my opinion that the iPod's low SQ is intentional, and serves to mask the low SQ of music bought through iTunes. On features, more is better. You saying they don't matter is the equivalent to saying a Yugo = a Ferarri because they both transport you from point A to point B.

Edit:

Originally posted by: Excelsior
So you can't name one that beats it..overall...you just continue to bash it. Name a player that beats it in every category.

iRivers

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: werk
..sigh...not that gurck isn't a troll, but I have to help him out a little:

Is there a hard drive mp3 player, the same size or smaller, for less money, that works on both Macs and x86 based PCs, that has a better battery life?

Rio Karma will work on any os that can run java apps.

I don't see a size mentioned, no battery life mentioned, it's not cheaper, doesn't mention if it can be used as just a hard drive (bootable and all), and no firewire. Not bad though. Definitely like the look of the ipod better, and I hate java.