HomeBrewerDude
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waggy
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If you go in ask for court supervision they should grount it. But you will still have to pay the fine But it will not go on your file.
As for getting out of it i wouldnt even try. Odds are if you fight it the cop will show up and tell the judge what really happened. I dont think that would be a good idea but hey go for it! i wanna see the complaints after that!
As for getting out of it i wouldnt even try. Odds are if you fight it the cop will show up and tell the judge what really happened. I dont think that would be a good idea but hey go for it! i wanna see the complaints after that!
I don't mind paying the fine as much, I'll just consider it payment for my stupidity. But the 2 points (that go on my record for 2 (or 3?) years) and the hike in insurance I feel is a bit harsh for stupidity. I won't do it again (actually probably won't even return to that area again after court) and isn't that what the legal system is about - rehabilitation. Anyway if there are any other suggestions that would be great.
I didn't notice the "Careless" , didn't know there was such a thing, interesting. Guess I'm "Careless ATOT Topic Reading"
2 points and a fine. Could live with that without going to court.
Good thread people.
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But the 2 points (that go on my record for 2 (or 3?) years)
The bad news seems to be that the points stay on your driver history record in New Jersey forever. The good news is that you can get credits to offset them. 2 credits for an approved defensive driving course, 3 for a course and one year without violations. Your current driver status would show the point total minus any credits.
So do nothing and you get credits to offset the points in 2 years of violation-free driving. Complete a course and you can get the credits sooner.
The bad news seems to be that the points stay on your driver history record in New Jersey forever. The good news is that you can get credits to offset them. 2 credits for an approved defensive driving course, 3 for a course and one year without violations. Your current driver status would show the point total minus any credits.
So do nothing and you get credits to offset the points in 2 years of violation-free driving. Complete a course and you can get the credits sooner.
It was careless, not reckless. There?s a big old difference, namely, intent.
Whatever. Were I a cop, I would show someone the radar if and only if I was required to do so, by law, in my state. But this isn?t a speeding ticket. So that?s not even an issue.
It?s not a ?reckless driving? ticket either. It?s for careless driving. Once again, there?s a big difference.
That?s the truth! Give me a valid address and a good street map. I?ll get there. My way.
If you do get points, insurance companies can?t hold it against you forever. I have quite the long driving record, starting with a ticket for driving without a license 4 days shy of my 16th birthday, and leading through a pile of 6-7 speeding tickets. My long record shows up on cops? in-car computers, at the county hearing office, anywhere there is somebody with access to that information. BUT, since that was all well over 3 years in the past, as far as insurance companies are concerned, my record is 100% free of violations.
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by talking to a judge or hearing officer (through whatever procedure is set forth by your state or county) and explaining the truth and showing remorse. You might walk out free and clear, you might pay a fine and get no points, you might get a probationary period after which the record is expunged, or you might get yet another lecture. Once again though, you?ve got nothing to lose.
Good luck.
Actually I might look into getting a gps when I get a new car (probably not for another 2 years). I have maps for PA, but not jersey. I don't like those huge map books I usually only get maps of a certain area, they're clearer.
It seems like the plea bargaining thing might be the best route so far -- unless someone knows for sure if they have probation before judgement in NJ. The less I have to talk the better, I feel I might get a bit nervous in front of a judge. I guess on the bright side of things, I get to see how our judicial system works, I've never been to court before.
ticket quotas are a myth.
the revenue from these tickets goes back to the state and then get evenly distributed amongst the various counties.
the revenue from these tickets goes back to the state and then get evenly distributed amongst the various counties.
A police officer is not required to show you the radar even if you asked. More than likely he won't show it to you.
waggy
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thats what some people have said. You go to court and pay the fine + court cost. you then get supervision from the court. If you get onother speeding ticket in a year the first ticket plus the new one will go on your file. If you go the year without getting onother ticket then does not go on your file.
i have done it a few times. it kept my record clean. wich saves me a bundle on insurance cost.
oh here in IL they also make you go to driving school. but no big deal it keeps it off your record!
psyber, follow your trail back, slowly (dont want another ticket). double check to see if you passed any "speed limit" signs. if you see one, you're in trouble. plea it down. if you dont see one, you're fine, since you dont see one. take a video camera if you can. if the speed limit sign is obstructed in anyway, you are still good.
GroundedSailor
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That may not be an option in NJ - but I could be wrong.
Like I said earlier his best bet is to go to court & plea bargain to a no-point offense, pay the fine and forget about it. It happens every day in NJ courts. In one court I attended the Judge gave a detailed explanation of how traffic offenses are dealt with (with details of plea bargaining and how to get down to no points etc. etc.) and then took a break so that everyone could go line up outside the prosecutors office. It was like a production line in there - state your name - prosecutor looks at your driving record printout - he makes his offer - you counter with something like, "I'll pay the fine but I don't want points" - you come to an agreement - prosecutor says, "next" - once the queue is dealt with court is back in session - when your turn comes, stand in front of the judge - say a few words, mostly 'guilty', 'yes your Honor', 'no your honor', 'thank you your honor' - go out to the office window - pay your fine - go home. The Cop may or may not show up but is not going to buck this system unless you start taking some funny steps like accusing the cop, or ask to see radar calibration records.
Its a fairly straightforward procedure and is the easiest way to go for speeding tickets. Accidents are a different matter.
Tickets suck, but here's the deal. Either you (the general "you", not just Psyber) were doing it on purpose and you deserve a ticket, or you did it by accident and you still deserve a ticket for driving and not paying attention. Either way, it's hard to get out of a ticket when you actually were doing something illegal. And I don't think the "Well I wasn't paying attention to the speed limits." defense is going to help.
They may not formally have quotas, but you can be damn sure that cops are under pressure to earn revenue and give out tickets. Otherwise you think they they would give out so many? Some of them are crooked, but a lot of them know it is bullsh!t.
There is no quota, but some departments base promotions and evaluations on ticket performance. This is to the chagrin of 99% of all officers.
I would show up to court and argue that by doing so, you prove that you care about your driving, as the ticket is for careless driving.
Sample spiel:
"Your Honor, I have been cited for careless driving. I care. I really do. I've cared for seven years, and I care now. Hearing this case to you must be equivalent to hearing one mental health patient at Saint <insert-saint-here>'s Mental Health Care attempting to sue another patient for a noise violation. I was lost, and I did speed, but I did so safely as there were neither other vehicles around nor proper signs to indicate the established speed limit for that road. As you can see by this map (yank map out of folder), I was traveling on this road about a mile after leaving the highway. I had no idea I was in a residential zone. For these reasons, I humbly request that this citation not mar my -- up until this juncture -- perfect driving record."
Sample spiel:
"Your Honor, I have been cited for careless driving. I care. I really do. I've cared for seven years, and I care now. Hearing this case to you must be equivalent to hearing one mental health patient at Saint <insert-saint-here>'s Mental Health Care attempting to sue another patient for a noise violation. I was lost, and I did speed, but I did so safely as there were neither other vehicles around nor proper signs to indicate the established speed limit for that road. As you can see by this map (yank map out of folder), I was traveling on this road about a mile after leaving the highway. I had no idea I was in a residential zone. For these reasons, I humbly request that this citation not mar my -- up until this juncture -- perfect driving record."
I had a friend get a similar ticket, but it was for something unrelated. Your ability to get out of this ticket is going to come down to the judge. Some would be understanding, but others would say that you should be going slower when lost and that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I mean, I hate when people speed down my street no matter what. But it does suck. But 2 points isnt too bad. Could have been much worse.
-doug
-doug
Speed traps piss me off the most. I got a nasty ticket for going only slightly faster than the prevailing traffic, which was going much faster than the low 45mph speed limit on a freeway. I should probably mention that there were about 15 cop cars at this speed trap and this happened near downtown.. city was hurting for money probably.
I remember driving with my friend in a tunnel once where the limit was also 45mph but just about everyone was going 20mph over that, and I do mean everyone, except my friend who was going the speed limit. Because all the lanes in the tunnel were double-lined, people were reluctant to pass my friend so we had a line of about 20-30 cars behind us, and a few of them got really pissed off and pulled out and gave us the typical road-rage reaction: swerve in front, brake hard etc..
We finally got out of the tunnel where the limit was still 45 on this 6 lane freeway, and we saw a cop hiding on the side next to the exit of the tunnel. There was no way in hell you'd see him before it was too late. I'm surprised he didn't have anyone stopped.. really, he could have had his pick! Maybe he was asleep, it was 10pm after all
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