GroundedSailor
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What she says is basically how it works in NJ. Nearly everyone I know has gotten a ticket at some time or the other (NJ is the ticket mafia state) and usually ends up going to court and bargaining with the prosecutor. It a system that works everyday in the courts. You will be called to meet & discuss your case with the prosecutor and sometimes its bargaining like a fish market (been through the process 2 times - once caught doing 90 in 65 and got away with no points and $130 fine). So that is a route well worth trying if you want to keep your record clean of points & keep your insurance down.
I have not heard of probation in NJ but I could be wrong.
The NMA is a good site to check out too.
& lastly you can use the excuse that you were lost & didn't know what the speed limit was, but there is a basic principal of law that ignorance of the law is no excuse so I doubt that excuse will get you anywhere.
Your best bet is to find a lawyer in that town who deals with traffic offences - virtually guaranteed you will not get any points.
BTW which town was this in?
Thanks sugggestions are getting better. It was near Camden (thus I was trying to get out of there ASAP) in Merchantville I believe ( I don't even know if I could find my way back there (I live in the PA boonies near Lansdale). Do you know how much a lawyer would cost?
First ignore everyone that says pay the fine, you were speeding so you should pay and etc. Now open yellow page and find traffic lawyer. As you stated in your original post you don't care about the fine which is actually good because you will need to spend some more money on lawyer. The lawyer should be able to get your ticket down to parking ticket. The fine will be same as if you were speeding but you will not get any points
Second option. Go and talk to local DA in that area. Most of the times you can get them to agree to charge you with parking violation in exchange that you pay the fine and good luck.
edit i see 4Lclovergirl beat me to my the lawyer part
Second option. Go and talk to local DA in that area. Most of the times you can get them to agree to charge you with parking violation in exchange that you pay the fine and good luck.
edit i see 4Lclovergirl beat me to my the lawyer part
GroundedSailor
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Ouch! Camden is bad & that area is confusing. I live about 5 miles away in Voorhees & I don't go into Camden. Which court have you been assigned to? I would estimate a lawyer to cost between $150-350.
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I'f I were a judge I wouldn't let you get out of it. You didn't ask to see the radar, which to me would imply that you admit to speeding. The cop already saw that you had no record and reduced the penalty, but you're just not getting out of going 20 over. As I was told by a cop once (who gave me a warning): "Ignorance is no excuse".
So my "advice" is to buck up and pay the fine. Traffic tickets don't mean anything anyway (unless you're worried about your insurance). You'll get your points back with time.
So my "advice" is to buck up and pay the fine. Traffic tickets don't mean anything anyway (unless you're worried about your insurance). You'll get your points back with time.
well, just tell him what you told us...most likely they will reduce the charges, but wont eliminate them... it couldn't hurt, if you are telling the truth then you could go on the premise of "hey, $hit happens".
I cant stand people like you.
Mr. Perfect. Everything you do is dandy.
Its nice you have a great driving record. Ignorence is not a defence. Being lost doesnt mean you can speed. Its like saying, I was lost, I didnt know I coulndt drive around with high beams, or O really? its not a 55 zone? If you had been driving around an hour lost, you would've been going slower looking for street names. You also would've seen a speed limit sign.
Yes you probaly could get off by going to court, but man, what an a__. Wasting the legal systems time. Just pay up.
Dont even get me started on no fault accidents. IMO like 95% of accidents do have fault. Driving too fast /stupidly is fault.
Edit: Forgot to mention the cop. What a friggin nice guy. He already took into consideration your predicament and helped you out. What the heck more do you need? How bout the court pay you? For your troubles. Might as well sue yahoo maps.
Mr. Perfect. Everything you do is dandy.
Its nice you have a great driving record. Ignorence is not a defence. Being lost doesnt mean you can speed. Its like saying, I was lost, I didnt know I coulndt drive around with high beams, or O really? its not a 55 zone? If you had been driving around an hour lost, you would've been going slower looking for street names. You also would've seen a speed limit sign.
Yes you probaly could get off by going to court, but man, what an a__. Wasting the legal systems time. Just pay up.
Dont even get me started on no fault accidents. IMO like 95% of accidents do have fault. Driving too fast /stupidly is fault.
Edit: Forgot to mention the cop. What a friggin nice guy. He already took into consideration your predicament and helped you out. What the heck more do you need? How bout the court pay you? For your troubles. Might as well sue yahoo maps.
dude. small world, i know lansdale. come on, it's not the boonies, not even close. camden to lansdale isnt too hard... unless you just couldn't find any main road out of camden and across the bridge. nm you werent in camden. that sucks. i hate being lost. 19 over is gonna be hard to get dropped. but, why ask AT? find someone who would know for sure. i dont think i posted in this thread, just a few other ticket threads. 19 over is too much. less than 10 over for a PA driver in NJ is a fine only, that i know for certain. other than that, i cant say. i would double check to make sure his giving you what he gave you really helps in the longrun, that's all i know.
find out for sure, do some checking. just read the rest, the advice about a lawyer/trying to get it pleaded to fine only, specially with a previously clean record sounds like the way to go.
-Krugger
I don't know anywhere in the midwest/east where 19mph over the limit is reckless driving. Hell, i got a ticket for 52 in a 30 in the 'burbs of IL, and that was one of the most laughable tickets I've ever gotten.
Aside from that, though, you keep saying you didn't know the speed limit. If it's a residential area, I have always been under the impression that it is 25mph.
how can you convince the judge that you weren't speeding when your ticket is for RECKLESS DRIVING.
you can always complain that you weren't driving recklessly, but the fact is, the only reason you got ticketed for it is because you were speeding and the cop wanted to give you a break. he helped you out by making something up so you could pay a smaller fee and now you're trying to fight it? sounds difficult.
you can always complain that you weren't driving recklessly, but the fact is, the only reason you got ticketed for it is because you were speeding and the cop wanted to give you a break. he helped you out by making something up so you could pay a smaller fee and now you're trying to fight it? sounds difficult.
Since you are from PA and you got a ticket in NJ, doesn't that qualify as an out of state ticket? Here in NY, if you get an out of state ticket, it doesn't go on your record. (except for NJ and CT tickets since they have some kind of deal going.)
This was what a NJ cop told me 2 years ago who by the way let me get away with just a warning for going 77 in a 65 zone.
-Shmorq
This was what a NJ cop told me 2 years ago who by the way let me get away with just a warning for going 77 in a 65 zone.
-Shmorq
So I was hunting one night, it was real real dark and I guess I got lost.. I ended up in a residential area and shot a couple people.. help please?!
I don't get most people on this board. Are most you never speed and if you do and get ticket, do you just pay the ticket and shut up? Why such a negative comments to his question? All he asked is for assistance on what is the best way to fight ticket, allot of you just say pay it and forget it, why due that when car insurance will go up automatically. If he fights at least he has some chances of winning.
Good discussions going on in here.
Only thing not brought up was if he just got off the Highway as this area is apparently very close to the exit ramp is did he have ample signage posting the very low 25 MPH limit? The signs could've easily been 30 or 35 MPH thus lessening the severity of the 19 MPH over the limit.
This was the middle of the night where kids should not be playing in the streets as some people suggested in here and there was no other obvious traffic to help dictate what is the normal traffic flow of speed either.
This Cop may have seemed to be "nice" but he obviously was looking to fill revenue and ticket quota.
He should have received a warning. This is not a case of "Reckless Driving". Please
Good luck in your small fight. You just didn't have luck being in the wrong place at the wrong time for this obvious Revenue stop.
Only thing not brought up was if he just got off the Highway as this area is apparently very close to the exit ramp is did he have ample signage posting the very low 25 MPH limit? The signs could've easily been 30 or 35 MPH thus lessening the severity of the 19 MPH over the limit.
This was the middle of the night where kids should not be playing in the streets as some people suggested in here and there was no other obvious traffic to help dictate what is the normal traffic flow of speed either.
This Cop may have seemed to be "nice" but he obviously was looking to fill revenue and ticket quota.
He should have received a warning. This is not a case of "Reckless Driving". Please
Good luck in your small fight. You just didn't have luck being in the wrong place at the wrong time for this obvious Revenue stop.
You should be glad you werent in PA and got that ticket.. My first ticket(only) ticket was 41mph in 25 zone.. it was a $170 ticket PLUS 4 points.
Originally posted by: Shmorq
Since you are from PA and you got a ticket in NJ, doesn't that qualify as an out of state ticket? Here in NY, if you get an out of state ticket, it doesn't go on your record. (except for NJ and CT tickets since they have some kind of deal going.)
This was what a NJ cop told me 2 years ago who by the way let me get away with just a warning for going 77 in a 65 zone.
-Shmorq
I know SD and MN have this deal (found out first hand).
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Good discussions going on in here.
Only thing not brought up was if he just got off the Highway as this area is apparently very close to the exit ramp is did he have ample signage posting the very low 25 MPH limit? The signs could've easily been 30 or 35 MPH thus lessening the severity of the 19 MPH over the limit.
This was the middle of the night where kids should not be playing in the streets as some people suggested in here and there was no other obvious traffic to help dictate what is the normal traffic flow of speed either.
This Cop may have seemed to be "nice" but he obviously was looking to fill revenue and ticket quota.
He should have received a warning. This is not a case of "Reckless Driving". Please
Good luck in your small fight. You just didn't have luck being in the wrong place at the wrong time for this obvious Revenue stop.
Very good point... What was the posted limit? Let the judge know that you weren't speeding intentionally.
There are areas (residential, buisness, etc) that have understood speed limits. You learn that during driver's training.
Again, ignorance of the speed limit is not an excuse.
If this ticket is from out of state, wouldn't it just be easier to pay it and admit that you were speeding as opposed to taking half a day off of work/school just to go to a court date?
Again, ignorance of the speed limit is not an excuse.
If this ticket is from out of state, wouldn't it just be easier to pay it and admit that you were speeding as opposed to taking half a day off of work/school just to go to a court date?
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Only thing not brought up was if he just got off the Highway as this area is apparently very close to the exit ramp is did he have ample signage posting the very low 25 MPH limit?
He didn't just get off the highway - "I just got off the highway a mile back..."
He should have received a warning. This is not a case of "Reckless Driving".
He didn't get charged with reckless driving - "I have given you a ticket for careless driving..."
Careless driving 2 points
Reckless driving 5 points
Speeding 15-29 mph over limit 4 points.
He didn't just get off the highway - "I just got off the highway a mile back..."
He should have received a warning. This is not a case of "Reckless Driving".
He didn't get charged with reckless driving - "I have given you a ticket for careless driving..."
Careless driving 2 points
Reckless driving 5 points
Speeding 15-29 mph over limit 4 points.
GroundedSailor
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Camden is not like other places. The roads are confusing as are the street signs and it is easy to get lost. And Camden is not the place to get lost in -considered by many to be the worst city in NJ (& that says a lot). Its the drug & crime capital. If I have to go there I either take the train or the oldest vehicle in the company. Park a halfway decent car in some parts of Camden and you'll prob never see it again. If I were lost in Camden (& I have been) I would lock my doors and get out of there the fastest way I can.
Given that background Camden cops are, naturally, tough customers who will not give you a break. His best bet is to go to court and make a deal with the prosecutor. Plea bargaining is almost the norm for speeding tickets in NJ.
So cut the guy some slack. Yes he should have been driving slower but who hasn't exceeded the speed limit even in residential areas. He's asking for advice on what to do next, not a detailed analysis of traffic laws.
Given that background Camden cops are, naturally, tough customers who will not give you a break. His best bet is to go to court and make a deal with the prosecutor. Plea bargaining is almost the norm for speeding tickets in NJ.
So cut the guy some slack. Yes he should have been driving slower but who hasn't exceeded the speed limit even in residential areas. He's asking for advice on what to do next, not a detailed analysis of traffic laws.
Yeah I had to correct my post about that it is careless driving I got, not reckless driving (I didn't know the difference before this incident). I'm glad I'm getting some constructive info now. I'm not a big poster and I was starting to regret even starting the thread. Thanks to those of you that have given me some good info thus far.
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