The point that you added physical assault to the mix when all we were talking about for the entire thread was using words.
Obviously you'd NEVER arrest anyone for simply acknowledging their rights to you when asked a question. Or you would, but you'd claim they spit at you afterwards. Nice police work. :thumbsup:
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Their main interest is in arresting somebody. Unless you are just a casual witness, never talk to them without your lawyer. Do not invite them into your home. Tell them they do not have permission to search your car. Get the blackberry out and record audio and video of the whole interaction.
JR
i have two answers based on how fast i really was goin (we all know how fast we were going)
5-15mph over... i say "my guage said the speed limit, it obviously needs to be checked"
15+ i say "i really dont know. i had it on cruise control and i wasnt looking at the speedometer". the cop usually says "its dangerous to drive and not pay attention" and i just respond "i was paying attention to the road, just not my speed obviously"... and say it in a way that shows you are remorseful for doing it.
the point is really to not insult the cops intelligence. both answers have gotten me off with warnings, but it still takes some luck and white skin.
and the BEST word you can use while talking with cops: safety. just keep reiterating that you were trying to be safe, trying to find safety, trying to save someone else... doesnt matter. just figure a simple story and use a variation of the word SAFE, and use it often.
Do that to FallenHero and he has the right to arrest you as it's against the law in Chicago. His behavior is making even more sense now.
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Always on the job officer, or should I say detective?
lol
FallenHero
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I wouldn't. It's not worth my career/house/savings to do so, nor would it be morally or ethically right, let alone legally. I was making a point. I'm sorry you fail to see the difference and know me SO well that are able to judge me so thoroughly.
FallenHero
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I actually clicked your link in the "profile" thread. Had nothing to do with this one. nice try though.
Tell it to the judge.
If I were you, I'd invoke my right to remain silent as everything you say can and will be used against you in the court of ATOT public opinion.
olds
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People are just being dense and or using extreme examples.
I am only familiar with California...
If you get stopped in a car:
You have to show your license/ins/reg.
You don't have to answer any other questions.
Be polite.
Personally, if I actually did something to get pulled over, I will admit to it and accept responsibility. I have not been ticketed on more than 2/3 of the times I have accepted responsibility. Just given a warning.
If I am asked if there are any guns or bombs in the car, I'll ask if that is why he pulled me over. If he asks to search, I'll decline. All politely.
Then I'll ask if I am being detained or I am free to go? Good cops that know the constitution will finish their business and let you go. Bad cops will look for other reasons to harass you.
If you are walking down the street, you must identify yourself but you don't have to have identification on you. You only need a driver's license when you are doing something that requires one. Like driving.
If I witness a crime and it's obvious that I didn't commit it, such as other witnesses, I'll cooperate. If I suspect that the cop may think I am not just a witness and that I did it, I'd clam up.
I was once attacked by a guy that had earlier chopped his girlfriend's head off with a hatchet. The cops on scene were professional. When I had to go to the station to make a statement the detectives treated me like a criminal and played games.
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Tell it to the judge.
If I were you, I'd invoke your right to remain silent as everything you say can and will be used against you in the court of ATOT public opinion.
Yes, I'm sure it will be. Got anything else before I go out for the afternoon and enjoy my day off?
olds
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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
And I don't hate police, I just don't trust them Till they prove that they are trust worthy. They've done it to themselves mostly by not policing themselves.
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Don Vito Corleone
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My post presumes that the person dealing with the police has a modicum of common sense. The whole thing is highly situation-specific. I've been a lawyer for 13 years, largely practicing criminal law (actually I got an acquittal for a first-degree murder defendant this past week). I would not hesitate to speak to the police under some circumstances, though it's certainly safer to say nothing if you have any question.
I will say there is a ton of paranoia and misinformation in this thread about the criminal justice process. The idea that police and prosecutors are going around pursuing prosecutions without regard to the apparent guilt or innocence of defendants is just silly. Certainly there are abuses in some cases but it's comparatively rare.
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olds
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If you think the weight of those electrons is in the 1 ton range, I'll take my chances with a different lawyer...
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Only way that would happen is if the abductee didnt carry a gun to defend themselves. This means they are a dirty stinkin Democrat. Fuck no I wouldnt help.
That was fun, lets do it again.
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olds
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Remember what Southerners used to say about Blacks?
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It's simple: Never talk to the police without an attorney. Ever. I don't care if you are guilty or innocent. It simply cannot help you, but it can harm you greatly.
Of course, it is important to define "talk." Exchanging pleasantries is not talking. Conversing with a police officer during a traffic stop is not talking. Identifying an abducted person when approached by an officer on the street can be a little bit trickier, depending on the circumstances. However, answering direct questions about a crime that you are supposedly involved with is definitely talking.
I'm not going to pretend that, under certain circumstances, it may not be better to be forthright with the police than to avoid talking to them. But even in the simple traffic stop scenario, you don't know what the officer knows, or whether he is using the traffic stop as a pretext to make an arrest for another crime. Talking is not going to help you in these scenarios. On the whole, therefore, it is better to not say anything at all.
Of course, it is important to define "talk." Exchanging pleasantries is not talking. Conversing with a police officer during a traffic stop is not talking. Identifying an abducted person when approached by an officer on the street can be a little bit trickier, depending on the circumstances. However, answering direct questions about a crime that you are supposedly involved with is definitely talking.
I'm not going to pretend that, under certain circumstances, it may not be better to be forthright with the police than to avoid talking to them. But even in the simple traffic stop scenario, you don't know what the officer knows, or whether he is using the traffic stop as a pretext to make an arrest for another crime. Talking is not going to help you in these scenarios. On the whole, therefore, it is better to not say anything at all.
No, it's the Corpo-neo-facist-States of 'merika. They have a right to know so they can sell you something, or more aptly, make you BUY something.
jlee
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Someone wasn't too happy when I told him that recording without the consent/knowledge of persons present was a felony.
You'd better know your state laws.
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waggy
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yeah.
some states are trying to make it a felony to record a cop in public. how fucked up is that? hell they should be taped.
yes, people do have a problem with certain aspects of the police, not everything they do...is that wrong?
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