I found the next bubble...

AViking

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Wow I didn't know it was that bad.

The first thing I did was look up Goldman Sachs Uranium and the first link says that they had to stop trading it after links to Iran were exposed. They apparently owned the company that was supplying uranium to Irans nuclear program. Amazing!

(Reuters) - Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank are quietly trying to get out of a business few people know they are even in: trading supplies of raw uranium known as yellowcake.

In the last four years, the banks have amassed low-grade stockpiles of the nuclear fuel ingredient larger than those held by Iran, and enough to run China's nuclear plants for a year.

Goldman's uranium business can trace its roots back to an apartheid-era South African trading conglomerate that sold Iran its only known source of foreign yellowcake 35 years ago. To this day, that uranium delivery underpins Iran's disputed enrichment program, which western powers fear is aimed at developing atomic weapons, although Iran denies that.

What in the world are Americans supposed to do?
 

Genx87

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Gee I see a common theme here among the bubbles of the last 15 years. The Fed makes available cheap money while our politicians look the other way. Now if this bursts how much does anybody want to bet Nancy Pelosi gets on the TV and says "they are too big to fail"?

And this isnt capitalism at its finest. This is crony captialism at its finest. Without the state providing an avenue for these banks to pull this crap. It wouldnt work nearly as easy, if at all, as the cost of ferrying around commodities and sitting on inventory would be too great.
 
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rudeguy

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Wow I didn't know it was that bad.

The first thing I did was look up Goldman Sachs Uranium and the first link says that they had to stop trading it after links to Iran were exposed. They apparently owned the company that was supplying uranium to Irans nuclear program. Amazing!



What in the world are Americans supposed to do?

nuke em

nuke the bankers
nuke the lawyers
nuke the politicians who damn well knew this was happening
nuke Iran

Instead the mass media will ignore it. The US government will ignore it. The sheeple will be outraged for .6 seconds then find some beached whale to try and save.
 

z1ggy

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nuke em

nuke the bankers
nuke the lawyers
nuke the politicians who damn well knew this was happening
nuke Iran

Instead the mass media will ignore it. The US government will ignore it. The sheeple will be outraged for .6 seconds then find some beached whale to try and save.

The people will be pissed at what the media tells them to be pissed at.

Like Justin Beiber. Now there's something important.
 

dphantom

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good read. Not surprised we have one bubble after another. The question seems to be when does the catastrophic failure occur - the one that is not recoverable except by the painful process of economic adjustment, that is a real depression.
 

overst33r

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Deregulation to blame?

I imagine if banks were solely in the business of banking, this wouldn't happen....
 

Mai72

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This is exactly the type of thing that Thomas Jefferson was talking about.
 

Jhhnn

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Clearly you didnt read the article.

And if you did, you clearly didn't understand it. Had Repub inspired deregulation never occurred, certain forms of market manipulation simply could not exist as they do today. They were simply not legally possible under New Deal banking law.
 

rudeguy

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And if you did, you clearly didn't understand it. Had Repub inspired deregulation never occurred, certain forms of market manipulation simply could not exist as they do today. They were simply not legally possible under New Deal banking law.

so they would manipulate it in other ways

People always cheat, always will. Until ethics become a real thing in business and government, the people in charge will always find a way.
 

Genx87

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And if you did, you clearly didn't understand it. Had Repub inspired deregulation never occurred, certain forms of market manipulation simply could not exist as they do today. They were simply not legally possible under New Deal banking law.

Oh the Republicans have their share of fault in this as well. But the article does a fine job explaining how both parties are involved with feeding the machine.
 

Jhhnn

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Oh the Republicans have their share of fault in this as well. But the article does a fine job explaining how both parties are involved with feeding the machine.


False equivalency is your forte, huh?

Who's been obstructing the CFPB at every turn, anyway?

Why did Obama have to resort to an interim appointment to give the organization a leader, a prerequisite to implementation of their mandate?

Does underlying ideology play no role in this? Who champions that good old Free Market! ideology at every turn, regardless of the results?
 

berzerker60

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so they would manipulate it in other ways

People always cheat, always will. Until ethics become a real thing in business and government, the people in charge will always find a way.
In that case, let's just get rid of all laws! People will just cheat anyway, after all.
 

AViking

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Dismissing this because people always cheat is absurd. Yes people will always cheat if you let them. That's the whole point of laws. It's the whole point of reward and punishment.

Not sure how young you are rudeguy but after a few more bubbles maybe you'll start to understand. It just keeps happening over and over again. We need to stop it. The destruction of wealth, the economy, the middle class, etc for the benefit of a very select few is terrible for you, me, our children, the country, and the rest of the global economy.

We need to stop it.
 

Genx87

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False equivalency is your forte, huh?

Who's been obstructing the CFPB at every turn, anyway?

Why did Obama have to resort to an interim appointment to give the organization a leader, a prerequisite to implementation of their mandate?

Does underlying ideology play no role in this? Who champions that good old Free Market! ideology at every turn, regardless of the results?


And whining about false equivalency when it is pointed out your buddies are as dirty as the other party is your forte.

This is happening under Obama's watch. Own it for once.
 

BoberFett

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Goddam Republicans!
Goldman and Chase – along with Glencore and Trafigura, a pair of giant Swiss-based conglomerates that were offshoots of a firm founded by notorious deceased commodities trader and known market manipulator Marc Rich – all made notably coincidental purchases of metals-warehousing companies in 2010.

The presence of these Marc Rich entities is particularly noteworthy. According to famed Forbes reporter Paul Klebnikov, who was assassinated in 2004 after years of reports on Russian corruption, Rich made a fortune in the early Nineties striking crooked deals with the Soviet bosses who controlled the U.S.S.R.'s supplies of raw materials – in particular commodities like zinc and aluminum. These deals helped create a fledgling class of profiteers among the bosses of the crumbling Soviet empire, a class that would go on years later to help push Russia out of its communist past into its kleptocratic present.

"He'd strike a deal with the local party boss, or the director of a state-owned company," Klebnikov said back in 2001. "He'd say, 'OK, you will sell me the [commodity] at five to 10 percent of the world-market price . . . and in return, I will deposit some of the profit I make by reselling it 10 times higher on the world market, and put the kickback in a Swiss bank account.'"

Rich made these reported deals while in exile from the United States, which he fled in 1983 after the U.S. government charged him with tax evasion, wire fraud, racketeering and trading with the enemy after being caught trading with rogue states like Iran, among other things. The state filed enough counts to put him away for life, and he remained a fugitive until January 2001, when a little-known Clinton administration Justice Department official named Eric Holder recommended Rich be pardoned. A report by the House Committee on Government Reform later concluded that Holder had not provided a credible explanation for supporting Rich's pardon and that he must have had "other motivations" that he didn't share with Congress. Among other things, the committee speculated that Holder had designs on the attorney general's office in a potential Al Gore administration.

In any case, in 2010, a decade after the Rich pardon, Holder was attorney general, but under Barack Obama, and two Rich-created firms, along with two banks that have been major donors to the Democratic Party, all made moves to buy up metals warehouses. In near simultaneous fashion, Goldman, Chase, Glencore and Trafigura bought companies that control warehouses all over the world for the LME, or London Metals Exchange. The LME is a privately owned exchange for world metals trading. It's the world's primary hub for determining metals prices and also for trading metals-based futures, options, swaps and other instruments.
 

Thebobo

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I can't read all this type of shit anymore, it's just too damn depressing. Fucking greed will be the doom of this planet.
 

Thebobo

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Dismissing this because people always cheat is absurd. Yes people will always cheat if you let them. That's the whole point of laws. It's the whole point of reward and punishment.

Not sure how young you are rudeguy but after a few more bubbles maybe you'll start to understand. It just keeps happening over and over again. We need to stop it. The destruction of wealth, the economy, the middle class, etc for the benefit of a very select few is terrible for you, me, our children, the country, and the rest of the global economy.

We need to stop it.

But how?