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Crono

Lifer
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Can't tell if reflections or some other stupidly simple explanation. Notice that these UFO videos never have any detailed footage of anything that actually looks like craft (and when they do, it proves to be faked using CGI).
 

CZroe

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It's just ball lightning. Rare? Sure, but I had a personal encounter with it as a kid.
 

Naer

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Brb erasing my memory in case the agent muller and skully come after me
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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Brb erasing my memory in case the agent muller and skully come after me

Naer, I've seen your youtube vids, there's no other explanation for them . . . I know you've been probed.

Alien Anal Intrusion survivors, represent! :awe:
 

BUTCH1

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One, where'd you get that from your link?

I saw these:






BTW, not 4x the size of an aircraft carrier, per your link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident#cite_note-Lawhon-3




And calling shens on the video in the OP. No one holds their camera horizontally. Dead giveaway that it's fake. ;)

My bad, I had the size wrong. The object WAS tracked by a military radar for 30 minutes, John Callahan (FAA) was summoned to a high-level meeting with Regan's top scientific people. At the end of the meeting he was told along with everyone there, 'this meeting never happened, you were never here". Callahan had brought copies of everything and was in possession of the originals, here's a link to his explanation as to what happened, link I have difficulty with this being a hoax of any kind, Captain Terauchi had nothing to gain from going public and in fact was grounded for several years for talking to the press.
 

disappoint

Lifer
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It's just ball lightning. Rare? Sure, but I had a personal encounter with it as a kid.

lolfail. You ever see ball lightning keep up with a jet doing 500+mph? Those are likely CGI. Or Naer was on that flight and created them with his mind...either way.
 

Ichinisan

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It's 99.999% fake. Effects like that are easy to create.

Was there no one else watching this happen? Where were all the ooooo's and ahhh's throughout the plane?

Ball lightning always has this strange movement that seems like it must be deliberate.

My brother and I, along with a friend, followed a single orb as it zipped and floated through the neighborhood we watched it orbiting trees, zipping across lawns, slowly moving under mobile homes (and illuminating underneath), and finally zooming straight up into the air and slowly disappearing.

Everything I read about ball lightning seems to fit, except this was a clear night.

This was some time in the very early '90s. I believe we were all going to spend the night at the friend's place and we were walking through the neighborhood to my place to get my 8-bit Nintendo.

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Though it's hard to declare the size of a glowing ball of light, I'd say it was the size of a basketball.
 
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CZroe

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lolfail. You ever see ball lightning keep up with a jet doing 500+mph? Those are likely CGI. Or Naer was on that flight and created them with his mind...either way.
Ball lightning often appears to intelligently follow/inspect things while avoiding collision. It's formation was obviously relative to the plane just like, St. Elmo's Fire is linked to a ship at sea. Yes, it could "keep up." How fast does a lightning bolt usually travel? When my teacher first explained it to me as a kid when I told him about what I saw he specifically mentioned it being seen by people in planes. Makes sense: The plane moving through the air creates static.

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"Jennison, of the Electronics Laboratory at the University of Kent, described his own observation of ball lightning:"
R.C. Jennison said:
I was seated near the front of the passenger cabin of an all-metal airliner (Eastern Airlines Flight EA 539) on a late night flight from New York to Washington. The aircraft encountered an electrical storm during which it was enveloped in a sudden bright and loud electrical discharge (0005 h EST, March 19, 1963). Some seconds after this a glowing sphere a little more than 20 cm in diameter emerged from the pilot's cabin and passed down the aisle of the aircraft approximately 50 cm from me, maintaining the same height and course for the whole distance over which it could be observed.

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

Who is "LOLFAIL" again?
 
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BUTCH1

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Ball lightning often appears to intelligently follow/inspect things while avoiding collision. It's formation was obviously relative to the plane just like, St. Elmo's Fire is linked to a ship at sea. Yes, it could "keep up." How fast does a lightning bolt usually travel? When my teacher first explained it to me as a kid when I told him about what I saw he specifically mentioned it being seen by people in planes. Makes sense: The plane moving through the air creates static.

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"Jennison, of the Electronics Laboratory at the University of Kent, described his own observation of ball lightning:"


Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

Who is "LOLFAIL" again?

But the problem with your "ball lightning" explanation is that is does not exhibit behavior that was filmed from the airliner. These 3 objects moved in a formation pattern until exiting the cameras view under the plane. Not only that the plane was not flying through any storms at the time, here's the only footage of ball lightning ever captured, http://www.grindtv.com/random/ball-lightning-captured-on-video-for-first-time/
 

Ichinisan

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But the problem with your "ball lightning" explanation is that is does not exhibit behavior that was filmed from the airliner. These 3 objects moved in a formation pattern until exiting the cameras view under the plane. Not only that the plane was not flying through any storms at the time, here's the only footage of ball lightning ever captured, http://www.grindtv.com/random/ball-lightning-captured-on-video-for-first-time/

We know ball lightning is typically associated with electrical storms, but skies were clear the night when CZroe and I followed something we could only describe as "ball lightning" -- so I'm not willing to say it only appears during storms. More common? Sure.
 

IronWing

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If folks wore 100% cotton underwear then ball lightning wouldn't even be an issue.
 

CZroe

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But the problem with your "ball lightning" explanation is that is does not exhibit behavior that was filmed from the airliner. These 3 objects moved in a formation pattern until exiting the cameras view under the plane. Not only that the plane was not flying through any storms at the time, here's the only footage of ball lightning ever captured, http://www.grindtv.com/random/ball-lightning-captured-on-video-for-first-time/
Having personally witnessed it on a clear starry night myself at a young age 25 years ago, I have had a life-long interest in the phenomenon. You aren't going to convince me that it wasn't ball lightning just because there was no storm. If you have any idea how static and lightning build up, then you know how a moving plane could trigger that even without a storm. Granted, I didn't even have that to explain what I saw, but one of the first things I was told about ball lightning is that it mysteriously appears sometimes even without a storm.

This video very well could be fake. I especially don't like that the camera moves JUST enough so that they move off the video frame instead of moving past the edge of the window's view.

As for dismissing the ball lightning explanation just because there is more than one, the first direct historical account on the Wikipedia page describes more than one:
Historical accounts
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M. l'abbé de Tressan, in Mythology compared with history: or, the fables of the ancients elucidated from historical records:

... during a storm which endangered the ship Argo, fires were seen to play round the heads of the Tyndarides, and the instant after the storm ceased. From that time, those fires which frequently appear on the surface of the ocean were called the fire of Castor and Pollux. When two were seen at the same time, it announced the return of calm; when only one, it was the presage of a dreadful storm. This species of fire is frequently seen by sailors, and is a species of ignis fatuus. (page 417)

Need another example with multiple balls?

The Great Thunderstorm of Widecombe-in-the-Moor
Another early description was reported during the Great Thunderstorm at a church in Widecombe-in-the-Moor, Devon, in England, on 21 October 1638. Four people died and approximately 60 were injured when, during a severe storm, an 8-foot (2.4 m) ball of fire was described as striking and entering the church, having nearly destroyed it. Large stones from the church walls were hurled into the ground and through large wooden beams. The ball of fire allegedly smashed the pews and many windows, and filled the church with a foul sulfurous odour and dark, thick smoke.

The ball of fire reportedly divided into two segments, one exiting through a window by smashing it open, the other disappearing somewhere inside the church.

Another?

HMS Warren Hastings
An English journal reported that during an 1809 storm, three "balls of fire" appeared and "attacked" the British ship HMS Warren Hastings. The crew watched one ball descend, killing a man on deck and setting the main mast on fire. A crewman went out to retrieve the fallen body and was struck by a second ball, which knocked him back and left him with mild burns. A third man was killed by contact with the third ball. Crew members reported a persistent, sickening sulfur smell afterward.

How about another?

Ebenezer Cobham Brewer
Ebenezer Cobham Brewer, in his 1864 US edition of A Guide to the Scientific Knowledge of Things Familiar, discussed "globular lightning". He describes it as slow-moving balls of fire or explosive gas that sometimes fall to the earth or run along the ground during a thunderstorm. He said that the balls sometimes split into smaller balls and may explode "like a cannon".

Yet another?

Wilfrid de Fonvielle
In his book Thunder and Lighting, translated into English in 1875, French science writer Wilfrid de Fonvielle wrote that there had been about 150 reports of globular lightning:
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The motion of such balls is far from being very rapid – they have even been observed occasionally to pause in their course, but they are not the less destructive for all that. A ball of lightning which entered the church of Stralsund, on exploding, projected a number of balls which exploded in their turn like shells.

It's starting to look like MOST historical accounts confirm that there can be more than one ball:

On 22 November 1894, an unusually prolonged instance of natural ball lightning occurred in Golden, Colorado, which suggests it could be artificially induced from the atmosphere. The Golden Globe newspaper reported, "A beautiful yet strange phenomenon was seen in this city on last Monday night. The wind was high and the air seemed to be full of electricity. In front of, above and around the new Hall of Engineering of the School of Mines, balls of fire played tag for half an hour, to the wonder and amazement of all who saw the display. In this building is situated the dynamos and electrical apparatus of perhaps the finest electrical plant of its size in the state. There was probably a visiting delegation from the clouds, to the captives of the dynamos on last Monday night, and they certainly had a fine visit and a roystering game of romp."

Still going...

...the author always insisted they were descriptive of actual events in her life. In Wilder's description, three separate balls of lightning appear during a winter blizzard near a cast iron stove in the family's kitchen. They are described as appearing near the stovepipe, then rolling across the floor, only to disappear as the mother (Caroline Ingalls) chases them with a willow-branch broom.
 
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