I find it very hard to be charitable after reading this.

[MotF Bane]

Oh silly you. That was the oil industry getting their way with the lawmakers for putting the taxpayers on the hook for any losses whilst they enjoy all profits.

So that was corruption in a large government.

 

[Kappo]

No, I just realize that the world isn't full of people who will only do what is right for them inside the framework of an orderly society. Things such as an unfettered "free market" aren't good ideas for that very same reason. We had the back in the 1800s and that framework allowed massive exploitation of natural resources and people to a massive detriment of our society.

I was reading about the heiress to a huge copper fortune. Her father exploited Montana, destroying the natural resources, poisoning the rivers, and buying senate seats (when they were elected by the house) merely because he wanted to be rich. Lack of regulation and government intervention allowed that.

Now, you're telling me that your fairy tale utopia exists whereby all people will suddenly realize that their "personal responsibility" will raise above their greed?

This is why I call libertarians, libertopians.

Your strawman is, at least, entertaining. Doesn't make it remotely correct on any level, though.

Your first mistake is to think that Libertarians want zero regulation on anything. Your second mistake is thinking that Libertarians do not believe in law enforcement.

This is why I call Liberals, Libtards.

 

[Steeplerot]

Your strawman is, at least, entertaining. Doesn't make it remotely correct on any level, though.

Your first mistake is to think that Libertarians want zero regulation on anything. Your second mistake is thinking that Libertarians do not believe in law enforcement.

This is why I call Liberals, Libtards.

You sure destroyed him with well thought out concise counterpoints! Well played old chap! The libtard thing...so mature! :awe:

About as mature as Libertarian ideology itself.

 

[Kappo]

You sure destroyed him with well thought out concise counterpoints! Well played old chap! The libtard thing...so mature! :awe:

About as mature as Libertarian ideology itself.

I could post the links I have to help educate simpletons who need the government to control every single facet of their lives, but I figured those people can find it on their own.

Read what I quoted (spoiler alert! - at the bottom), and you will see why the comment is even there I can't expect a lib frothing at the mouth to catch everything, can I?

 

[MotF Bane]

You sure destroyed him with well thought out concise counterpoints! Well played old chap! The libtard thing...so mature! :awe:

About as mature as Libertarian ideology itself.

There is no point to making "well thought out concise counterpoints" to the idiots who still insist on confusing anarchy and libertarianism.

 

[BoberFett]

Gawd but that's lame. In the fools' paradise of Libertopia, there wouldn't be any liability...

Another idiot that doesn't understand the conversation taking place.

 

[BoberFett]

Oh silly you. That was the oil industry getting their way with the lawmakers for putting the taxpayers on the hook for any losses whilst they enjoy all profits.

Exactly. Regulation is purchased. Thanks for proving my point. Big government doesn't work.

 

[Jhhnn]

Another idiot that doesn't understand the conversation taking place.

At least I understand what I'm saying...

Tell us, then, just how would damages be assessed and enforced in your libertarian society, if not by teh ebil big gubmint? Or does the whole fantasy presuppose the impossible, that men will suddenly take responsibility for their own actions out of some sense of goodness and fair play?

 

[bamacre]

This thread is yet further proof that those who bash an ideology the most tend to understand it the least.

 

[Kappo]

At least I understand what I'm saying...

Tell us, then, just how would damages be assessed and enforced in your libertarian society, if not by teh ebil big gubmint? Or does the whole fantasy presuppose the impossible, that men will suddenly take responsibility for their own actions out of some sense of goodness and fair play?

You seem very confused. Go read up on today's party instead of that crap you read on wikipedia.

http://www.lp.org/

 

[LegendKiller]

Your strawman is, at least, entertaining. Doesn't make it remotely correct on any level, though.

Your first mistake is to think that Libertarians want zero regulation on anything. Your second mistake is thinking that Libertarians do not believe in law enforcement.

This is why I call Liberals, Libtards.

I do love this whole "libtard" thing. Mainly because I'm not a liberal and I am probably far more versed in finance and economics than you'll ever be. In fact, I've probably forgotten more pure applicable finance than you'll ever know. However, that doesn't stop morons like you ignoring basic human greed, this is where my psych undergrad comes in, because I probably realize the fallacy of humans far better than you ever will.

Libertarians do pretty much want no regulation, Ron Paul has stated this many times. They want a whole host of idiotic things. How about their stance on public education? Their stance on getting rid of much of the standing army (how fucking foolish). What about the stupidity around getting rid of a central bank? Or the utter failure of an idea of going to a gold standard?

Naturally, their answer is that the "free market" will take care of everything, like it had done before and during the industrial revolution or even before the 1940s. When it comes down to it, most libertopians would like the US to revert back to disaggregated agrarian based economies.

 

[LegendKiller]

This thread is yet further proof that those who bash an ideology the most tend to understand it the least.

Ahh yes, the whole "you can't hope to understand so I won't debate" thing. Only toolbags like you run around from thread to thread posting single sentances in rebuttal to good points.

The problem is that you, Krappo, and Bobber really have no idea what you're talking about other than what somebody spoon fed you. This cud that you chew and regurgitate on command really isn't knowledge and is why you can't really debate much of anything. It's really pathetic as I am sure that the LP might have some good ideas that could translate into a real agenda, if only their acolytes were not ignorant fucks.

 

[bamacre]

Ahh yes, the whole "you can't hope to understand so I won't debate" thing. Only toolbags like you run around from thread to thread posting single sentances in rebuttal to good points.

The problem is that you, Krappo, and Bobber really have no idea what you're talking about other than what somebody spoon fed you. This cud that you chew and regurgitate on command really isn't knowledge and is why you can't really debate much of anything. It's really pathetic as I am sure that the LP might have some good ideas that could translate into a real agenda, if only their acolytes were not ignorant fucks.

Sorry, but when you suggest that slavery is compatible with free market capitalism, you lose the right to call anyone ignorant.

 

[her209]

So that was corruption in a large government.

No no... that's free speech!

 

[her209]

Exactly. Regulation is purchased. Thanks for proving my point. Big government doesn't work.

Bzzzzzzzz. Lax regulations doesn't work.

 

[LegendKiller]

Sorry, but when you suggest that slavery is compatible with free market capitalism, you lose the right to call anyone ignorant.

Hey, they were allowed to do what they want, right? It's the same vein.

You somehow think the "invisible hand" will take care of the market on its own, resulting in some utopian situation whereby everybody gets along and nobody gets fucked by somebody that can, and inevitably will, skirt the no-rules rule.

It has happened numerous times in history. It's because you guys refuse to acknowledge that humans are inherently greedy and stupid when acting for their own means, the tragedy of commons is what all of your ideals falls victim to. Slavery is but one of those.

It's like Rand and his whole private enterprise being able to not serve black people. Really, how far do you go?

 

[Darwin333]

Meh. One of the problems with distributing aid in a place like Somalia is that some of it will be diverted into the black market. Just the way it is. When that happens, the food can become dated while being hoarded, before being offered for sale.

And, of course, there's always somebody on every side of the situation willing to make more out of it than is really there- the militants in Somalia, and people in this country looking to discredit the whole idea of aid... find yet another way to justify selfishness and self righteousness...

Instead of sending them food, how about oh I dunno maybe we send them fucking tractors, seeds, irrigation, etc... You know, those things that allow people to grow their OWN food? Maybe toss in a few agricultural experts? Hell, call it economic stimulus for the US and send them nothing but John Deers or other American made equipment. If the warlords are a problem send a few marines with them and a few drones or something. I guarantee that, given the same resources, I would be able to significantly improve the lifestyles of the people we are sending "help" to.

Naw, fuck that, lets just give the warlords and other assholes more ways to fuck over the people with the end result being they still starve.

 

[Hacp]

Instead of sending them food, how about oh I dunno maybe we send them fucking tractors, seeds, irrigation, etc... You know, those things that allow people to grow their OWN food? Maybe toss in a few agricultural experts? Hell, call it economic stimulus for the US and send them nothing but John Deers or other American made equipment. If the warlords are a problem send a few marines with them and a few drones or something. I guarantee that, given the same resources, I would be able to significantly improve the lifestyles of the people we are sending "help" to.

Naw, fuck that, lets just give the warlords and other assholes more ways to fuck over the people with the end result being they still starve.

How about we send them nothing and keep the money in the United States to worry about our own people?

 

[Kappo]

Hey, they were allowed to do what they want, right? It's the same vein.

You somehow think the "invisible hand" will take care of the market on its own, resulting in some utopian situation whereby everybody gets along and nobody gets fucked by somebody that can, and inevitably will, skirt the no-rules rule.

It has happened numerous times in history. It's because you guys refuse to acknowledge that humans are inherently greedy and stupid when acting for their own means, the tragedy of commons is what all of your ideals falls victim to. Slavery is but one of those.

It's like Rand and his whole private enterprise being able to not serve black people. Really, how far do you go?

People get fucked by other people. Thanks for the update. Want another one? It's going to happen short of the psudo military way you want people to live. "You are free as long as you live by ALL my rules" is not free.

I want the right to go out there and work 5x harder and make 5x more. Not work 5x harder and make 2x more. There are limits to what government should be doing, and we passed that a LONG time ago.

How about we send them nothing and keep the money in the United States to worry about our own people?

Considering how much we give unofficially, this is actually doable and, of course, I love it

 

[MotF Bane]

No no... that's free speech!

No, it's corruption.

 

[Jhhnn]

Instead of sending them food, how about oh I dunno maybe we send them fucking tractors, seeds, irrigation, etc... You know, those things that allow people to grow their OWN food? Maybe toss in a few agricultural experts? Hell, call it economic stimulus for the US and send them nothing but John Deers or other American made equipment. If the warlords are a problem send a few marines with them and a few drones or something. I guarantee that, given the same resources, I would be able to significantly improve the lifestyles of the people we are sending "help" to.

Naw, fuck that, lets just give the warlords and other assholes more ways to fuck over the people with the end result being they still starve.

That's being done too, I'm sure, but only 2% of the land in Somalia is arable, and much of it isn't even suitable for grazing. One of the effects of the collapse of govt has been diversion of agricultural resources to the growing of Kat, which is flown daily to the addict population in Yemen...

Mogadishu is a large urban area, with a population of ~3M people, so tractors won't do most of them any good, certainly not in the short term. The situation has no simple answers. If it did, the people there would have implemented them, obviously.

 

[Steeplerot]

In other words you "Libertarians" can not debate or even explain your immature politics.

Just go back to being Repubs already, bush is gone. Annoying that righties use the term of libertarian for corporate wage slavery and crony capitalism.

 

[Steeplerot]

Canned Libertarian response: "But but, you dont believe in freedom!!!! you big government nanny state loving slave!!"

You idiots live in a fine country with the lowest tax rates around without having to go to a well for water. Piss off you entitled drama queens.

 

[SandEagle]

Sheik Ali Mohamed Hussein, an official with al-Shabab — Somalia's most powerful militant group — said the food was expired. A spokesman for WFP said the group does not distribute expired food.
"We have burned the expired food in public and we will continue the operation to check what is left in the markets to take care of the health of our people," Hussein said.



never mind the fact that the article states that the food was expired.

 

[LegendKiller]

In other words you "Libertarians" can not debate or even explain your immature politics.

Just go back to being Repubs already, bush is gone. Annoying that righties use the term of libertarian for corporate wage slavery and crony capitalism.

Nah, they never liked Bush. They just love to slobber all over the dick of loser-gyno-18th century moron-2nd career politician known as Ron Paul.

They aren't corporatist as much as they are closet anarchists, whether they know it or not.