I finally saw FAHRENHEIT 9/11 + DVD extras last night

[HalosPuma]

My liberal friend decided to sit my neo-con ass down and show me Fahrenheit 9/11 so I would see the error of my ways and repent. She cried again while I laughed along with Bush's quips and informed her of the profits I made. Needless to say, she's rather upset at me. 😀

Michael Moore does bring up a few points that I like:

* Bush Won the 2000 Election Fair & Square
In the clip showing Gore presiding over Congress and hearing the complaints from so-called "disenfranchised voters", not one Senator moved to support their complaint and make it legitimate. Not one. So for all of you whiners ask yourself why ultra-liberals like Boxer and Feinstein didn't support it? This just goes to show that Bush won 2000 fairly.

* No Draft
I was concerned that we might be seeing a draft and I would be forcibly enslaved by the US government, but thankfully there are plenty of inner-city kids signing up for military service. Everyone in our society has skills, some (a lot) more than others. Those with a much wider skill set would best serve society in a plush corporate job. Those with little to no skills can also be a productive member of society by joining the military. (This does not include the officers who are supposed to be highly skilled, though they can be real idiots which is why I quit ROTC - no moron is going to tell me what to do.)

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it? Nothing! What do the people who get welfare contribute? Nothing! If it wasn't for the military, a lot of those inner-city kids would be in jail or dead or collecting my money to further their drug habits. With the military, it's a win-win situation. I'm getting national security and they are getting a job.

* Money for College
I don't understand why that dead soldier's mother was crying on and on and blaming Bush for her son's death. If anything, she should blame herself since she encouraged the high school kids to join the military in order to get money for college. If she was responsible, she should have told them that you join the military to defend your nation and that you can die at any time. As a bonus, you can get money for college. Nothing in life is free, folks! Her son wanted the $10 - $20K for college and knew that going into the military. I thank him for his service to our nation.

* Profits
There is a lot of money to be made from investing in the defense corporations that Moore portrayed as "evil" and "greedy." Why complain about it? Join them and profit as well. :thumbsup: And our soldiers in Iraq can also make a lot of money, too. Kellogg, Brown, and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton are hiring mercenaries and other contracts to provide additional security, drive vehicles, etc. and pay much more than the US military does. When their tours are over, they can quit the military and get one of those lucrative jobs. It's not as if it is any more dangerous than their current job.


What bothers me, though, are all the young people who were duped by this work of fiction and ran to vote for Kerry. This film played on their emotions and it got the better of them. It says a lot about the intelligence of our nation when people can be easily molded by propaganda.

 

[nageov3t]

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

They would rather have it like Mad Max. It doesn't affect them in their posh walled sub-divisions.

 

[Steeplerot]

Don't worry HP some people have no prblem helping others and will have your back when the time comes and you are broke becasue of some reason or another. Maybe someday you will understand.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: loki8481

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

No, you get people that never get a job and instead live off welfare sucking up the nations money. These people will never become anything in their life, and will never get a half decent job because they don't have to.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: loki8481

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

No, you get people that never get a job and instead live off welfare sucking up the nations money.

statistics?

even if it's true -- which I don't really thing it is (while there are people who probably live on welfare their entire life, I'd wager that it's a pretty low number) -- if it wasn't welfare, they'd find another way of living easy, most likely through crime. it's cheaper to pay them off now rather than putting the burden on the law enforcement and justice system.

and meanwhile, there are plenty of fine people who simply need welfare / food stamps on a temporary basis while they ride out a rough patch.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: loki8481

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

No, you get people that never get a job and instead live off welfare sucking up the nations money.

statistics?

even if it's true -- which I don't really thing it is (while there are people who probably live on welfare their entire life, I'd wager that it's a pretty low number) -- if it wasn't welfare, they'd find another way of living easy, most likely through crime. it's cheaper to pay them off now rather than putting the burden on the law enforcement and justice system.

and meanwhile, there are plenty of fine people who simply need welfare / food stamps on a temporary basis while they ride out a rough patch.

The whole idea of welfare is wrong. You don't just give money to someone because they won't get a job, you teach them the skills needed to get a job. You don't give them money just so they get used to having money handed to them, you teach them to go out and earn the money themselves.

 

[nageov3t]

The whole idea of welfare is wrong. You don't just give money to someone because they won't get a job, you teach them the skills needed to get a job. You don't give them money just so they get used to having money handed to them, you teach them to go out and earn the money themselves.

I agree with that... but if a single mother loses her job, and because of her lack of skills, her new job doesn't pay enough for her to support her two kids, how is she supposed to get those skills in the first place, and how is she supposed to provide for her kids in the meantime?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: loki8481

The whole idea of welfare is wrong. You don't just give money to someone because they won't get a job, you teach them the skills needed to get a job. You don't give them money just so they get used to having money handed to them, you teach them to go out and earn the money themselves.

I agree with that... but if a single mother loses her job, and because of her lack of skills, her new job doesn't pay enough for her to support her two kids, how is she supposed to get those skills in the first place, and how is she supposed to provide for her kids in the meantime?

That's a different situation than I'm talking about, welfare for a SHORT amount of time should be allowed in that case as long as there is proof that she either found a job or is actively looking. I think you should only be allowed on welfare once and for only a short period of time. Community Colleges are perfect for someone in her situation, cheap education and you can have a job while taking the classes.

 

[SuperTool]

You can work for KBR and be an active duty soldier at the same time? I didn't know soldiers could have jobs on the side while in Iraq.

 

[Slick5150]

This thread has convinced me that the OP is actually just a troll trying to outdo himself with ridiculous posts.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: PinwiZ
This thread has convinced me that the OP is actually just a troll trying to outdo himself with ridiculous posts.

I definately agree. Next post will be about how we should kill all handicapped people/senior citizens because they are unproductive and straining our society.

 

[Ozoned]

After watching the two prior posters stroking each other,


"ZZZZzzzzz - did I miss something?"


Do you get it now, HalosPuma?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: loki8481

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it?

lower crime rates, which in turn lead to lower tax rates (less money needed to be spent on prisons and police)

Not a chance. Welfare is just a transfer payment to the drug lords! Your tax money is going via welfare directly to Columbia! They help the pushers enrapture more addicts and thus, actually increase your taxes! Keep those rosy glasses on! I used to take their food stamps in the pawnshop for the (at that time) $22.00 required to get a hit! I also took their spare tires and coats on cold days for the money for drugs. I wouldn't take the babies or the babies clothing though. They wanted to sale them for drug money but I just wouldn't take them. The shop down the street wouldn't either! Hexll no, I don't like drugs but I do see that legalization would help a very desperate situation!

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma
My liberal friend decided to sit my neo-con ass down and show me Fahrenheit 9/11 so I would see the error of my ways and repent. She cried again while I laughed along with Bush's quips and informed her of the profits I made. Needless to say, she's rather upset at me. 😀

Michael Moore does bring up a few points that I like:

* Bush Won the 2000 Election Fair & Square
In the clip showing Gore presiding over Congress and hearing the complaints from so-called "disenfranchised voters", not one Senator moved to support their complaint and make it legitimate. Not one. So for all of you whiners ask yourself why ultra-liberals like Boxer and Feinstein didn't support it? This just goes to show that Bush won 2000 fairly.

* No Draft
I was concerned that we might be seeing a draft and I would be forcibly enslaved by the US government, but thankfully there are plenty of inner-city kids signing up for military service. Everyone in our society has skills, some (a lot) more than others. Those with a much wider skill set would best serve society in a plush corporate job. Those with little to no skills can also be a productive member of society by joining the military. (This does not include the officers who are supposed to be highly skilled, though they can be real idiots which is why I quit ROTC - no moron is going to tell me what to do.)

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it? Nothing! What do the people who get welfare contribute? Nothing! If it wasn't for the military, a lot of those inner-city kids would be in jail or dead or collecting my money to further their drug habits. With the military, it's a win-win situation. I'm getting national security and they are getting a job.

* Money for College
I don't understand why that dead soldier's mother was crying on and on and blaming Bush for her son's death. If anything, she should blame herself since she encouraged the high school kids to join the military in order to get money for college. If she was responsible, she should have told them that you join the military to defend your nation and that you can die at any time. As a bonus, you can get money for college. Nothing in life is free, folks! Her son wanted the $10 - $20K for college and knew that going into the military. I thank him for his service to our nation.

* Profits
There is a lot of money to be made from investing in the defense corporations that Moore portrayed as "evil" and "greedy." Why complain about it? Join them and profit as well. :thumbsup: And our soldiers in Iraq can also make a lot of money, too. Kellogg, Brown, and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton are hiring mercenaries and other contracts to provide additional security, drive vehicles, etc. and pay much more than the US military does. When their tours are over, they can quit the military and get one of those lucrative jobs. It's not as if it is any more dangerous than their current job.


What bothers me, though, are all the young people who were duped by this work of fiction and ran to vote for Kerry. This film played on their emotions and it got the better of them. It says a lot about the intelligence of our nation when people can be easily molded by propaganda.

how fvcked up you are

 

[DanceMan]

I was concerned that we might be seeing a draft and I would be forcibly enslaved by the US government, but thankfully there are plenty of inner-city kids signing up for military service. Everyone in our society has skills, some (a lot) more than others. Those with a much wider skill set would best serve society in a plush corporate job. Those with little to no skills can also be a productive member of society by joining the military. (This does not include the officers who are supposed to be highly skilled, though they can be real idiots which is why I quit ROTC - no moron is going to tell me what to do.)

Well I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it? Nothing! What do the people who get welfare contribute? Nothing! If it wasn't for the military, a lot of those inner-city kids would be in jail or dead or collecting my money to further their drug habits. With the military, it's a win-win situation. I'm getting national security and they are getting a job.

Ah, I love the sweet smell of ignorance in the morning....

Here are some facts for you. After the Feds overhauled (read: shifted costs to states) the welfare program, the Federal Government is largely out of the welfare business. And since, the costs moved to the states, the state have done a much more remarkable job in controlling the program and costs, and many states have very strict guidelines on how long and how one can get/stay on welfare, and have issued guidelines for moving people from welfare to work programs. I think if you were to look at the face of it, there are very few folks who actually get away with welfare fraud and abuse of any kind.

But, so as not to disappoint you, you should take comfort in the fact there are there are two Federal welfare programs that do take up the majority of your tax dollars. Let's start with the big one -- the military. While I support legitimate, well defined use of the armed services, but not the welfare that supports such illegitimate, undefined, and misuse of our armed services in Iraq that are not even getting all of the equipment and armor they need, while all the military contractors do seem to be getting more than their fair share. By the way, some of those inner-city kids that do happen to join, the military can't seem to pay them enough to support a family, so guess what, they have to go on welfare! The no-good lazy bums!

The other program that takes up most of your tax dollars is Social Security. I can support getting out of the system what you put in, but it's set up now to pull out much more than you put in. While it's a noble program, it is out of control. The richest segment in America are senior citizens, many who have already worked most of their lives and have a pension or other means of support. They treat the SS check as nothing but extra spending cash. This is so well know that casinos have extra buses that shuttle senior citizens to the casinos the day the checks arrive in the mail! And the new Medicare package Bush handed them will now leave the US taxpayer footing even more of the bill! Laissez les bons temps rouler!

So, the next time you want to spout such misinformation about welfare, you will well remember this time that you were properly schooled on the facts, and take care to better examine your tax workbook to learn where your taxes really go when you're crying over the amount of taxes that you pay.

DanceMan

 

[RealityTime]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma


* No Draft
I was concerned that we might be seeing a draft and I would be forcibly enslaved by the US government, but thankfully there are plenty of inner-city kids signing up for military service. Everyone in our society has skills, some (a lot) more than others. Those with a much wider skill set would best serve society in a plush corporate job. Those with little to no skills can also be a productive member of society by joining the military. (This does not include the officers who are supposed to be highly skilled, though they can be real idiots which is why I quit ROTC - no moron is going to tell me what to do.)

I absolutely hate it that my tax dollars go to welfare. What do I get out of it? Nothing! What do the people who get welfare contribute? Nothing! If it wasn't for the military, a lot of those inner-city kids would be in jail or dead or collecting my money to further their drug habits. With the military, it's a win-win situation. I'm getting national security and they are getting a job.

* Money for College
I don't understand why that dead soldier's mother was crying on and on and blaming Bush for her son's death. If anything, she should blame herself since she encouraged the high school kids to join the military in order to get money for college. If she was responsible, she should have told them that you join the military to defend your nation and that you can die at any time. As a bonus, you can get money for college. Nothing in life is free, folks! Her son wanted the $10 - $20K for college and knew that going into the military. I thank him for his service to our nation.

* Profits
There is a lot of money to be made from investing in the defense corporations that Moore portrayed as "evil" and "greedy." Why complain about it? Join them and profit as well. :thumbsup: And our soldiers in Iraq can also make a lot of money, too. Kellogg, Brown, and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton are hiring mercenaries and other contracts to provide additional security, drive vehicles, etc. and pay much more than the US military does. When their tours are over, they can quit the military and get one of those lucrative jobs. It's not as if it is any more dangerous than their current job.

Is this guy a sadist in denial ?

 

[Hyperblaze]

Currently watching it. Find it quite interesting. Although knew Bush was a moron.

Didn't know to what extent though. Ouch.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Jero
Currently watching it. Find it quite interesting. Although knew Bush was a moron.

Didn't know to what extent though. Ouch.

lol @ you for taking moore's movie as truth.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Jero
Currently watching it. Find it quite interesting. Although knew Bush was a moron.

Didn't know to what extent though. Ouch.

lol @ you for taking moore's movie as truth.

😕 at you for not knowing the truth when you see it

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Jero
Currently watching it. Find it quite interesting. Although knew Bush was a moron.

Didn't know to what extent though. Ouch.

lol @ you for taking moore's movie as truth.

😕 at you for not knowing the truth when you see it

so michael moore is telling nothing but the truth eh? :roll:

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Jero
Currently watching it. Find it quite interesting. Although knew Bush was a moron.

Didn't know to what extent though. Ouch.

lol @ you for taking moore's movie as truth.

😕 at you for not knowing the truth when you see it

so michael moore is telling nothing but the truth eh? :roll:

so let me guess.....he hired a bunch of folks to pose as military/civilian folks to say what he wanted them to say?

also forged a bunch of official documents just because he doesn't like Bush?

keep dreaming pal.

 

[novon]

So basically you are okay with making money off killing people :roll:

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: novon
So basically you are okay with making money off killing people :roll:

who is you?

 

[TheGreenGoblin]

The fact that there are people like HalosPuma on this planet is pretty scary.

You should apply for a job in the Bush administration , I'm sure they'd happily have you Puma.