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I figured out why republicans are against birth control and abortion

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ShawnD1

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I was watching a documentary about the Black Death plague that wiped out half of Europe in the 14th century. One of the items of interest was how this affected the economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death#Social_and_economic_effects
The great population loss brought economic changes based on increased social mobility, as depopulation further eroded the peasants' already weakened obligations to remain on their traditional holdings. In the wake of the drastic population decline brought on by the plague, authorities in Western Europe worked to maintain social order through instituting wage controls.[19] These governmental controls were set in place to ensure that workers received the same salary post-plague as they had before the onslaught of the Black Death.[19] Within England, for example, the Ordinance of Labourers, created in 1349, and the Statute of Labourers, created in 1351, restricted both wage increases and the relocation of workers.[20] If workers attempted to leave their current post, employers were given the right to have them imprisoned.[20] The Statute was strictly enforced in some areas. For example, 7,556 people in the county of Essex were fined for deviating from the Statute in 1352.[21] However, despite examples such as Essex, the Statute quickly proved to be difficult to enforce due to the scarcity of labour.
In Western Europe, the sudden shortage of cheap labour provided an incentive for landlords to compete for peasants with wages and freedoms, an innovation that, some argue[weasel words], represents the roots of capitalism, and the resulting social upheaval "caused" the Renaissance, and even the Reformation. In many ways the Black Death and its aftermath improved the situation of surviving peasants, notably by the end of the 15th century. In Western Europe, labourers gained more power and were more in demand because of the shortage of labour. In gaining more power, workers following the Black Death often moved away from annual contracts in favour of taking on successive temporary jobs that offered higher wages.[22] Workers such as servants now had the opportunity to leave their current employment to seek better-paying, more attractive positions in areas previously off limits to them.[22] Another positive aspect of the period was that there was more fertile land available to the population; however, the benefits would not be fully realized until 1470, nearly 120 years later, when overall population levels finally began to rise again.
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See how that works? Having a labor shortage drives wages up. Republicans hate this idea because they are the ruling class. The 100% proven way to keep wages low as hell is to keep the population super high. How does one do that? Make abortions illegal, make certain types of birth control illegal, get churches to actively discourage birth control, tell people condoms don't work, etc.
 
ShawnD1 said:
See how that works? Having a labor shortage drives wages up. Republicans hate this idea because they are the ruling class. The 100% proven way to keep wages low as hell is to keep the population super high. How does one do that? Make abortions illegal, make certain types of birth control illegal, get churches to actively discourage birth control, tell people condoms don't work, etc.
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This is nonsense. There are perfectly reasonable explanations for these positions without having to resort to crazy theories.
 
More than anything else it's why Repub owned big businesses want to keep the free flow of illegal immigrants going, which conflicts with another influential segment of the Repub party that wants to boot out all illegals. Talk about a party of inclusion huh? lol
 
woodie1 said:
At the very least. I'd add stupid too.
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I like the tremendous intellectual rigor you and so many others bring to the discussion.

I think that the case for why Republicans oppose labor is pretty obvious. Whether they are bright enough to rub two brain cells together to see a danger in birth control is something I doubt. I think it has much more to do with sexual inadequacy. Authoritarian males aren't very attractive to women who are self sufficient and unless conservatives can maintain control of women they won't be able to compete with metrosexual liberal males for access to sex. Do women find Romney sexy as compared to Obama. Look at the woman's voting polls.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
It has nothing to do with "sexual inadequacy". It has to do with religion.

And why religions oppose birth control and abortion is easy to figure out.
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Yeah I'm sure religion and keeping lower class people in their place are totally unrelated.
 
What a surprise! More lies and hatred spewing out of the bigoted Democrats about Republicans, who would have thought it?


Hats off to Charles.
 
ShawnD1 said:
See how that works? Having a labor shortage drives wages up. Republicans hate this idea because they are the ruling class. The 100% proven way to keep wages low as hell is to keep the population super high. How does one do that? Make abortions illegal, make certain types of birth control illegal, get churches to actively discourage birth control, tell people condoms don't work, etc.
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Part right. Unfortunately it was the feminist that cause women to want to enter the workforce like men driving the labor force participation rate up.

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monovillage said:
What a surprise! More lies and hatred spewing out of the bigoted Democrats about Republicans, who would have thought it?


Hats off to Charles.
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Skunks have the same complaint. You keep confusing facts with put downs. It is simply a fact you can prove by demonstration that conservatives are animated by disgust and that those who feel disgust treat others as if they are disgusting thereby creating the reality and blowback that folk will return the favor. If you don't want to be viewed as disgusting try treating people with praise.
 
I think this theory is overcomplicated and not a little bit silly...particularly when there is a much simpler explanation for conservative opposition to birth control and abortion. It's about objecting on one level or another to feminism (the "independent woman" kind, not the ridiculous man-hating stereotype conservative pundits always drag out) and consequence free sex. And at least with abortion, in some cases, a belief that a fetus is a person. That's basically the list of objections, either explicitly stated or reading between the lines a bit. I don't see any reason to believe there is a Lex Luthor type scheme behind it...
 
Rainsford said:
I think this theory is overcomplicated and not a little bit silly...particularly when there is a much simpler explanation for conservative opposition to birth control and abortion. It's about objecting on one level or another to feminism (the "independent woman" kind, not the ridiculous man-hating stereotype conservative pundits always drag out) and consequence free sex. And at least with abortion, in some cases, a belief that a fetus is a person. That's basically the list of objections, either explicitly stated or reading between the lines a bit. I don't see any reason to believe there is a Lex Luthor type scheme behind it...
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Maybe, and the promotion of cheaper labor and fuller prisons are just coincidental side effects. Personally I think it's a combination of all three to varying degrees, with an excuse to bitch about welfare spending sprinkled on top.
 
I presume that Abortion is one form of Birth Control and there may be other forms that are to do with being pregnant and before that status occurs... A woman's own body may practice Birth Control without any outside intervention.

Language is a funny thing... So it might be best to know what forms of control the church (Christian) approves of... Abstinence might be one... 'Rhythm method' might be another and if this is true why would it wish to preclude some other forms when the issue they seek to prevent is Abortion. Does not Pregnancy Control not also prevent Abortion?
It seems reasonable that a woman who has sex and does not do so with the notion of Pregnancy Control in her thinking wants to be pregnant and Abortion is not an option because she wants the child.


I suppose I find it a bit conflicting to want to abolish abortion and not want to push for Pregnancy Control.
 
it's mostly liberal women flushing their kids down the toilet..so who cares. Give em a tax credit/carton of smokes and a plunger to keep production unabated.
 
IGBT said:
it's mostly liberal women flushing their kids down the toilet..so who cares. Give em a tax credit/carton of smokes and a plunger to keep production unabated.
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IF it is a legal process what does it matter which political ideology does the flushing?

Would you be more comfortable with a more biblical Constitution to make some stuff illegal? Are Conservatives more Christian than Liberals and does that matter if true?
 
LunarRay said:
IF it is a legal process what does it matter which political ideology does the flushing?

Would you be more comfortable with a more biblical Constitution to make some stuff illegal? Are Conservatives more Christian than Liberals and does that matter if true?
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if it will make you feel better liberals can start choking their spawn in the crib. Think of it as a late term post birth abortion.
 
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