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I feel so sorry for Korean students

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NikolaeVarius said:
Thats bullshit in multiple ways. That assumes that USA students are somehow great at critical thinking, of which most are not.

Secondly, it also assumes that USA schooling isn't also memorization, which it is.

Thirdly, it assumes that Asian students can't think critically, which they can. You don't think there is a reason Asian countries are acclaimed for their technology and design?
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Huh? Since when. Japan maybe but China and South Korea couldn't design their way out of a paper bag.
 
My schedule was something like...

10AM-11AM - wake up and eat
11AM-4PM - sit at my table, breeze through everything not related to math, daydream, talk with my siblings about video games and politics
4PM-12AM - nef

I don't know that I've turned out alright, but my siblings seem to have.
 
in context, south Korea was demolished in 1950 after the Korean war. no gdp, almost no government, and no natural resources.

in 50 years its shot up to 14th largest gdp, 5th in gold medal standings in 2012 Olympics. leaders in shipbuilding and tech. able to transform public perception in TV from Sony to Samsung. Kia and Hyundai were laughed at in the 80s. now are legit car brands today. awesome kpop. list goes on.

I always hear the argument from americans that Korean education only produces rote memorization and no "real world" success.

but funny thing us you can't get any more "real world" success than what south Korea has accomplished.


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tigersty1e said:
in context, south Korea was demolished in 1950 after the Korean war. no gdp, almost no government, and no natural resources.

in 50 years its shot up to 14th largest gdp, 5th in gold medal standings in 2012 Olympics. leaders in shipbuilding and tech. able to transform public perception in TV from Sony to Samsung. Kia and Hyundai were laughed at in the 80s. now are legit car brands today. awesome kpop. list goes on.

I always hear the argument from americans that Korean education only produces rote memorization and no "real world" success.

but funny thing us you can't get any more "real world" success than what south Korea has accomplished.


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I was with you until kpop.

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No just Korea but other nations (developed and developing) in Asia.

While I was in Asia via my many business trips over there, I was amazed at their work ethics. Imagine how much more they could accomplish if their nations were blessed with natural resources as the US.

Here in the US, we have these kind of students (not all) = http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2309959
 
brainhulk said:
Maybe it prepared for college by getting us used to hours of studying. but then again in college, sitting right next to me were people that took normal classes and had normal social lives. I thought to myself why did I ever put up with that bullshit?
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So do you think it helped you? Did you learn discipline that helped you in college?

My HS schedule for the first three years was pretty much:

7am: get ready
8:30-2:30: school
2:30-whenver: Do whatever, rarely homework or studying though later on go to work

I basically had zero study habits and terrible homework habits. For senior year I did a program that let me take community college classes instead of HS and all bad habits carried forward.

They followed me all through undergrad as well. I got a 4.0 in every class without homework but any class with I inevitably lost points as I just didn't regularly do it. My grades would've been much better had I had even a little discipline to do homework and study more than the night before but I never needed it before and my parents didn't really pay much attention (was getting A's B's anyways).

It wasn't until grad school which came after working in the real world that I had actual discipline to study and do homework regularly.

So did you find the discipline to get stuff done helpful? I kind of wish I had it but the lack of it hasn't really impacted my life aside from I could've done better in school.
 
Train said:
No, a bunch of defected Nazi scientists built NASA. US rocket tech was decades behind until we stole all the German scientists before/during/after WWII

We had no idea how to get a Jet engine to work was until long after Germany put up a jet fighter.

US machine gun designs? Basically copies of German designs.
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The first US jet fighter flew in January of 1944, Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star.

The Gatling gun was an American invention. The Maxim machine gun, the first automatic machine gun, was invented by an American. The greatest gun designer of all time, John Moses Browning, was also an American. The Browning M2 machine gun which went into service in 1933 was such a great design, it is still in use today.
 
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I'm not pro-Korean or whatever, and I like America just fine, but the racism in this thread is pretty embarrassing.

Yes, all Asians are just soulless machines program to repeat basic tasks until the end of time. They couldn't think their way out of a box if they didn't memorize it 1million times before hand. Long live America! 🙄
 
BladeVenom said:
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The first US jet fighter flew in January of 1944, Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star.

The Gatling gun was an American invention. The Maxim machine gun, the first automatic machine gun, was invented by an American. The greatest gun designer of all time, John Moses Browning, was also an American. The Browning M2 machine gun which went into service in 1933 was such a great design, it is still in use today.
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Not to mention there are many great American scientists. Linus Pauling, Richard Feynman are among the greatest scientists off the top of my head. Bill Shockley helped invent the transistor, yadda yadda

I have no idea if Americans are that much better or worse than other countries, but certainly there have been many great discoveries/inventions borne out of American minds.
 
Dumac said:
I'm not pro-Korean or whatever, and I like America just fine, but the racism in this thread is pretty embarrassing.

Yes, all Asians are just soulless machines program to repeat basic tasks until the end of time. They couldn't think their way out of a box if they didn't memorize it 1million times before hand. Long live America! 🙄
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No thread is complete until someone pulls the race card. But none of this discussion revolves around race, it's more around cultural norms. And the scholastic styles of most Asian countries tends to promote a certain kind of thinking. Certainly, if that same kind of schooling happened in countries of other races, the same criticism would apply.
 
ADDAvenger said:
I never said it was a new thing :colbert:

But since you think the current batch is no better or worse than the usual, you should agree that our educational system has had a neutral effect on the quality of our government.
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well, I also never tried to argue that our government is what makes us smart, and effective.

When I said "We create leaders," I think most latched onto "Oh, he must mean politicians! or CEOs!"
...yes, the scum of the world.

I should have said innovators--industry leaders, leaders in fields, etc.
 
Dumac said:
Our scores aren't that great



NASA is a shell of what it once was. We have to rely on other countries for space transportation nowadays.
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..I already said our scores aren't that great. I also said they haven't been great, in any stretch of the imagination, for decades. Yet, it hasn't held us back. We still "kick ass" as it were.

We should stop pretending that we want to be Asia, or pretending that we need to emulate a system that just isn't our style. This is all FUD really, pushing this privatized education horseshit everywhere. The current thought is that we are suddenly sliding in these scores. Sorry, we have always been terrible when compared against an eastern standard of rote memorization.

Do we have shitty inner-city schools? yes, of course we do. We also have plenty of top-performing public schools.

Our science and technology is still second to none. I'm not worried about changing something that clearly isn't broken.
 
zinfamous said:
..I already said our scores aren't that great. I also said they haven't been great, in any stretch of the imagination, for decades. Yet, it hasn't held us back. We still "kick ass" as it were.

We should stop pretending that we want to be Asia, or pretending that we need to emulate a system that just isn't our style. This is all FUD really, pushing this privatized education horseshit everywhere. The current thought is that we are suddenly sliding in these scores. Sorry, we have always been terrible when compared against an eastern standard of rote memorization.

Do we have shitty inner-city schools? yes, of course we do. We also have plenty of top-performing public schools.

Our science and technology is still second to none. I'm not worried about changing something that clearly isn't broken.
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What is wrong with you? School and studying is the single most important thing in the world for children. Starting at age 2, they should spend all of their waking time studying! (with the exception of one hour a day spent learning some instrument- disciprine!) Information should be repetitively drilled into their heads. If it were my children, I would hold a gun to their head until they became neurosurgeons.

If we do not do this, America will continue to be backwards in science and technology. When was the last time America produced anything worth mentioning? If only we had a space program like South Korea's, or aircraft as sophisticated as China's. Having studied engineering, its amazing how nearly everything modern (theory, practices, standards) was developed by the Japanese!
 
Yeah i'm glad i didn't grow up in Korea. My parents brought me over here when I was like 10. Hagwon is basically another word for school. Imagine being in school for like 12 hours a day and then coming home to study some more. And if you don't try and pass the college entrance exam, you will never go to college. There are no community colleges in Korea. Even if you do end up going to college, unless you attend one of the top tier schools, you can't even find a job! A lot of pressure on teens growing up in Korea. There's a reason why so many of them jump off of buildings over there.
 
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