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I don't understand why some people still respect the confederate flag

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i've lived in texas for over 20 years. i saw a few in east texas, but none anywhere else. east texas is pretty backwards and racist though. as for the rest of the state, texas has its own history, so we don't really care about the south. for some states, its all they have. someone from alabama or south carolina is just a southerner. a texan is a texan.
 
Originally posted by: AndrewR
It pretty much screams, "I'm Racist", to people outside of the South who have no idea what it means to many people living in the South. Yes, it has been abused by certain segments of society and its meaning perverted to many as a result. This skewed opinion of the symbol does nothing to change how many other view it, including myself.

I went to a Southern military school, and it represents a great deal to me now since it was proudly carried into battle by the cadet corps in 1864 when they led the charge which broke the Union line and where 10 cadets ended up losing their lives. Do you see "slavery" anywhere in that bit of history?

The idiocy is those people who think that every Southerner went to fight in the Civil War to keep slavery when the VAST MAJORITY of the troops would never have been able to afford slaves in their lifetimes. Why would a poor dirt farmer fight for the right of a plantation owner to have slaves?

There are Hindus who view the swastika as a sacred religious symbol. Do they think of genocide when they see it? I've even seen the swastika in a Christian church, dating back several centuries. A symbol does not mean the same thing to everyone; therefore, you have to look at the meaning to the user of the symbol to ascertain what the intent in using it is. Assigning your interpretation to someone else is asinine.
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Well said. All I was gonna say was something about symbols having the meaning you assign to them.
 
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
... fighting to protect a rather evil society...
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The same could be said of the North.

But in reality, it just shows that you haven't a clue.
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not really, the foundation of the north was not slavery, however imperfect it was.

and the heritage arguement is bs. many a german soldier was not a "nazi" too, only fighting for his country because of nationalism/duty. that doesn't make the nazi flag a good thing...an ok thing to fly around because of your "heritage"
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
... fighting to protect a rather evil society...
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The same could be said of the North.

But in reality, it just shows that you haven't a clue.
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not really, the foundation of the north was not slavery, however imperfect it was.

and the heritage arguement is bs. many a german soldier was not a "nazi" too, only fighting for his country because of nationalism/duty. that doesn't make the nazi flag a good thing...an ok thing to fly around because of your "heritage"
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Comparing the flag to the Nazi flag simply shows your ignorance.

Have you been to the south? Have you talked with, lived with, and worked with hundreds of people who display the flag in one way or another?

No. You simply make ignorant knee-jerk assumptions.

And I note that no one is addressing the point I made about the show Dukes of Hazzard. No one assumed the flag was inherently racist 25 years ago when this show was a top TV show. No one complained then. Why? Because no one saw the flag as inherently racist then.

The whole idea that the flag is inherently racist is the revisionism here. It's a NEW idea.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its called southern revisionism. idiots lost the war, and deserved to lose the war. fighting to protect a rather evil society is nothing to be proud of. get over it already.
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You need a history lesson or to stop posting on things you know nothing about.

The south did not cede over slavery
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
not really, the foundation of the north was not slavery, however imperfect it was.

and the heritage arguement is bs. many a german soldier was not a "nazi" too, only fighting for his country because of nationalism/duty. that doesn't make the nazi flag a good thing...an ok thing to fly around because of your "heritage"
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I have a friend who has a Nazi flag that his now-deceased grandfather took when he was in Germany in WWII. Bullet holes and all. He used to have it up in his room (I haven't seen him in a while, so I dunno if he still does).
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
... fighting to protect a rather evil society...
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The same could be said of the North.

But in reality, it just shows that you haven't a clue.
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not really, the foundation of the north was not slavery, however imperfect it was.

and the heritage arguement is bs. many a german soldier was not a "nazi" too, only fighting for his country because of nationalism/duty. that doesn't make the nazi flag a good thing...an ok thing to fly around because of your "heritage"
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And the foundation of the South was not slavery, although northern revisionists would make it so. They even revised the reasoning of the war so that now everyone immediately thinks it was about slavery when in reality it was about State's rights and freedom from Federal intervention.

But now, everyone thinks of the South and they think of slavery, and think every Southerner wants to return to those "good ol' days". You've proven it by showing your own brainwashing.

 
Yes, slavery was one of the issues at hand, but the Civil war was really fought over State's Rights versus Federal Rights.
 
I don't respect it like I do the American Flag but I don't automatically think of it as a racist symbol. To me it's a symbol of the Southern Culture
 
This probably belongs in P&N.

But I wanted to note that I don't get the soldiers couldn't afford slaves logic. Is it less reprehensible to wear a nazi uniform around if your family didn't kill any jews?
 
Originally posted by: torpid
This probably belongs in P&N.

But I wanted to note that I don't get the soldiers couldn't afford slaves logic. Is it less reprehensible to wear a nazi uniform around if your family didn't kill any jews?
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The Nazi flag is a symbol of nazism which was one of the great scourges of the 20th century.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of the southern states' fight to protect state's rights.

Your comparison is weak.

 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Yes, slavery was one of the issues at hand, but the Civil war was really fought over State's Rights versus Federal Rights.
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yes, a states rights to own slaves. if it weren't for slavery there wouldn't have been much to bother about in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: jjones

And the foundation of the South was not slavery, although northern revisionists would make it so. They even revised the reasoning of the war so that now everyone immediately thinks it was about slavery when in reality it was about State's rights and freedom from Federal intervention.
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Indeed. Good to see some people still remember what it was about. Was slavery part of it? Sure. But was it the main reason? Far from it. The main issue (at least according to everything I've read) appears to have been about State right's.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Yes, slavery was one of the issues at hand, but the Civil war was really fought over State's Rights versus Federal Rights.
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yes, a states rights to own slaves. if it weren't for slavery there wouldn't have been much to bother about in the first place.
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Been reading "History for Dummies" again?
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: AStar617
Originally posted by: notfred
A friend of mine had a nazi flag hung on his wall because he thought it looked cool. He wasn't a nazi.
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I really don't see how this would be considered acceptable, but that's why I'm not his friend I guess 😉
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It was displayed indoors, no one saw it expect people inside his house.
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i actually really like the design myself...too bad the nazi's made the design into an evil symbol.
 
Originally posted by: PHiuRi actually really like the design myself...too bad the nazi's made the design into an evil symbol.
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My house, which dates to the early 1920's has original tile in the foyer that has a few swastikas in it.

 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: torpid
This probably belongs in P&N.

But I wanted to note that I don't get the soldiers couldn't afford slaves logic. Is it less reprehensible to wear a nazi uniform around if your family didn't kill any jews?
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The Nazi flag is a symbol of nazism which was one of the great scourges of the 20th century.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of the southern states' fight to protect state's rights.

Your comparison is weak.
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It's not my comparison. I was just responding to the logic that some soldiers didn't own slaves so it shouldn't matter that they carry a confederate flag. That makes no sense and has nothing to do with whether or not it's ok to wave a confederate flag today, over a hundred years later.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Captain_Howdy
What's worse, being a bigot, or making ASSumptions?
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Definitely, being a bigot.
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Bigotry is based on... get this... IGNORANT ASSUMPTIONS.
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Yes but making assumptions doesn't necessarily mean you are a bigot. Moron...:roll:
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Nope. But it makes you just as stupid as one.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Yes, slavery was one of the issues at hand, but the Civil war was really fought over State's Rights versus Federal Rights.
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yes, a states rights to own slaves. if it weren't for slavery there wouldn't have been much to bother about in the first place.
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There were economic (tariffs are the main complaint), social, and political issues beyond slavery.

Slavery caused a further political/emotional divide because of events of in the previous 50 years trying to determine the legality (or illegality) of slavery in the western territories and new states entering the Union. All attempts at compromise ultimately failed and a lot of bad blood had been created in the process.

The Civil War wasn?t fought because of any single issue. Everyone had their reasons be they economic, political, or moral.
 
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