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I don't understand the Jesus died for our sins thing.

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fuzzybabybunny said:
Huh? But he didn't die. He didn't give up anything. He continued to exist, and in a much better place no less, in heaven.

Right?

That's what I don't get. He KNOWS that by doing XYZ he will WITHOUT A DOUBT, (as certain as 2 + 2 = 4) end up some place AWESOME. So awesome that there are no words to fully describe it.

Where, then, is the sacrifice?

The only thing he gave up was a mortal existence of suffering. He didn't lay down his life.

I'm equating "life" to "existence," arguably the most valuable thing any of us have, and the uncertainty surrounding if we will continue to exist after we die. If the Bible is equating life to something less valuable, like a million dollar house, then, uh, OK.

So he gave up his million dollar house so others could be forgiven for their sins? But then he immediately upgraded to a 100 million dollar house, or whatever. In fact, there wasn't even any doubt that he *wouldn't* get the 100 million dollar house. Where is my analogy failing?
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you're asking too many questions, dude. Just shut up and give them your money weekly.
 
fuzzybabybunny said:
Gotcha. So it's basically taking a valuable resource that you would otherwise use for yourself, and giving it to god and to priests instead? It seems to me that priests would gain a lot (or at least a free meal) by pointing out to people how they were sinning, and then suggesting that a sacrifice would wipe it away.

I also read that later, priests would take cash payment to wipe away sins, presumably because by that time cash was more useful and valuable than animal meat.
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Eh, not saying it's necessarily apples to oranges because people are people and a percentage of people in power will inevitably be corrupt, but the example you're putting out there is a thousand years later and in a different religion with totally different theologies. Jewish priests making sacrifices in 3 AD v Catholic priests selling indulgences in 1400 AD.

I will also note that Jewish priests of the time didn't really need to point out that people were sinning, since the definition of sin was pretty well laid out in black and white in a massive legalistic morass of laws. Which didn't stop people from being judgey, of course. In fact, there was a whole religious faction (not necessarily priests) who were pretty much professionally judgey.
 
Gillbot said:
I don't get it either.
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FBB or his question?

FBB is ungettable. I have no idea what his posts mean, but some of the implications are scary.

The question is ungettable because the answers are completely devoid of logic. Unless you're willing to settle for a story full of holes, you won't get it.
 
lxskllr said:
FBB or his question?

FBB is ungettable. I have no idea what his posts mean, but some of the implications are scary.

The question is ungettable because the answers are completely devoid of logic. Unless you're willing to settle for a story full of holes, you won't get it.
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Any of it really. I guess trollers gonna troll.
 
FeuerFrei said:
Jesus's death wasn't "God's sacrifice." He was OUR sacrifice. God sent him to earth to die for OUR sins. It was a gift. The wages of sin is death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Our blood debt has been paid in full, thanks to Jesus. We could not have paid our debt with our own blood. He died so that we might have life. Jesus sacrificed himself, you could say. Giving up your life is the ultimate sacrifice, whether you think it's big or not. "Greater love hath no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends."

If Jesus hadn't died, we'd all still be sacrificing animals to cover our sins at least. Fun.
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Say what now? 😵

KT
 
I think they're saying Jesus was the only man without sin who ever lived and died. He suffered and died (and spent time in hell) to accept the punishment for all of mankind. Each person is supposedly born a sinner since Adam and Eve, and individuals need to accept God's forgiveness or they go to hell when they die as sinners.
 
fuzzybabybunny said:
What am I missing here? I have to be missing a lot.
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Well you are definitely not getting it, that much is certain. However, I have to assume that if you were interested in a serious answer you would be smart enough to understand you will not get it here. Therefore I can only conclude this is a troll post.

-KeithP
 
I prefer to think of it more like. Well shit..if he died for our sins, im going to sin it up. Dont want the guy to have died for nothing by trying not to sin 😛
 
Why did Jesus have to die for our sins?

The reason Jesus had to die for our sins was so that we could be forgiven and go to be with the Lord. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9) and only God can satisfy the Law requirements of a perfect life and perfect sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins.

All people have sinned against God. But, God is infinitely holy and righteous. He must punish the sinner, the Law- breaker. If He didn't, then His law is not Law for there is no law that is a law without a punishment. The punishment for breaking the Law is death, separation from God. Therefore, we sinners need a way to escape the righteous judgment of God. Since we are stained by sin and cannot keep the Law of God, then the only one who could do what we cannot is God Himself. That is why Jesus is God in flesh. He is both divine and human. He was made under the Law (Gal. 4:4) and He fulfilled it perfectly. Therefore, His sacrifice to God the Father on our behalf is of infinite value and is sufficient to cleanse all people from their sins and undo the offense to God.
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()🙂:awe::biggrin:


http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/why-did-jesus-have-die-our-sins
 
dighn said:
I still don't get it.
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FeuerFrei said:
Jesus's death wasn't "God's sacrifice." He was OUR sacrifice. God sent him to earth to die for OUR sins. It was a gift. The wages of sin is death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Our blood debt has been paid in full, thanks to Jesus. We could not have paid our debt with our own blood. He died so that we might have life. Jesus sacrificed himself, you could say. Giving up your life is the ultimate sacrifice, whether you think it's big or not. "Greater love hath no man than this: that a man lay down his life for his friends."

If Jesus hadn't died, we'd all still be sacrificing animals to cover our sins at least. Fun.
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i mean, were killing animals anyway, they are delicious. if we had to sacrifice them, do we not get to eat them all? i can see people wanting to switch that up
 
xSauronx said:
i mean, were killing animals anyway, they are delicious. if we had to sacrifice them, do we not get to eat them all? i can see people wanting to switch that up
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Why don't we go ahead and call all the animals killed for food "sacrifices to God" then? Shouldn't take much more than a small addendum to the fine print on the packaging, maybe the blessing of a few religious organizations. We could end up WAY ahead on our sacrifices to sins ratio if we start right away. We could actually have advance credit for sins we haven't even committed yet, because there's no way that people commit more sins than KFC kills chickens. Just no way.
 
I believe Jesus Christ's Sacrifice 2000 years ago was and is a revision of love.

A way for us to drive away the false prophets, and idols of today, the wolves in sheep's clothing.

so that we may expose the truth.

that truth is that we are greater then our government.

and Christ doesn't want us meddling in the affairs of it either.

Especially organized religion. a false demonstration of Jesus Christ.

a false demonstration of the spirit that he is forever more.

To show us a better way.

So that we may be cleansed through his blood.
 
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ShagglestheLion said:
I believe Jesus Christ's Sacrifice 2000 years ago was and is a revision of love.

A way for us to drive away the false prophets, and idols of today.

so that we may expose the truth.

that truth is that we are greater then our government.

and Christ doesn't want us meddling in the affairs of it either.

Especially organized religion. a false demonstration of Jesus Christ.

a false demonstration of the spirit that he is forever more.

To show us a better way.

So that we may be cleansed through his blood.
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Damn, how stupid.
Have you ever tried to clean blood from a shirt?
It's damn near impossible!
Now this asshole wants to CLEAN WITH BLOOD?!
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.
Nice forum though.
 
That's actually a misprint. Jesus dies for our SIGNS. There were a lot of protesters back then. Jews were picketing "Kill Jesus", so he was killed because of it.

Also, don't forget that every Easter Jesus rises from the grave and feeds on the flesh of the living, it's usually winter before we catch up with him, and then we sing Christmas carols to lull him back to sleep.

*Jesus Expert*
 
Nintendesert said:
Yeah, I'm sure this is the forum for theological discussions.
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I don't get what's up with the OP lately. Her latest posts border on the just plain weird or bizarre ... and she's a mod, which makes it just that more strange. Either she's not gettin any or she's a trollin.

Are mods allowed to troll in the forums?
 
The whole thing doesn't make sense or is morally stupid.

Why does God require sacrifice? How does the suffering of another being serve as justice for something you did wrong? If you stole something, you couldn't have your brother go to jail for you. That makes no sense. Justice isn't like some kind of credit system that someone else can fulfill it for you.

Plus the whole basis of Jesus making a sacrifice for you is so you don't have to go to hell. So the whole basis of the religion is so you do the right thing to avoid punishment and suffering, which isn't too virtuous. You should do good out of the goodness of your heart and not do it to avoid hell.
 
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Why is it said that "The wages of sin is death"? Who decided that one? Couldn't god have made it so that the wages of sin was mild bowel discomfort for a period not exceeding 24 hours? Maybe he could have made it so that the wages of sin was a persistent itch in the ear canal. God could have sent his only begotten son to itch for all of our sins rather than die if he'd been a little less of a bastard about the whole thing.
 
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