I don't think I can eat in-n-out anymore, why can't they use gloves?

[feralkid]

This. Not being a germophobe leads to a stronger immune system people.

Please stop repeating this bullshit.

 

[shortylickens]

Please stop repeating this bullshit.

Would you like the scientists and doctors to stop repeating it too?

 

[waggy]

Please stop repeating this bullshit.

err actually that's the truth. Studies are showing kids that use tons of hand sanatizer and anti-bacteria soap have a weaker immune system then kids that don't. Also studies have show kids that live in the country with animals have a stronger immune system then kids in the city.

 

[BUTCH1]

err actually that's the truth. Studies are showing kids that use tons of hand sanatizer and anti-bacteria soap have a weaker immune system then kids that don't. Also studies have show kids that live in the country with animals have a stronger immune system then kids in the city.

Yup, kids are SUPPOSED to come into contact with dirt..

 

[JulesMaximus]

Please stop repeating this bullshit.

You=wrong

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

As a Chef who's worked in the business before any type of gloves were common place, we wear them for one reason. It has nothing to do with cleanliness or, decreasing cross contamination. Gloves are worn purely for customer and health inspector perceptions. Running a clean food service has little to do with wearing or, not wearing gloves.

Usually, I wear gloves when serving customers. Sometimes, I don't. If you're the type to leave because I'm not wearing gloves. All I can say is, don't let the door smack you in the ass when you leave.

 

[Craig234]

As a Chef who's worked in the business before any type of gloves were common place, we wear them for one reason. It has nothing to do with cleanliness or, decreasing cross contamination. Gloves are worn purely for customer and health inspector perceptions. Running a clean food service has little to do with wearing or, not wearing gloves.

Usually, I wear gloves when serving customers. Sometimes, I don't. If you're the type to leave because I'm not wearing gloves. All I can say is, don't let the door smack you in the ass when you leave.

That's not a very customer-friendly attitude.

What I'm not comfortable with in food preperation by chefs is if they taste from the spoon they're stirring with and put it back.

Scientifically I'm sure it's ok, but I don't like it.

Another thing I don't like is if I see a cook who touches his face or hair - like people often do - and then touched food without washing.

 

[Scouzer]

Eh... I like when they wear gloves that I've seen them recently put on. The trouble is some people think gloves = clean even when the guy has been wearing the gloves all day. Some of these people will put on gloves at 9AM and take them off at 5PM... so nasty.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That's not a very customer-friendly attitude.

What I'm not comfortable with in food preperation by chefs is if they taste from the spoon they're stirring with and put it back.

Scientifically I'm sure it's ok, but I don't like it.

Another thing I don't like is if I see a cook who touches his face or hair - like people often do - and then touched food without washing.

If I saw anyone tasting something with a cooking spoon, I kick their ass. Washing your hands after touching your face or hair is practicing good sanitation. It's everyone's job to be aware and call attention to poor sanitation practices.

Gloves are window dressing. If you follow good sanitation practices, gloves do not add any protection. If you do not follow good sanitation practices, gloves do not add any protection. It is an overhead cost food operations bear for customer perception.

That said, customer perception is important because now, more than ever, customers have less knowledge of how food gets from the growers to their plate than in any time in the past. In another 10 years, I expect to see fast food workers wearing hazmat suits.

During service, I'm always polite and helpful. When I talk to coworkers and colleagues behind the scene, I'm frequently disdainful and amazed at how clueless the average person is about food.

 

[WelshBloke]

If I saw anyone tasting something with a cooking spoon, I kick their ass. Washing your hands after touching your face or hair is practicing good sanitation. It's everyone's job to be aware and call attention to poor sanitation practices.

Gloves are window dressing. If you follow good sanitation practices, gloves do not add any protection. If you do not follow good sanitation practices, gloves do not add any protection. It is an overhead cost food operations bear for customer perception.

That said, customer perception is important because now, more than ever, customers have less knowledge of how food gets from the growers to their plate than in any time in the past. In another 10 years, I expect to see fast food workers wearing hazmat suits.

During service, I'm always polite and helpful. When I talk to coworkers and colleagues behind the scene, I'm frequently disdainful and amazed at how clueless the average person is about food.

Who cares if your polite?

Just bring me tasty food and dont poison me! :biggrin:

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Who cares if your polite?

Just bring me tasty food and dont poison me! :biggrin:

You must be worthy of my soup!

 

[OCGuy]

So on the first two pages there is a tipping thread, an Apple thread, an anti-bicycle on the road thread, a gun thread, and a religion thread.


What are we missing here......a well-done steak thread?

 

[Born2bwire]

What seriously? As long as they wash their hands then fine. Jesus people.

 

[WelshBloke]

So on the first two pages there is a tipping thread, an Apple thread, an anti-bicycle on the road thread, a gun thread, and a religion thread.


What are we missing here......a well-done steak thread?

Poop thread!!!

 

[tcG]

As a Chef who's worked in the business before any type of gloves were common place, we wear them for one reason. It has nothing to do with cleanliness or, decreasing cross contamination. Gloves are worn purely for customer and health inspector perceptions. Running a clean food service has little to do with wearing or, not wearing gloves.

Usually, I wear gloves when serving customers. Sometimes, I don't. If you're the type to leave because I'm not wearing gloves. All I can say is, don't let the door smack you in the ass when you leave.

Proof OP is dumb.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The gloves often just give a false sense of security. You can watch the same people wear gloves to make your food, take some money, go back to food. Or watch the kitchen workers handle raw meat and cooked meat with the same tongs/spatula/etc.

Do you wear gloves at home? Do you think chefs, or any of the help in a fine restaurant, wear gloves? If they follow the proper procedures of hand-washing, avoid cross-contamination, and observe proper temperatures for foods, that is basically covers 99% of food-safety procedures right there.

<---Lives in MI and hasn't seen an In-N-Out since 90-91, maybe. Maybe the 80's. I would love to go back and eat at one, and I wouldn't care at all about the food safety

Yeah the issue with gloves is people wear them or see people wear them and automatically think "sanitary". If you go to the bathroom wearing those gloves and touch your wee see and then come back without washing your hands (well, gloves) then you may as well not be wearing any.

In hospitals this is bad too. When I was working there I had to take a mandatory hand hygiene seminar and they were talking about isolation patients and how to deal with them. Basically you put on your gloves before touching the curtain and then go in. One nurse brought up the fact that you just touched the curtain with gloves on, and now you will be touching the patent with those (now contaminated) gloves. People were looking at her like she had two heads, including the health and safety guy. I think I was the only one in the room that fully followed her point. Just because you have gloves on does not mean you can go touching everything and still remain sanitary.

It sounds germaphobic but when dealing with food, or hospital patients, it's all about precaution and avoiding spreading something you may not be aware is present.

Proper hand washing > gloves.

Gloves are more handy if you want to protect your own hands, like if you are cleaning up blood or something like that.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Yeah the issue with gloves is people wear them or see people wear them and automatically think "sanitary". If you go to the bathroom wearing those gloves and touch your wee see and then come back without washing your hands (well, gloves) then you may as well not be wearing any.

In hospitals this is bad too. When I was working there I had to take a mandatory hand hygiene seminar and they were talking about isolation patients and how to deal with them. Basically you put on your gloves before touching the curtain and then go in. One nurse brought up the fact that you just touched the curtain with gloves on, and now you will be touching the patent with those (now contaminated) gloves. People were looking at her like she had two heads, including the health and safety guy. I think I was the only one in the room that fully followed her point. Just because you have gloves on does not mean you can go touching everything and still remain sanitary.

It sounds germaphobic but when dealing with food, or hospital patients, it's all about precaution and avoiding spreading something you may not be aware is present.

Proper hand washing > gloves.

Gloves are more handy if you want to protect your own hands, like if you are cleaning up blood or something like that.

You're confusing clean and sanitary. Food services should be clean. Hospitals, at least isolation wards, should be sanitary. Food is inherently healthy, a fact that many seem to disregard. Hospitals, by their function, are inherently unhealthy.

 

[WelshBloke]

People are just too prissy about food nowadays.

Its either dead flesh, or grown in mud. Some of it swims in its own wee.

Some of the best dead flesh is just hung up and left to go a bit iffy before eating.

Its covered in bacteria.

But the thing is its tasty.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

People are just too prissy about food nowadays.

Its either dead flesh, or grown in mud. Some of it swims in its own wee.

Some of the best dead flesh is just hung up and left to go a bit iffy before eating.

Its covered in bacteria.

But the thing is its tasty.

Yup but, most fast food is closer to a manufactured product than a grown one.

 

[skim milk]

What seriously? As long as they wash their hands then fine. Jesus people.

1. You should have seen the guy who was assembling the burger
2. The guy also squeezes the lettuce in his hands for 5 seconds to flatten it and get rid of the water (just placing it on the patty would've been fine, not squeeze it out with your bare hands),
3. It's all about the perception by having some plastic gloves on

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

1. You should have seen the guy who was assembling the burger
2. The guy also squeezes the lettuce in his hands for 5 seconds to flatten it and get rid of the water (just placing it on the patty would've been fine, not squeeze it out with your bare hands),
3. It's all about the perception by having some plastic gloves on

You see? You even admit your distaste is based on perception with no basis in reality.

 

[Craig234]

I've had to recognize I and others are not very rational on food issues.

For one thing, if I had to be involved in the killing of the animals - pigs and cows and chickens - I think I'd be vegetarian and I hate almost all vegetables.

For another, it's so easy to think of the yummy served food and not notice the story of the food - the industrial suffering of the animals we are causing to go through that.

That's enough to make me skip some meat, and should make me skip more.

There's a reason why so much goes into the look of prepared food, including things like food coloring (why did that word suggest 'colon ring?) - it's not that rational.

With e.coli and food poisoning and the flu and more, sure people can be paranoid.

 

[Craig234]

Magnus, Gordon Ramsey doesn't help you with all the restaurants he goes to the kitchen and finds spoiled and disgusting food being served.

Customers are a bit crazy sometimes, but putting aside gloves, there are real cleanliness issues as you know.

Then again, I'm angry with people who I see open packages on the shelf of grapes and sample a handful and walk away. I've asked managers to improve their security.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I've had to recognize I and others are not very rational on food issues.

For one thing, if I had to be involved in the killing of the animals - pigs and cows and chickens - I think I'd be vegetarian and I hate almost all vegetables.

For another, it's so easy to think of the yummy served food and not notice the story of the food - the industrial suffering of the animals we are causing to go through that.

That's enough to make me skip some meat, and should make me skip more.

There's a reason why so much goes into the look of prepared food, including things like food coloring (why did that word suggest 'colon ring?) - it's not that rational.

With e.coli and food poisoning and the flu and more, sure people can be paranoid.

In my opinion, that emotional cut out which is quite common in the U.S., is a delusional disorder. Paranoia is a natural response to the total lack of knowledge or interest in the food we eat. I've lived and worked through it and still have no idea how something so basic to life can be so ignored, discarded and, trivialized by otherwise reasonably educated people.

 

[waggy]

In my opinion, that emotional cut out which is quite common in the U.S., is a delusional disorder. Paranoia is a natural response to the total lack of knowledge or interest in the food we eat. I've lived and worked through it and still have no idea how something so basic to life can be so ignored, discarded and, trivialized by otherwise reasonably educated people.

also blame tv/education whatever. people are bombarded with ads for sanitizers, anti-bacterial everything, etc.

people think any bacteria is bad