I don't like linux, BSD is much better.

[notfred]

"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

 

[mjquilly]

Originally posted by: notfred
"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

BSD RoXoRs! It's soo 733T, dOoD! It jOoNz JoU!

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: mjquilly

Originally posted by: notfred
"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

BSD RoXoRs! It's soo 733T, dOoD! It jOoNz JoU!

Uhh....notfred was "jOoNz"ed?

Sounds frisky.

 

[ElFenix]

linux is sooo 1999.

 

[manly]

On the virtue of MacOS X, Apple is the world's largest volume shipper of UNIX systems. Granted, it's very hard to count Linux system installs and even harder to get Linux preinstalled by any large OEM.

It may not be well known that OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD, but the users are out there nonetheless.

 

[ProviaFan]

I just like Linux better, possibly because I'm familiar with it.

 

[Electrode]

Originally posted by: jliechty
I just like Linux better, possibly because I'm familiar with it.

 

[xSauronx]

i tried to get familiar with linux a couple years ago, pain in the ass, i dont doubt its stability or virtues in a network environment...but for a single user it can be a hassle, or at least it was, ill try it again when theres enough games, or good enough emulation to game, so i dont have to dual boot

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: notfred
"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

oh, i have been using FreeBSD for years, is that cool with you?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: manly
On the virtue of MacOS X, Apple is the world's largest volume shipper of UNIX systems. Granted, it's very hard to count Linux system installs and even harder to get Linux preinstalled by any large OEM.

It may not be well known that OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD, but the users are out there nonetheless.

OS X was built on parts of Darwin, not FreeBSD, you could probably claim that it was built on xBSD though...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: xSauronx
i tried to get familiar with linux a couple years ago, pain in the ass, i dont doubt its stability or virtues in a network environment...but for a single user it can be a hassle, or at least it was, ill try it again when theres enough games, or good enough emulation to game, so i dont have to dual boot

It all depends on what you are used to, installing Mandrake linux is easier than installing XP... for a user that is not used to install XP systems that is...

Using it is as easy as using XP, you click the button (or doubleclick the icon) and the program starts, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the procedure...

(EDIT BTW, winx can run most games hassle-free, try it, you might like it....

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: notfred
"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

oh, i have been using FreeBSD for years, is that cool with you?

I didn't say all users of FreeBSD were like this. It mostly seems to be people that have started using it in the last 3-9 months, and are using it as their primary desktop OS.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

i'm using netbsd as a desktop, starting about a month or two ago. i don't know what the obsession is with trying to insult people for "thinking they are l33ter than you". windows users say linux users are like that, and linux people say bsd users are like that. i like bsd more than linux, of course i'm going to say something about it, just because people take offense doesnt mean i think i'm god of computers. i didnt even have my own windows computer until about 1.75 years ago. i'm not any l33ter than anyone else, i just like to learn, and bsd just feels alot more consistant and high quality than linux.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: manly
On the virtue of MacOS X, Apple is the world's largest volume shipper of UNIX systems. Granted, it's very hard to count Linux system installs and even harder to get Linux preinstalled by any large OEM.

It may not be well known that OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD, but the users are out there nonetheless.

OS X was built on parts of Darwin, not FreeBSD, you could probably claim that it was built on xBSD though...

Darwin is simply Apple's name for the BSD underpinning for the MacOS. I recall they homebrewed the kernel from a Mach microkernel, so it's not one of the *BSD kernels. However, much of the non-kernel Darwin stuff is FreeBSD if I'm not mistaken. There's enough of it in there to substantiate the statement that "OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD". One of those parts is NOT the kernel, which alone would pass the salt test for that statement.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: manly
On the virtue of MacOS X, Apple is the world's largest volume shipper of UNIX systems. Granted, it's very hard to count Linux system installs and even harder to get Linux preinstalled by any large OEM.

It may not be well known that OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD, but the users are out there nonetheless.

OS X was built on parts of Darwin, not FreeBSD, you could probably claim that it was built on xBSD though...

Darwin is simply Apple's name for the BSD underpinning for the MacOS. I recall they homebrewed the kernel from a Mach microkernel, so it's not one of the *BSD kernels. However, much of the non-kernel Darwin stuff is FreeBSD if I'm not mistaken. There's enough of it in there to substantiate the statement that "OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD". One of those parts is NOT the kernel, which alone would pass the salt test for that statement.

yep, the kernel is mach and most of the userland was taken from freebsd (and a fairly old release IIRC...3 something?)

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
i'm using netbsd as a desktop, starting about a month or two ago. i don't know what the obsession is with trying to insult people for "thinking they are l33ter than you". windows users say linux users are like that, and linux people say bsd users are like that. i like bsd more than linux, of course i'm going to say something about it, just because people take offense doesnt mean i think i'm god of computers. i didnt even have my own windows computer until about 1.75 years ago. i'm not any l33ter than anyone else, i just like to learn, and bsd just feels alot more consistant and high quality than linux.

How much experience doyou have with BSD, how much experience w/ linux, and what made you choose BSD over any other OS?

 

[mpitts]

Hell with that. I have been using linux for years and I am not switching.

It's like people that listen to underground music because it is obscure/different/etc. Once one of their favorite bands get popular, instead of being happy for them they label them sellouts and move on to another underground band.

Sometimes people want to be different just for the sake of being different.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: manly
On the virtue of MacOS X, Apple is the world's largest volume shipper of UNIX systems. Granted, it's very hard to count Linux system installs and even harder to get Linux preinstalled by any large OEM.

It may not be well known that OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD, but the users are out there nonetheless.

OS X was built on parts of Darwin, not FreeBSD, you could probably claim that it was built on xBSD though...

Darwin is simply Apple's name for the BSD underpinning for the MacOS. I recall they homebrewed the kernel from a Mach microkernel, so it's not one of the *BSD kernels. However, much of the non-kernel Darwin stuff is FreeBSD if I'm not mistaken. There's enough of it in there to substantiate the statement that "OS X is built on parts of FreeBSD". One of those parts is NOT the kernel, which alone would pass the salt test for that statement.

Ok, then OS X is built on parts of Unix... Sure, you can disassemble the OS into parts and claim that most systems are built on it...

Still, the correct answer is that OS X is built on Darwin... And just like Redhat or mandrake or slackware is based on the same foundation, if i were to create a solution based on Red Hat, you could still claim it was based on slackware... as all are based on the same base-package...

But you would still be wrong...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: notfred
"I used to use Linux when it was underground, but now that it's becoming so mainstream, I've switched to BSD, cause it's not as widely known, and therefore much l33ter."

Now I haven't actually heard anyone say this, but I seem to see a lot of people doing it.... Just felt like commenting on it.

oh, i have been using FreeBSD for years, is that cool with you?

I didn't say all users of FreeBSD were like this. It mostly seems to be people that have started using it in the last 3-9 months, and are using it as their primary desktop OS.

yeah, i know, sorry i jumped on you for that one...

 

[manly]

Apple is on the record as saying Darwin is Mach 3.x + FreeBSD libraries and user-land. So since I'm wrong according to your powerful cogent analysis, they must be bald-faced liars too.

I didn't disassemble anything. Darwin literally is a combination of the Mach kernel and significant FreeBSD modules. I don't know how hacked up those modules became, but the BSD license allows absolute freedom in its use without attribution. Nevertheless, in many people's account, that's enough to say FreeBSD is one of the legs in the foundation of MacOS.

Your analogy is simply logically flawed, because Red Hat and Slackware are both <sarcastic />GNU/Linux systems anyway.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
i'm using netbsd as a desktop, starting about a month or two ago. i don't know what the obsession is with trying to insult people for "thinking they are l33ter than you". windows users say linux users are like that, and linux people say bsd users are like that. i like bsd more than linux, of course i'm going to say something about it, just because people take offense doesnt mean i think i'm god of computers. i didnt even have my own windows computer until about 1.75 years ago. i'm not any l33ter than anyone else, i just like to learn, and bsd just feels alot more consistant and high quality than linux.

How much experience doyou have with BSD, how much experience w/ linux, and what made you choose BSD over any other OS?

i used redhat for a couple months sparingly, and then debian for a year straight (as my only os), and netbsd for the past month or so (maybe bit over a month) - there are lots of things about bsd i like. these are specific to netbsd, as i dont like freebsd nearly as much (although my experience with it is limited)

CLEAN and SIMPLE. the whole netbsd ideal is to find "solutions that make sense", not "fixes that work". that sounds like a catchphrase or something, but it really shows in the OS.

compiling a kernel - i download the source, copy the default config file to my own, edit it, run the config thing (only done it once so far, forget what its called), then make. now, i have a single file called "netbsd". i mv /netbsd /netbsd.old and cp netbsd /netbsd . reboot. no modules, no system map, no boot loader fuss, nothing. cp the file to the spot and reboot.

cd burning - in redhat and others, this is taken care for you, but with distros like debian et al, you have to edit what modules are loaded for scsi emulation, edit your boot loader, reboot, and then burn a cd to your fake scsi cd rom. in netbsd i burn directly to the ide cdrom, on the first reboot after installing. in freebsd you burn directly to the ide cdrom, BUT you have to use their half-ass program called "burncd", not cdrecord.

packages - i like netbsd's package system alot. its the same concept as freebsd's ports. i can also get binary packages ala debian if i want. dependancies are handled for me.

seperation of power - there is the base install sets, and then packages. a package can't remove my xlibs, because pkgsrc doesnt have control over that. it only has control over 3rd party software in pkgsrc, and my x libs are installed via the install cd. installing packages is simpler than debian and IMO better since the ENTIRE system is not just a bunch of packages. installing packages is faster (if i get binary packages, i personally usually dont), and IMO simpler. packages are downloaded from the real site (i.e. mozilla.org for mozilla), then a diff is applied, then its compiled and installed. i've never had a package not compile.

it feels more UNIX and less gnu. i like unix. it is what i loved about linux, and what got me into linux. i don't really like alot of gnu stuff.

MAN PAGES - i abhor info manuals, and netbsd's manual pages are absolutely excellent. you never get that stupid "this manual page is 10 years old and incorrect, because we love info manuals! check out the info manual for this program!"

"the little things" - stuff i cant really think of off the top of my head, but i know theres lots of them.

userbase seems more intelligent and less evangelical.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
whole lot of stuff..

See, you sound like you know what you're talking about. I remember talking to one guy over AIM... I was trying to help him w/ something in apache. The conversation went something like this:

me: "Is this running on a linux system?"
him: "No, it's freebsd"
me: "Why'd you choose freebsd?"
him: "FreeBSD is real UNIX, and that makes it a better server"
me: "ok... anyway, where did you put somefile.ext?"
him: "I'm not sure..."
me: "Search for it."
him: "how would I do that?"
me: "Just do it in the GUI, w/ whatever find util BSD has"
him: "I didn't install a GUI. A real server doesn't need a GUI"
me: "OK, then just use find"
him: "how do I do that? What's find?"


His attitude was not "I'm a newbie, and I need help", but "I'm so l33t, I run BSD, so of course I know what I'm doing". Thing is, he had no clue what was going on... People like him are the ones that bug me.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
whole lot of stuff..

See, you sound like you know what you're talking about. I remember talking to one guy over AIM... I was trying to help him w/ something in apache. The conversation went something like this:

me: "Is this running on a linux system?"
him: "No, it's freebsd"
me: "Why'd you choose freebsd?"
him: "FreeBSD is real UNIX, and that makes it a better server"
me: "ok... anyway, where did you put somefile.ext?"
him: "I'm not sure..."
me: "Search for it."
him: "how would I do that?"
me: "Just do it in the GUI, w/ whatever find util BSD has"
him: "I didn't install a GUI. A real server doesn't need a GUI"
me: "OK, then just use find"
him: "how do I do that? What's find?"


His attitude was not "I'm a newbie, and I need help", but "I'm so l33t, I run BSD, so of course I know what I'm doing". Thing is, he had no clue what was going on... People like him are the ones that bug me.

I get your point, me, i would type these letters f-i-n-d... of course, that can be hard to figure out...

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
whole lot of stuff..

See, you sound like you know what you're talking about. I remember talking to one guy over AIM... I was trying to help him w/ something in apache. The conversation went something like this:

me: "Is this running on a linux system?"
him: "No, it's freebsd"
me: "Why'd you choose freebsd?"
him: "FreeBSD is real UNIX, and that makes it a better server"
me: "ok... anyway, where did you put somefile.ext?"
him: "I'm not sure..."
me: "Search for it."
him: "how would I do that?"
me: "Just do it in the GUI, w/ whatever find util BSD has"
him: "I didn't install a GUI. A real server doesn't need a GUI"
me: "OK, then just use find"
him: "how do I do that? What's find?"


His attitude was not "I'm a newbie, and I need help", but "I'm so l33t, I run BSD, so of course I know what I'm doing". Thing is, he had no clue what was going on... People like him are the ones that bug me.

there's idiots everywhere... bsd is no exception. plus, the majority of "visible" bsd users are the ones on irc, slashdot, forums like this, etc, and those tend to be the less experienced ones. the real smarties live on mailing lists

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
whole lot of stuff..

See, you sound like you know what you're talking about. I remember talking to one guy over AIM... I was trying to help him w/ something in apache. The conversation went something like this:

me: "Is this running on a linux system?"
him: "No, it's freebsd"
me: "Why'd you choose freebsd?"
him: "FreeBSD is real UNIX, and that makes it a better server"
me: "ok... anyway, where did you put somefile.ext?"
him: "I'm not sure..."
me: "Search for it."
him: "how would I do that?"
me: "Just do it in the GUI, w/ whatever find util BSD has"
him: "I didn't install a GUI. A real server doesn't need a GUI"
me: "OK, then just use find"
him: "how do I do that? What's find?"


His attitude was not "I'm a newbie, and I need help", but "I'm so l33t, I run BSD, so of course I know what I'm doing". Thing is, he had no clue what was going on... People like him are the ones that bug me.

I get your point, me, i would type these letters f-i-n-d... of course, that can be hard to figure out...

man find! rtfm newbie!