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I don't like any of the 875P motherboards.

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ICMAN

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People, I just don't like any of the boards out there except for the ASUS. The problem with P4C800 is that it doesn't have the ICH5R SB on it. Otherwise it is perfect for me. I read on this forum that there is a P4C800 NOT deluxe. Here is the link P4C800 I can't find it anywhere on the net except there. I just wonder how one member over here knows about it. It has manuals and was tested with many memory modules. It uses the raid south brigde ICH5R wihtout having the Promise chip on board (which you can simply add as a PCI card if you really which to have it). This is the board I want becuase the only two kinds of boards I buy is Intel and ASUS. Why? Becuase I hate systems that crash. I'm a moderate OCer, for example (CPU:2.4GHz->2.8GHz Memory:200MHz->205MHz). You can't do that with any Intel Boards. But you can almost get the same stability and OC with an ASUS.

So, if anyone knows where we can get this plain P4C800 then let us know becuase I think it is a solution for many people here.

Thanks to you all.

PS:I'm still cursing ASUS for going with the ICH5 and not with the RAID version. Man... they still piss me off every time I try to decide on a board!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
i sort of agree, why not the ich5r on the cantenwood 875 asus

but you will find it on the spingdale asus p4p800, and i am very seriously thinking about getting it. maybe they did this as a marketing tool, since they will sell many more spingdales, and from one review i read, the springdale was actually faster than the cantenwood, asus board.

the asus board p4p800 deluxe has parallel raid and sata, the via raid that is on it is actually high-point

the other board i was looking at was the albtraon pro 865, but is very hard to find. it also has dual raid.

if anyone has any other board that i should look at before i make the plunge , please give me so advice
 
The 875 has the advantage over the 865 with two things:

1) The PAT, which it doen't make a difference which processor you use, but the NB would save about two cycles when trying to access the memory

2) The 875 is compatible with the new generation of Intel processors "prescott" (not sure about the name"). I'll consider the P4P800 and I'll let you know.
 
interesting, didn, t think about the presscott.

pta will give ya , from what i have seen , 3-5% speed increase. for the die-hard speedster, this will probably be very important

i might look at the msi 875 neo2 -fis2r again, i like the dual raid on it

why did anandtech give me such a horrible password
 
The one thing I couldn't understand about the ASUS board was why they are using 3COM gigabit lan through the PCI bus instead of Intel's own Gigabit CSA bus.

In tests against 865 springdale chips, PAT only comes into its own when using an 800mhz fsb.
 
yup, i just read a link at xbits that also stated that intel 865 chipsets will be supported by prescott

xbit link

now i am looking again at the asus p4p800, asus really has got this board to run fast.
 
Check out the Abit IC7-G or the Gigabye GA-8KNXP. Pretty much all intel chipset based boards are pretty stable without problems.
 
Originally posted by: Canterwood
The one thing I couldn't understand about the ASUS board was why they are using 3COM gigabit lan through the PCI bus instead of Intel's own Gigabit CSA bus.

In tests against 865 springdale chips, PAT only comes into its own when using an 800mhz fsb.
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I actually read somewhere that the 3com does outperform the Intel LAN chip. For the life of me I can't remember where. Asus recently has really disappointed me.. I bought a brand new P4C800 and the thing had dead LAN. Coupled with their last few boards (P4G8X the notable exception) they've lost a dedicated customer in me...

 
I think Tom's Hardware has a really good comparison between the baords (http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030519/index.html). ronss DON'T BUY the MSI board. It is good on paper and that is it. The idle temperature of the board is high and so the parts on it would just worn out very quickly.

You can see that the people at TH had a very hard time setting this up till it was o.k. Don't ever buy a board that would take more than an hour to setup (assuming you got a compatible memory modules). Your system would crash more often. I have a Pentium III running at 1 GHz. I have an 800MHz PIII and an ASUS board (CUSL2-C). I can count the times the system crashed on me and all of them are my mistakes. You see, I can't risk something that crashes. If I would have another choice it would be the GA-8KNXP. It is a six layer board.

I don't know why in the world ASUS did this with the LAN controller. I think it is because the iintel controller is more expensive. But then the board (P4C800 DLX) is already expensive. So, I really don't know.

Candian, I think I read what you read about the 3COM performing better somewhere that I can't remember too. But as far as many people are concerned, the Gb LAN would not be at your home for a while long enough that you would upgrade your system before that would happen. But somepeople do have Gigbit LANs and need the high speed connection. So, I really don'r know.

BUT, the main question here is not answered....WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN WE FIND THE ASUS P4C800 NO DLX???????
 
Don't be fooled by the "dark-tweaker" or by "tom's hardware" perfomance comparison. Here is numbers:

At the DT website, the tests were done with the following clocks for each of the baords:

GB: 3458.8 MHz core freaquency, 230.59 MHz FSB, 922.35 MHz Bus
ASUS: 3375.1 MHz, 225 MHz, 900 MHz
Abit: 3588.6 MHz, 239.2 MHz, 956.9 MHz

From these numbers alone you can conculde that Abit is first, GB is second, and ASUS third and that exactly what you see in the results.

Now at the TH website the numbers are:

GB: 3030.14 MHz core freaquency, 202.01MHz FSB, 808.04MHZ BUS
ASUS: 3030.14 MHz core freaquency, 202.01 MHz FSB, 808.04MHz BUS (exactly the same as the GB)
Abit: 3007.34 MHz, 200.49 MHz, 801.96 MHz

taking a look at numbers we see that the abit is third, asus and Gb should be the same. But in testing, ASUS is better than GB and Abit is left behind becuase the FSB and CPU clocks are slower.

We can see that numbers are not a basis to compare the boards except for the case in the TH comparison between the GB and the ASUS were they are exactly the same. And ASUS was better.

Although the Intel board was running at a lower speed (2993.05MHz, 199.54MHz, 798.17MHz) than the Abit, Intel was better.

Conclusion: The quality is in the Intel's and ASUS boards. The colors and features are in the others, although ASUS has many. Have you guys noted that inel and asus are one of the few that don't use active heat sink? Why? Becuase it is not needed!!!!! Yes you don't need a heat sink for the 875p. If you are an overclocker and don't like to see that blus screen of death then the ASUS is for you. If you want a very solid and stable perfomance without the fancy feature, then Intel is the best.

So my friends, don't buy MSI no matter what. Try to find the ASUS P4C800 (not the deluxe version) and it should be a good board. Although I'm considering the P4P800 instead. I think the non-deluxe version of P4C800 will come out soon or something, becuase the manuals are dated May 23 or so.

Good luck and if you know where to find the baord I'm looking for post something here please.
 
the asus p4c800 deluxe version is minus this-

does not have the ich5r chipset, uses the ich5, a bummer
uses the 3com gig lan, not the same as the intel version

the 2 boards i am interested in are-

the gig ga-8knxp-gig boards usually work great with not too many problems
the asus p4p800, does have the ich5 r chipset, a big plus

my 2 cents worth, very tough decision on what board to get, seems like they all have some pluses and minus,s
 
ronss, You would loose perfomance when you go for the 865. The ASUS board that uses 875 with the ICH5R is somewhere out there. I just wish to know where I can buy it from. I'll be waiting till ASUS release the board. If you know an article where it puts the 865 and 875 head to head let me know. I found one on here in anandtech comparing the albarton springdale with the GB 875. Link

If you can wait for another week, then try to do so.

It seems that many of the problems with the new boards out there are highly tied with the BIOS firmware. So wait a little bit more and see what happens.
 
Wait a second, so people are now saying Prescott will work on current mobos? As far as I was aware of, unless Intel changed their mind, Prescott will use a new socket something like the Socket 744. Maybe it might use the same chipset, but not the same socket and therefore mobo.
 
not sure about the prescott, i have read where they are suppose to work on fsb 800 boards-865 and 875

icman- check out some of the reviews on the asus 865 deluxe p4p800, it was outperforming the 875 p4pc800, can,t remember what review it was, but it even shocked the reviewer on how fast it was

i quess i did see a review tonight that had the p4c800 with the ich5r chipset! it was at, it was at hothardware, comparing the abit ic7-g and p4c800, the asus was the faster.

hothardware link
 
I have yet to see a benchmark showing that PAT did any good. Please prove me wrong here because I'd be happy if PAT was actually worth something *)
 
Originally posted by: mrman3k
Wait a second, so people are now saying Prescott will work on current mobos? As far as I was aware of, unless Intel changed their mind, Prescott will use a new socket something like the Socket 744. Maybe it might use the same chipset, but not the same socket and therefore mobo.
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Prescott will start as S478 and later on, move to Socket-T.
 
The new p4pc800E has the ICHR. Seems that waiting like ive done is paying off. PAT and dual raid 0 for SATA is now on the p4pc800E. Goto the company website to read up on this!
 
Originally posted by: 4sTaR
The new p4pc800E has the ICHR. Seems that waiting like ive done is paying off. PAT and dual raid 0 for SATA is now on the p4pc800E. Goto the company website to read up on this!
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Of course PAT is also on the P4P's now (just not called PAT) and neither 865 nor 875 is likely to work with Prescott at this point because of the voltage change. So you might as well save money and get the 865.
 
You're more than welcomed to not like the 875's. A lot of people don't like late model mustang's either. But, unfortunatley for them, I happen to like and own both. Abit IC7 is the god board for someone like me. What can the premium models do for someone who doesen't raid, doesent have gigabit switches, barley consideres using 1 SATA port in the next 2 years, and has a 4x10/100 nic server board?

It's a matter of finding the shoe that fits. Sprindale came too late for me and the IC7 was right-place right time. No regrets. If you don't like them, thats your right... just don't expect me to conform.

For the record. My ABIT IC7 has NEVER crashed. Not even an end process on explorer. NOTHING. Tom's is retarded on topics like these. the only way they could have had problems with those power jacks would have been if they were doing it upside down. noobs. lmao. Ever since the v15 bios, all i can say is damn. my 3dmark is just like my quarter mile. I'm not crashing 18k, but who would know the difference at that speed when everyone is pissing themselves anyway.
 
Ic7 sucks though. I dont use most of that stuff either, but you still spent $140 on a board that lacks the features of other similar cost boards. 🙂 ....As long as yer happy thats all that matters.
 
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