I dont know about you guys but...

[daveymark]

That's what happens when you're at the top, everyone tries to bring you down. keep up the good work, Ozzie.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Classless players and teams bean other players. I hate it! I haven't seen the Cards purposefully hit people, nor have i seen the Nationals do it (This year at least). I liked the Astros until they decided to pitch at Bonds (I dislike Bonds in almost every way but you dont pitch at someone).

-Kevin

I used to pitch in Middle School and High School. If I was on the mound and somebody threw at one of my guys, I may have waited a few innings, but sure enough someone got theirs.

It keeps the game in check. If a team knows they can throw at guys and you won't do anything about them, it gives them free reign to throw purposely at your studs and allows them to work the inside part of the plate real tight and then they come back outside after the back you off.

You're missing the point. Ponson (opposing pitcher) didn't intentionally hit the White Sox batters. I agree with you, that throwing at someone is warranted in retaliation for someone who was intentionally hit. Guillen was just being a pu$$y about it, just like Big Unit and his pu$$y catcher did last week and got suspended 5 games for it. These morons are such primadonnas that if ANYONE hits them, even unintentionally, they will retaliate. That's not the right way to play the game, that's a pu$$y right there. I have no respect for pitchers/managers who intentionally hit someone for no reason. If my cleanup guy just hit 2 HRs and gets plunked, then yeah I'm going to retaliate. If my cleanup guy gets hit with men on base in a close game, then I'm not going to retaliate it's no big deal. Big difference.

Guillen needs to go, he can't keep his mouth shut, he's like the stupid in law who gets drunk at family get togethers and starts spouting racial slurs (i.e. low class). Except Ozzie isn't drunk. I guarantee you if Chicago had a losing record and didn't win a WS last year, he would be gone. Let's see how long it takes for him to open his mouth again.

 

[z42]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Retaliation is part of the game. And that pitcher was an idiot for refusing to hit the batter. I agree with you on the rest of the stuff.

Retaliation is not a part of the game. Thats like saying when driving, if someone cuts you off you have to rear end them to get back.

Notice people embrace the classy players, Pujols, Clemens, Jeter (etc...). People like Guillen and Pierzynski (Not to pick on the White Sox because i really do like them) lack all of that class.

I have played baseball since i was a little kid (T-Ball) and never once have i heard that hitting a batter in retaliation is acceptable. I applaud that pitcher for not hitting the batter. I would never pitch (Im a pitcher) at someone, regardless of the consequences (And that includes Bonds).

-Kevin

HAHAHAHAHAHA You just lost all baseball credibility. Clemens is a class act? That guy throws at anyone who gets close to the plate. If he's really on his 'roid rage he might even throw a bat at you. By the way, T-ball is not professional baseball. You really know nothing about baseball if you have never heard that retaliation is acceptable. IT"S REQUIRED. You seem to live in some kind of baseball fairy tale land where the other team wants you to win. The only way to protect your players from getting thrown at is retaliation. If your pitching staff doesn't protect it's own hitters when the team's perception is that they are being intentionally hit then your players will continue to get hit.

I'm not saying that Guillen isn't a nutjob, he most definitely is. He's a macho, ignorant, ethnocentric hot-head. But he is a good manager and he was right to send the pitcher back to the minors for not hitting the guy in the hip. It's debatable whether he should have yelled at the guy. You can look at it from the young pitcher's POV, or you can look at it from the manager's where a rookie is defying him in front of the team.

In summary:
1. Retaliation is required. You can hit someone in the thigh/waist area to make a point without hurting them.
2. Guillen is a wacko
3. Pitcher should have listened to his boss in his first week on the job.

 

[WT]

The pitcher should have held onto the ball until Ozzie ripped into him in the dugout and cursed him out about sending him back to the minors .... then reared back and put his best fastball right into Guillen's head !! Now THAT is a brushback *cough* that I would 100% support !!! Sign that man to a contract !!
Ozzie is nothing but an out of control punk who believes he's playing in the Ty Cobb era of baseball. Lemme tell ya, Cobb would have spiked him right in the jugular on the field and left him bleed the **** to death as he proceeded to advance another base.

 

[Gamingphreek]

It keeps the game in check. If a team knows they can throw at guys and you won't do anything about them, it gives them free reign to throw purposely at your studs and allows them to work the inside part of the plate real tight and then they come back outside after the back you off.

Maybe in a game with no umpires. There is no need to retaliate. If a guy continues to hit guys he will get ejected; there is no need to take it into your own hands. Let the people play the game, dont take the game out of their hands just because you have a chip on your shoulder.

Ozzie Guillen says what he thinks ok... That further proves my point that he is a classless jerk (HE EVEN THINKS THAT WAY).

As for Pierzynski he is a hot head. He has a chip on his shoulder the size of the grand canyon. To go back to the play with Michael Barret (Whom i also dont like too much). What barrett did was way out of line, but on the other hand, i dont care about these people saying it was a clean slide, Pierzynski purposely bowled him over. There was no need for that. But we can let that slide, its baseball and its going to happen, but then what he did was he taunted him when he got up. GIVE ME A BREAK!

I just lost all baseball credibility. Ok example for Clemens. Minor league start a few weeks ago, the guy with the same number as him came up to the plate. He decided ill throw him a slow one right down the center and let him jack it. He did and the guy drove it a mile and a half. Afterwards (after the game) Clemens laughed and congratulated the player and what not. He sacrificed his ERA just for the hell of it.

Ill condone some inside pitches to back players off the plate, but make no mistake, it is never acceptable to purposely hit another player.

-Kevin

Oh yeah did you guys even hear Guillens "apology". "Im sorry i didn't mean anything against gay people, but Mariotti is a piece of ******...." AND HE JUST WENT ON AND ON!!!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

It keeps the game in check. If a team knows they can throw at guys and you won't do anything about them, it gives them free reign to throw purposely at your studs and allows them to work the inside part of the plate real tight and then they come back outside after the back you off.

Maybe in a game with no umpires. There is no need to retaliate. If a guy continues to hit guys he will get ejected; there is no need to take it into your own hands. Let the people play the game, dont take the game out of their hands just because you have a chip on your shoulder.

::snip::

I just lost all baseball credibility. Ok example for Clemens. Minor league start a few weeks ago, the guy with the same number as him came up to the plate. He decided ill throw him a slow one right down the center and let him jack it. He did and the guy drove it a mile and a half. Afterwards (after the game) Clemens laughed and congratulated the player and what not. He sacrificed his ERA just for the hell of it.

Ill condone some inside pitches to back players off the plate, but make no mistake, it is never acceptable to purposely hit another player.

-Kevin

You can throw at a batter without making it glaringly obvious, especially with the control some of these MLB pitchers have. Purposely beaning a batter doesn't mean hitting them in between the shoulder blades. Riding him high and tight and catching an elbow or arm gets the same message across.

If a guy is riding your batters uncomfortably inside, he may not be purposefully throwing at him, but he knows exactly what he's doing. Sure he may "accidentally" (and I have that in quotes because he knows eventually a balls gonna get away from him and plunk someone) hit a batter, but you have to show him you're not going to let him get away with it. It's called protecting your hitters, and your teammates tend to respect you more when they know you'll step up for them when the time comes.

As for Clemens. We are talking about THE Roger Clemens, right? The same guy that everyone hated on Boston for being such a headhunter. The guys in the top 15 all-time for HBP for crying out loud. Only after he came did the NL did he cut his crap. He is the epitome of what a headhunter is, and often times threw at people in retaliation.

 

[daveymark]

looks like ozzie just got suspended for admitting baseball's dirty little secret. Like Cuban says - "a business expense"

 

[waggy]

i agree with the suspension. while disgusting that he says such stuff i would rather have him over Dusty baker.

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: z42

HAHAHAHAHAHA You just lost all baseball credibility. Clemens is a class act? That guy throws at anyone who gets close to the plate. If he's really on his 'roid rage he might even throw a bat at you. By the way, T-ball is not professional baseball. You really know nothing about baseball if you have never heard that retaliation is acceptable. IT"S REQUIRED. You seem to live in some kind of baseball fairy tale land where the other team wants you to win. The only way to protect your players from getting thrown at is retaliation. If your pitching staff doesn't protect it's own hitters when the team's perception is that they are being intentionally hit then your players will continue to get hit.

I'm not saying that Guillen isn't a nutjob, he most definitely is. He's a macho, ignorant, ethnocentric hot-head. But he is a good manager and he was right to send the pitcher back to the minors for not hitting the guy in the hip. It's debatable whether he should have yelled at the guy. You can look at it from the young pitcher's POV, or you can look at it from the manager's where a rookie is defying him in front of the team.

In summary:
1. Retaliation is required. You can hit someone in the thigh/waist area to make a point without hurting them.
2. Guillen is a wacko
3. Pitcher should have listened to his boss in his first week on the job.

Good post here...

Retaliation is part of the game, those that think it isn't are naive. I can remember playing even High School ball it was part of the game.

BTW didn't most people on ESPN discuss that the pitcher wasn't necessarily sent down due to not following the coach, more that he was getting replaced by someone earlier that day anyway?

I agree though that Guillen is getting out of hand with the recent derogatory comments and needs to be supsended.

 

[torpid]

I like him because he is like the toxic avenger.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: daveymark
looks like ozzie just got suspended for admitting baseball's dirty little secret. Like Cuban says - "a business expense"

He didn't get suspended for that. He got suspended because he order RP Riske to plunk Chris Duncan after warnings were issued.

-Kevin

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Retaliation is part of the game. And that pitcher was an idiot for refusing to hit the batter. I agree with you on the rest of the stuff.

Retaliation is not a part of the game. Thats like saying when driving, if someone cuts you off you have to rear end them to get back.

Notice people embrace the classy players, Pujols, Clemens, Jeter (etc...). People like Guillen and Pierzynski (Not to pick on the White Sox because i really do like them) lack all of that class.

I have played baseball since i was a little kid (T-Ball) and never once have i heard that hitting a batter in retaliation is acceptable. I applaud that pitcher for not hitting the batter. I would never pitch (Im a pitcher) at someone, regardless of the consequences (And that includes Bonds).

-Kevin

You just contradict yourself by naming Clemens.
He is notorious for retaliation and he pitches inside more than any pitcher.

 

[Alprazolam]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: daveymark
looks like ozzie just got suspended for admitting baseball's dirty little secret. Like Cuban says - "a business expense"

He didn't get suspended for that. He got suspended because he order RP Riske to plunk Chris Duncan after warnings were issued.

-Kevin

Ozzie did that to stand up for his team dumbass. The sox always get hit, and then get warned so they can't retaliate, well he got fed up.

This thread SUCKS a big one.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Alprazolam

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: daveymark
looks like ozzie just got suspended for admitting baseball's dirty little secret. Like Cuban says - "a business expense"

He didn't get suspended for that. He got suspended because he order RP Riske to plunk Chris Duncan after warnings were issued.

-Kevin

Ozzie did that to stand up for his team dumbass. The sox always get hit, and then get warned so they can't retaliate, well he got fed up.

This thread SUCKS a big one.

Why dont you discuss the topic instead of coming in here and trolling. What did i do to deserve being called a dumbass. WHen you are ready to have a civilized discussion like 99% of the other people in this thread come back.

You just contradict yourself by naming Clemens.
He is notorious for retaliation and he pitches inside more than any pitcher.

Granted i dont know everything about Clemens. Im only 18 so i can say much for his early major league career, but right now he is certainly a model player. You cant say enough about him.

-Kevin

 

[FallenHero]

cry about it

 

[Gamingphreek]

Why has this thread brought an influx of trolls and losers. Go crap someone elses thread!

-Kevin

Edit: I wonder how Ozzie will react tonight. Last game of the series.

 

[Sukhoi]

I didn't realize it was David Riske that refused to hit the batter. He's been around for ages, and knows what he was supposed to do. I don't understand why he wouldn't hit the batter, unless it was a good friend or something.

 

[dbk]

I love Ozzie Guillen..very old school. I respect Ozzie Guillen, he's a players manager. He doesn't put up with any crap from the media. Ask any of those players in the locker room, I'm sure they got nothing but respect for the guy. It's unfortunate he called Mariotti a "i love you" but like he said, it wasn't anything towards the gay community-it was directed towards him. He already apologized to the gay community for that. Mariotti is a piece of sh!t. He loves to dog the Chicago teams. He even rejected Guillen's offer to sit with him. What a pvssy.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
I didn't realize it was David Riske that refused to hit the batter. He's been around for ages, and knows what he was supposed to do. I don't understand why he wouldn't hit the batter, unless it was a good friend or something.

I don't think it was Riske, as Riske was suspended already for hitting a Cardinal batter. I believe he was gone for 3 games while Ozzie was suspended for 1 game.

 

[Sukhoi]

Ah, nevermind then. I must have confused the two situations.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Ah, nevermind then. I must have confused the two situations.

I love how he says that he doesn't think he is going to follow Selig's orders. He thinks he will just not go to the classes.

Whats more, he now thinks that he needs to take English classes first (Never mind that he hasn't needed them up until now for the past 20 Years).

EVEN MORE, he says that he doesn't think he wants to take the English classes because he is too old for classroom instruction.

The guy is classless jerk. He cant even openly apologize, he has to contradict the "apology" every time he attempts it.

-Kevin