Its a no win situation for the cops. Use probably cause to prevent it and you'll get accused of racial profiling and the likes. Let them go, and get blame for the rise of crime rates and the high number of drug offenders/traffic, as well as the bad reputation/blame if he does a drug deal gone awry and wasted a few innocent bystanders.....
<< remember people that you can be arrested and detained without charges.
At this point you have no rights. >>
exactly---I believe you can be held for up to 72 hrs. without being charged.
The bottom line here is simple. The man broke the law. He had cocaine on him. The reason he was pulled over should not alleviate him of guilt for the crime he committed. While I am not saying it is right to pull someone over based on their race, but it is not right to use that as a ticket to break the law. If he were a murderer, would we let him go, becuase he was pulled over (maybe) based on race? People would think differently if they looked at it from a different point of view. This man could be feeding your children cocaine, he should be punished for it, and this whole "racial profiling" fad is creating an "out" for criminals, and I think that is wrong. They create this system, to supposively promote racial harmony, but in reality, they are fueling the fire of racism. Not only is this reminding us that people should be treated differently based on race, (so much for togetherness, lets separate) but I think it promotes racism when minorites are allowed to get away with crimes because they are a minority.
<< Attorney General John J. Farmer Jr. has already dropped criminal charges in 77 cases involving allegations of racial profiling. >>
77 people who committed crimes, are now walking the streets, because of the color of thier skin. My point exactly.
<< After two other troopers arrived as backup, Bethune asked Payton if he would sign a consent form to search the car. Payton agreed, and the officers found a package containing 188 grams of cocaine and a cloned cell phone. >>
He committed a crime. Thats what I get from this little statement.
<< Consent searches have come under increased scrutiny by state and federal officials looking into allegations of racial profiling by the state police. >>
So, when these Racial profiling advocates get their way, this coke dealer will go free, and not be harrassed by these pesky police officers.
<< Not sure if anyone posted this little tidbit of info. If you're pulled over and they ask to search your vehicle. If you say no, then they'll arrest you on the spot. If you say yes and they find something illegal, then you're screwed as well. Catch 22.
YOU HAVE NO REAL RIGHTS!!!! Took a criminal law class and pretty much from what I've learned this is the case. If you refuse anything when you're pulled over you'll be arrested. Plainly stated, the moment you are pulled over you are "under arrest." >>
This is an ignorant point of view. You do have rights, when you carry drugs in your car, those rights no longer apply. Its not a Catch 22, because If I get pulled over, whether they search me or not, I dont get arrested, Bottom line. People amaze me.
<< Attorney General John J. Farmer Jr. has already dropped criminal charges in 77 cases involving allegations of racial profiling. >>
77 people who committed crimes, are now walking the streets, because of the color of thier skin. My point exactly.
<< After two other troopers arrived as backup, Bethune asked Payton if he would sign a consent form to search the car. Payton agreed, and the officers found a package containing 188 grams of cocaine and a cloned cell phone. >>
He committed a crime. Thats what I get from this little statement.
<< Consent searches have come under increased scrutiny by state and federal officials looking into allegations of racial profiling by the state police. >>
So, when these Racial profiling advocates get their way, this coke dealer will go free, and not be harrassed by these pesky police officers.
<< Not sure if anyone posted this little tidbit of info. If you're pulled over and they ask to search your vehicle. If you say no, then they'll arrest you on the spot. If you say yes and they find something illegal, then you're screwed as well. Catch 22.
YOU HAVE NO REAL RIGHTS!!!! Took a criminal law class and pretty much from what I've learned this is the case. If you refuse anything when you're pulled over you'll be arrested. Plainly stated, the moment you are pulled over you are "under arrest." >>
This is an ignorant point of view. You do have rights, when you carry drugs in your car, those rights no longer apply. Its not a Catch 22, because If I get pulled over, whether they search me or not, I dont get arrested, Bottom line. People amaze me.
<< Hell yeah, awesome job! They are trained to notice suspicious behavior and that's exactly what they did. Found some drugged out freak carrying around cocaine and now he's going to jail for a long time. He's not going to be mugging people so he can get his next fix or driving around stoned out of his mind. Because of them, I don't have to worry about this guy.
We are safer now because the police guy had a hunch that turned out to be true. Sometimes they just do amazing work!
>>
Exactly. Do you guys realize how important "profiling" people really is to thier job? There are some cases to where it is to an advantage. Sometimes its the best way to do things. When you apply for a job, you are being profiled. They dont hire you without getting an idea of who you are. Otherwise, companies would have to hire people based on the fact that they can walk, talk and breathe. Its a part of thier job. Its not just racial, either, who is more likely to be pulled over, me, driving in my car,
or some sh*tbag white trash guy driving a beat up datsun with a 4:20 sticker on thier car? Probably him. And I can guarantee they wont find drugs in my car, but what are the chances of the white trash guy having dope? Considerably better.
The point is not the cop gets away because he got lucky by finding a bag of coke. The point is in the principle. The question is, what constitutes probable cause? Is being nervous after being pulled over by a cop probable cause? Is being black probable cause for getting your car searched? (some debate over whether it applies in this case, but still worth considering) And if you deny a search, is that probable cause for a search anyway? In the last question, yes, a police officer can legally search your car if you deny him/her a request to search your car. Bottom line, if a cop wants to search your car, s/he will find a way to do it, and there's nothing you can rationally do to stop it. People cite the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument, but again, that is not the point. If I have a right against unreasonable searches I better damn well have the right to exercise it. I don't carry contraband on me, and I don't want a cop casually searching me and my stuff unless he has a good reason to do so. Sorry if some of you don't care, but many people do care about their privacy.
25 years for having a few grams of drugs, and then you have 5 years probabtion and desk work for a cop that killed an unarmed suspect. But yet you guys applaud the officers in this case?:disgust:
I'd love to see the day when its one of your family members in this situation.:frown:
I'd love to see the day when its one of your family members in this situation.:frown:
<< I'd love to see the day when its one of your family members in this situation. >>
Well, what if this guy was to introduce cocaine to your children? You would feel sorry for him less, I am sure. I am glad he will be locked away for at least a portion of this time. I cant believe the amount of people who think someone's race gives them a ticket to commit crimes.
<< The question is, what constitutes probable cause? >>
I would say whenever a police officer suspects something, they should go for it. Who would know better what to look for than police, who see this sort of thing everyday. We, as people, put police officers in a position of authority, and trust thier judgement, to keep us safe. That is their primary purpose. We trust our lives to these people, and we owe our safety, and our way of life, to them. While there are a few bad apples, most police officers are there for commitment to protecting people. There is not much money, glamour, or fame, just putting thier lives on the line everyday, to save ours. And I sleep pretty well at night knowing that police officers are using thier knowledge, experience and gut instinct, to know who to go after, who to pay attention to, and when to check them out. And they can search my car anytime they want. They are trained professionals here, folks, thats what you are forgetting.
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I'd love to see the day when it's one of your family members in this situation.
First, if any member of my family were in possession of drugs and caught by the police as far as I am concerned that relative can rot in jail. Blood may be thicker than water, but it's not thick enough for me to overlook idiocy (and drug use is nothing short of idiocy). Second, I really don't see any of my relatives would be in possession of such substances, rendering your argument moot. I have been stopped by the police a couple of times myself, and while I was nervous both times I was quite far from shaking. For someone to be so nervous as to actually be shaking is as good as wearing a sign that says "I'm breaking the law". Whether or not it's comfortable to acknowledge, the fact remains.
Zenmervolt
First, if any member of my family were in possession of drugs and caught by the police as far as I am concerned that relative can rot in jail. Blood may be thicker than water, but it's not thick enough for me to overlook idiocy (and drug use is nothing short of idiocy). Second, I really don't see any of my relatives would be in possession of such substances, rendering your argument moot. I have been stopped by the police a couple of times myself, and while I was nervous both times I was quite far from shaking. For someone to be so nervous as to actually be shaking is as good as wearing a sign that says "I'm breaking the law". Whether or not it's comfortable to acknowledge, the fact remains.
Zenmervolt
5 years probabtion and desk work for a cop that killed an unarmed suspect.
Which unarmed suspect is this, the one that killed a cop by running him over, or the one who dropped his gun and ran after firing shots at a police car? Please, it's bullsh!t that this cop even got punished at all, it was only done to try to ease public scrutiny.
Which unarmed suspect is this, the one that killed a cop by running him over, or the one who dropped his gun and ran after firing shots at a police car? Please, it's bullsh!t that this cop even got punished at all, it was only done to try to ease public scrutiny.
25 years for having a few grams of drugs, and then you have 5 years probabtion and desk work for a cop that killed an unarmed suspect. But yet you guys applaud the officers in this case?
You seem to forget something about most of the unarmed people shot by police. I'm not going to say that they were asking for it, but most were running from the police, or they put the police in a very bad situation.
A while back here in Chicago, a unarmed black woman was shot and killed by police. Many people started shouting racism, but a black woman police officer shot her.
The woman who was shot was a passenger in a car that first led police on a high speed chase. As the chase ended, the woman passenger jumped out and had something in her hand. I believe it was a paddlelock. It was shiny, and the black woman police officer thought it was a gun and shot her. It was a mistake, but what would you do?
The police officer's career has been ruined. She lost her job, and I doubt she ever works as a police officer anywhere again. The city of Chicago settled out of court with the family. The settlement was over a million dollars, but I don't remember the exact amount.
You seem to forget something about most of the unarmed people shot by police. I'm not going to say that they were asking for it, but most were running from the police, or they put the police in a very bad situation.
A while back here in Chicago, a unarmed black woman was shot and killed by police. Many people started shouting racism, but a black woman police officer shot her.
The woman who was shot was a passenger in a car that first led police on a high speed chase. As the chase ended, the woman passenger jumped out and had something in her hand. I believe it was a paddlelock. It was shiny, and the black woman police officer thought it was a gun and shot her. It was a mistake, but what would you do?
The police officer's career has been ruined. She lost her job, and I doubt she ever works as a police officer anywhere again. The city of Chicago settled out of court with the family. The settlement was over a million dollars, but I don't remember the exact amount.
lessons learned?
Don't go around waving things that look like guns at the police when they have a gun drawn on you. Don't try to run over them, don't start fighting them. Don't kick them, don't try to beat them up...you'll lose.
jeez, how hard is that to understand?
In my town about 4 "unarmed" people have been killed by the police in the past year or two. I put quotes around these "unarmed" criminals because I consider A 3 ton car that you try to run over a policeman with a deadly weapon. Thank goodness the police officers had the training and skill to protect themselves and others with deadly force.
Don't go around waving things that look like guns at the police when they have a gun drawn on you. Don't try to run over them, don't start fighting them. Don't kick them, don't try to beat them up...you'll lose.
jeez, how hard is that to understand?
In my town about 4 "unarmed" people have been killed by the police in the past year or two. I put quotes around these "unarmed" criminals because I consider A 3 ton car that you try to run over a policeman with a deadly weapon. Thank goodness the police officers had the training and skill to protect themselves and others with deadly force.
<<Which unarmed suspect is this, the one that killed a cop by running him over, or the one who dropped his gun and ran after firing shots at a police car? Please, it's bullsh!t that this cop even got punished at all, it was only done to try to ease public scrutiny.>>
I was not talking about someone that killed a cop or shot at a cop.........There are several cases where the cops have gotten away with murder(I'm sure you know those, but i won't go into them) Nobody is above the law, i don't care if he's protecting the society or not. He breaks the law, he should pay for it.
Granted that when a civilian that breaks the law should serve his time, so should a policeman that has disgraced his profession through corruption or murder too. But no, they are protecting us, they make me feel better at night, we shouldn't be as harsh on them....What a load of bull!!!
I was not talking about someone that killed a cop or shot at a cop.........There are several cases where the cops have gotten away with murder(I'm sure you know those, but i won't go into them) Nobody is above the law, i don't care if he's protecting the society or not. He breaks the law, he should pay for it.
Granted that when a civilian that breaks the law should serve his time, so should a policeman that has disgraced his profession through corruption or murder too. But no, they are protecting us, they make me feel better at night, we shouldn't be as harsh on them....What a load of bull!!!
There are several cases where the cops have gotten away with murder(I'm sure you know those, but i won't go into them)
I don't know of any. Besides, they would be BY FAR the exception. Civilians get away with murder too anyway, so what?
I don't know of any. Besides, they would be BY FAR the exception. Civilians get away with murder too anyway, so what?
I do not care if they are "BY FAR" the exception. ANYONE that breaks the law must pay the penalty....including a civilian caught with drugs on him or a cop that killed an unarmed man
<< In my city the cops are getting a hard time because the majority of the people they pull over are black. Well, the majority of people in this city are black. Makes sense to me. The majority of the people that commit crimes in this city are black. It seems to me like the "race card" is being played, way, way, to often. >>
What Twin Cities are you from sysadmin???? The Twin Cities I live in still has a huge majority of caucasins in it. AND YES THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE TWIN CITIES DO PROFILE IN MORE WAYS THAN RACIALLY!
I watch it daily and I've been a victim of profiling and "routine stops" in this area more times (at least 6 times in 2 years) than combined in my life. AND I'M WHITE! You see, I'm in the military and drive around with South Dakota plates. The last time I was pulled over was because I "was swerving within my lane" on a 6 lane freeway. I asked "Did I cross over the white lines of my lane at any time?" Officer replied, "No. Have you been drinking?" I replied, "Ummm no, it's 11:30pm, I'm still in my stupid parttime job uniform and there is no evidence of alcohol whatsoever" He asked "Well why were you swerving?" I replied, "I didn't cross over the boundries of my lane, I'm tired after working a 16 hour day, you pulled me over solely for having out of state plates. Now can I please have my South Dakota license and go home and you can get back to your profiling that you Twin Citians are famous for? And can I get your badge number so I can talk to your supv. about your profiling actions?"
I was immediately given back my license and told to have a good evening. The cop took off and 1 mile down the road pulled over a car with Wisconsin plates.
Now,it's been proven in the Twin Cities that they cops are guilty of racial profiling. My coworkers are constantly stopped. One drives a full sized van and is black. One drives a new Caddy and is Hispanic with a black wife.
I get tired of the profiling crap. The guy may be guilty as sin, but I believe his civil rights were violated.
I do not care if they are "BY FAR" the exception. ANYONE that breaks the law must pay the penalty....including a civilian caught with drugs on him or a cop that killed an unarmed man
So what's your point then? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with that.
So what's your point then? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with that.
<< . But no, they are protecting us, >>
who would call if someone had broken into your house, and they were in the house when you got home? Exactly. I could state a thousand examples of how police protect you
they make me feel better at night, we shouldn't be as harsh on them....What a load of bull!!! [/i] >>
Ask someone in, say Nigeria, how thier life is. They would love to have the civility we have here.
And I am not saying we should not be harsh on them, you did. I think we should be harsh when they have done something wrong. I said we should respect thier judgement and authority. You are twisting my words.
I am sorry if some cokehead thinks his rights were violated. I have no sympathy.
<< You know Chris Rock's comedy skit, "How to avoid getting beat down by the cops." >>
That skit was hilarious, too bad they don't play old episodes much and I can't find any place to download a clip of it.
<<So what's your point then? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with that.>>
Point being Justice is not dispensed equally.
<<Ask someone in, say Nigeria, how thier life is. They would love to have the civility we have here. >>
Definitely, but not to be treated unfairly 'cause of their color....it wouldn't be different for them if they were back there.
Point being Justice is not dispensed equally.
<<Ask someone in, say Nigeria, how thier life is. They would love to have the civility we have here. >>
Definitely, but not to be treated unfairly 'cause of their color....it wouldn't be different for them if they were back there.
<< Definitely, but not to be treated unfairly 'cause of their color....i >>
You state that as fact, when it is merely an opinion, a very generalized opinion. I am saying, part of the reason we can walk down the street without being beaten or robbed in everyday, is because of police. Maybe you do not respect their authority , fine. But to deny that they are responsible for keeping us safe day to day, is ignorant. what would happen if tommorow, all police officers quit thier job? Every one of them moved to canada, and left us to fend for themselves? Our way of life would be trashed by nightfall. You may feel the cokehead was treated unfairly. Whatever. What is unfair is, because of people like you, people like him get more lenience, which directly affects people like me. When someone robs my house, it could be someone who was let free by someone who thinks like you. And this is why I disagree.
So Unix, your trying to tell me 25 years is appropiate for have a few grams of drugs? 25? Dood think about what 25 years is like not 25months. I've been locked up before for only a couple months and its like hell, i can't even imagine what 1 year 2 years and 25 years is like, if only a couple months is stressful. He is only 24 now 25 years is half his life, if he doesn't have any children now he damn sure won't have any when he gets out.
Introduce drugs to my children? Dood its not like he drove to columbia and brouht it into the United States. Ok he had drugs, and was speeding give em 5 years and probation.
I'm black myself so of course this upsets me. I don't even want to take the bus now let alone drive a car after this.:disgust:
Introduce drugs to my children? Dood its not like he drove to columbia and brouht it into the United States. Ok he had drugs, and was speeding give em 5 years and probation.
I'm black myself so of course this upsets me. I don't even want to take the bus now let alone drive a car after this.:disgust:
Point being Justice is not dispensed equally.
Nothing new there. Anyway, when a cop kills someone who threatened them or others then it's not even close to murder.
Nothing new there. Anyway, when a cop kills someone who threatened them or others then it's not even close to murder.
officers found a package containing 188 grams of cocaine
Just curious, how does 188 grams become a few grams?
Just curious, how does 188 grams become a few grams?
I replied, "I didn't cross over the boundries of my lane, I'm tired after working a 16 hour day, you pulled me over solely for having out of state plates
Just out of curosity, were you swerving within your lane? I've seen people who were swerving within their lane (and not crossing the boundries) and to be honest, they made me nervous as heck. If you were swerving, I'm glad the police stopped you and made sure you weren't drinking and driving.
Just out of curosity, were you swerving within your lane? I've seen people who were swerving within their lane (and not crossing the boundries) and to be honest, they made me nervous as heck. If you were swerving, I'm glad the police stopped you and made sure you weren't drinking and driving.
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