I don't care about the NCAA tournament anymore

dasherHampton

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I didn't even know it was selection Sunday and I used to live and die by March Madness.

I'm not sure why. It could be the one-and-done stuff doesn't sit well with me. Maybe the level of corruption exhibited by the NCAA itself has turned me off of college basketball.

Does anyone feel that as well?
 

GagHalfrunt

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I didn't even know it was selection Sunday and I used to live and die by March Madness.

I'm not sure why. It could be the one-and-done stuff doesn't sit well with me. Maybe the level of corruption exhibited by the NCAA itself has turned me off of college basketball.

Does anyone feel that as well?

I hate hate hate the corruption in college basketball and football and it taints every championship, every record, every accomplishment. That being said, I really enjoy the first 4 days of the tournament. The "one and done" thing that is so bad when it comes to players is wonderful when it comes to teams. Everyone is one bad game away from being shown the door and a #3 seed scrambling for survival against a supposedly outmatched #14 is a spectacle that other sports simply can't offer. If you like watching smug power conference teams get upset March Madness is in a class all by itself. That's why I like it, the chance to see the corrupt teams get whacked.
 

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Who cares what the boosters/school did to get the top recruit. It's not like the game is rigged!

No team to beat, parity across the teams, no big time superstar.

Meh!
 

dasherHampton

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I do like upsets, especially when they involve Duke, NC, UK, or Kansas.

If I read one of those schools is losing late I'll probably tune in.
 
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I like March madness just to laugh at stupid fucking kids that put their lives on the line and getting nothing in return - other than the PROSPECT of one day playing in the pros. I love laughing at other people's foolishness.
 
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Someone link me an expert bracket... my company is doing stupid promotions where the best bracket wins some gift card or something. Gimme something to pick!
 

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I like March Madeness but the whole Bracket thing is annoying. It really just gives a channel like ESPN 3/4ths of the day to fill with hot air and brain dead bracket discussions. Anyone who titles themselves as a "Bracketologist" should go jump in a lake.
 

momeNt

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I haven't cared since I was in my early teens which coincided with around the last time I bought NCAA basketball for my playstation.

I really don't get how alumni get all worked up over March Madness and Bowl Season.
 

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I hate all the March Madness and bracket bullshit but I fill one out anyway because we can win a $50 or $25 gift card from work. Also, there exists people who call themselves "Bracketologist?" PFFFFT lol
 

momeNt

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I hate hate hate the corruption in college basketball and football and it taints every championship, every record, every accomplishment. That being said, I really enjoy the first 4 days of the tournament. The "one and done" thing that is so bad when it comes to players is wonderful when it comes to teams. Everyone is one bad game away from being shown the door and a #3 seed scrambling for survival against a supposedly outmatched #14 is a spectacle that other sports simply can't offer. If you like watching smug power conference teams get upset March Madness is in a class all by itself. That's why I like it, the chance to see the corrupt teams get whacked.

The "corruption" is what gives players the opportunity to temporarily support themselves while they provide ratings to the NBA developmental league.

So while the NCAA wants to call it "corruption" and panders to peoples sense of fairness for an even playing field, it is absolutely not fair to the players who have to jeopardize their NBA careers with a mandatory unpaid internship.

edit: I sense you probably agree with me, so I'm just pointing out how the way you use corrupt isn't referencing what is really corrupt in the NCAA system.
 
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GagHalfrunt

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The "corruption" is what gives players the opportunity to temporarily support themselves while they provide ratings to the NBA developmental league.

So while the NCAA wants to call it "corruption" and panders to peoples sense of fairness for an even playing field, it is absolutely not fair to the players who have to jeopardize their NBA careers with a mandatory unpaid internship.

edit: I sense you probably agree with me, so I'm just pointing out how the way you use corrupt isn't referencing what is really corrupt in the NCAA system.

Your sense is batshit crazy. I don't agree with you even a tiny bit.

The players don't "HAVE TO" do anything. They are prevented from playing in the NBA until they turn 19, they are not prevented from playing professionally. If they're good enough there are professional basketball leagues all over the world where the players are allowed to play. Those who CHOOSE to follow that path are free to do so. The ones who CHOOSE to play in college are getting an education potentially valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're receiving coaching and conditioning and for NBA prospects they're receiving TV and scouting exposure that they value more than the salary that they would be paid if they CHOOSE to play elsewhere.

Those who don't want to go to college can go and get paid immediately, yet the VAST MAJORITY of them WANT to play college ball instead. Please explain exactly how unfair that is.
 

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Your sense is batshit crazy. I don't agree with you even a tiny bit.

The players don't "HAVE TO" do anything. They are prevented from playing in the NBA until they turn 19, they are not prevented from playing professionally. If they're good enough there are professional basketball leagues all over the world where the players are allowed to play. Those who CHOOSE to follow that path are free to do so. The ones who CHOOSE to play in college are getting an education potentially valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're receiving coaching and conditioning and for NBA prospects they're receiving TV and scouting exposure that they value more than the salary that they would be paid if they CHOOSE to play elsewhere.

Those who don't want to go to college can go and get paid immediately, yet the VAST MAJORITY of them WANT to play college ball instead. Please explain exactly how unfair that is.

What the NBA is doing is anti-competitive and it is only a matter of time before age restrictions find favorable views in anti-trust courts.

It is good to see at least a few people are gobbling up that NCAA Cool-Aid though, it won't be around like this for much longer so get it while it lasts.

Educations valued at potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars? Just because college education is in a value bubble doesn't mean it is actually worth that much, students entering the workforce are finding that out.

It's collegiate athletics, why the hell do school championships matter to you in the first place? What is there really to taint?

You're an idiot for thinking that basically any of these teams in the tournament are even remotely doing anything "the right way". Why does a bag of cash going to a talented young player destined for the NBA bother you so much?
 

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Your sense is batshit crazy. I don't agree with you even a tiny bit.

The players don't "HAVE TO" do anything. They are prevented from playing in the NBA until they turn 19, they are not prevented from playing professionally. If they're good enough there are professional basketball leagues all over the world where the players are allowed to play. Those who CHOOSE to follow that path are free to do so. The ones who CHOOSE to play in college are getting an education potentially valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're receiving coaching and conditioning and for NBA prospects they're receiving TV and scouting exposure that they value more than the salary that they would be paid if they CHOOSE to play elsewhere.

Those who don't want to go to college can go and get paid immediately, yet the VAST MAJORITY of them WANT to play college ball instead. Please explain exactly how unfair that is.

Oh come on, relatively few of the players for each team have scholarships and even fewer will even get looked at by the NBA. The rest are just used as cash cows for a few select organizations. Sure they choose to play but if someone wanted to choose to give them a very very small portion of the money being made off of them to help them with bills or whatnot I don't have a problem with that.
 

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I was only into it the one year Maryland won. That was amazing to see as a kid.

Otherwise, college basketball sucks. I want to see the best of the best, and that's the pros. One and done also is not as good as a true multi-game series, where adaptations by players and the coaches determine who is actually the best.
 

dasherHampton

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I think I wasn't as clear as I should have been, apologies.

By "One-and-done" I was referring to the trend of HS BB stars hanging out on campus for a few months to play college basketball before going pro (due to the ridiculous NBA rule). Ben Simmon's testimonial was priceless.

I don't mind the one-and-done format of the tournament itself.
 

GagHalfrunt

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What the NBA is doing is anti-competitive and it is only a matter of time before age restrictions find favorable views in anti-trust courts.

It is good to see at least a few people are gobbling up that NCAA Cool-Aid though, it won't be around like this for much longer so get it while it lasts.

Educations valued at potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars? Just because college education is in a value bubble doesn't mean it is actually worth that much, students entering the workforce are finding that out.

It's collegiate athletics, why the hell do school championships matter to you in the first place? What is there really to taint?

You're an idiot for thinking that basically any of these teams in the tournament are even remotely doing anything "the right way". Why does a bag of cash going to a talented young player destined for the NBA bother you so much?

ROFL!! Awww, did I strike a nerve and hurt your itty-bitty feelings by pointing out how idiotic your argument is. The players have a choice to play professionally without going anywhere near a college. That is a fact, not an opinion and it's that simple. Until you manage to pull your head out of your ass long enough to understand that you're not even worth arguing it because it's like kicking a toothless puppy. You're not even capable of defending yourself.

The players have a choice to play professionally without going anywhere near a college. Many players can and do play professionally, both in the NBA and abroad without setting foot in college. Until you can address that elephant in the room your pathetic whining about what players "have to" do is just laughable.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Oh come on, relatively few of the players for each team have scholarships and even fewer will even get looked at by the NBA. The rest are just used as cash cows for a few select organizations. Sure they choose to play but if someone wanted to choose to give them a very very small portion of the money being made off of them to help them with bills or whatnot I don't have a problem with that.

The rest are playing ball because they WANT TO. Have you ever played any sports in your life? Gone out for a team ever? I played college football and I most definitely was not on a scholarship. I was a middle of the road D1-AA safety and special teams player who would have not made the roster on a good team that played on TV every week. And I was pretty much surrounded by guys just like me. Guys who WANTED to play football. Guys who tried out and worked their asses off just to BE ALLOWED to play. And each and every one of us did it BY CHOICE. The choice we had is the same choice that EVERY athlete has. Are college swimmers being used or are they competing for the love of the experience, the thrill of the competition and the elation of victory? College are FILLED with student-athletes who are not on scholarships, are not playing cash sports, are not on TV and have absolutely no chance to ever make a penny playing that sport professionally, but do it anyway. Track athletes are up before dawn to run before class BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. Lacrosse players are in the gym while their friends are in the pizza parlor BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. Wrestlers are pounding the weights while their classmates are pounding brews BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. Football and basketball players are working out, sacrificing social lives, watching film and still having to do their school work BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

Seriously, what malfunction in your brain leads to to treat college athletes as indentured servants who need you impotent little crusaders for social justice to protect their rights? They're doing it by choice, they're elated when they make the team and are ALLOWED to play and each and every one of them has the right to walk away the minute they don't like the equation. But thank god they have you to tell them they're wrong.
 

momeNt

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ROFL!! Awww, did I strike a nerve and hurt your itty-bitty feelings by pointing out how idiotic your argument is. The players have a choice to play professionally without going anywhere near a college. That is a fact, not an opinion and it's that simple. Until you manage to pull your head out of your ass long enough to understand that you're not even worth arguing it because it's like kicking a toothless puppy. You're not even capable of defending yourself.

The players have a choice to play professionally without going anywhere near a college. Many players can and do play professionally, both in the NBA and abroad without setting foot in college. Until you can address that elephant in the room your pathetic whining about what players "have to" do is just laughable.

International options is not an argument for anti-competitive tactics in the American basketball market. There were oil companies in Europe at the time, but Sherman did not care when it came to Standard Oil. Your argument is terrible and my feelings are not hurt.

Seriously though, why do you care if a player gets a bag of cash, it is people like you that are wasting FBI resources with investigations into player donations and NCAA athlete eligibility. It is completely ridiculous.

Thankfully people are realizing that the situation is untenable and by barring an athlete from cashing in on their value when they have an agreed upon monopoly between the NBA and the NCAA on the American basketball market, they are opening themselves up to bigger problems. Athletes will be able to be sponsored in the next few years. Colleges may not have to pay them, but they will be able to start capitalizing on their value by being able to be paid for endorsements and signing autographs, you are probably one of those people that are outraged because it tarnishes collegiate athletics.

Tell me, what schools are corrupt when it comes to collegiate baseball?

This is all tangential to the argument that you think March Madness teams aren't basically all corrupt, either by academic fraud, payment under the table, or silencing criminal or sexual assault charges. It's an incredibly naive belief to think that Creighton or Gonzaga aren't in the same boat as Duke or Kentucky.

I hate hate hate the corruption in college basketball and football and it taints every championship, every record, every accomplishment.

Why do championships, records, and accomplishments, matter to you in amateur athletics, what is sacred about players being unpaid and pretending to value the education that they are getting in exchange for being athletes that makes it wholesome to you? Like I seriously don't understand that. Do you get mad when Notre Dame lowers their academic standards and lets in better, but less intelligent athletes? Why???
 

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Thebobo

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I don't care heavent for years back when I was closer to college age, or maybe if Maryland gets in.

Len Bias :(
 

feralkid

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I didn't even know it was selection Sunday and I used to live and die by March Madness.

I'm not sure why. It could be the one-and-done stuff doesn't sit well with me. Maybe the level of corruption exhibited by the NCAA itself has turned me off of college basketball.

Does anyone feel that as well?


Now that my team has been eliminated, I fully agree with you.