I do NOT have faith in my government. [incomprehensible RANT]

[weezergirl]

<< vadatajas, i bet you are a college student... that kind of liberal yip yap only comes from the college scene...
>>



yes, and can u imagine the drivel that comes out of the mouths of uneducated people?

and guess what, we're gonna be the future leaders of tomorrow too.

 

[Vadatajs]

<< vadatajas, i bet you are a college student... that kind of liberal yip yap only comes from the college scene...
mediation? haha you think guys who are willing to bomb themselves up to send a msg are gonna mediate? get real...someone should point a gun to your head for a reality check. >>



People like you are what's wrong with the country. At least I'm thinking, I may be wrong, but I'll find out what's right eventually. It's called LEARNING. Gun to my head eh? I don't think that will scare me as much as you think it will.

 

[Vadatajs]

<<

<< vadatajas, i bet you are a college student... that kind of liberal yip yap only comes from the college scene...
>>



yes, and can u imagine the drivel that comes out of the mouths of uneducated people?

and guess what, we're gonna be the future leaders of tomorrow too.

>>



Hell Yeah! Move over Mr. Helms, its time to make way for somebody who isn't a complete a55.

 

[pamchenko]

i dont own a gun. telling me to move to canada is funny esp since you're the one spouting anti-government yip yap. sure you have the right to say whatever you please, but to me, what you say sounds great on paper, but in real life, sounds awfully unrealistic. what ever happened to go old american masculinity? ppl like you vadatajs feminize america

 

[Vadatajs]

Actually, nevermind, your previous post actually made a little sense. All of you american flag people look alike.

Gender has nothing to do with this issue. Feminize society? What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Static911]

crazy guys

chill....

breathe

breathe again

resume typing


static911

 

[PrinceofWands]

It is possible to seek justice for the attacks, and have specific problems with certain US policies at the same time people. Blind faith does not strengthen our nation, it destroys it.

I am not a 'college hippy freak boy', I am almost 30 years old. I have completed 3 years of college however, and am learned beyond those years. I am also an honorably discharged USN veteran of the Gulf.

I have never truly 'trusted' our government in the way most of you think. I am a staunch supporter of our constitution, but our government does not currently, and has not for 60 some years, truly embodied that great document. I feel your fear LaBang, I salute your resolve vadatajas.

Even so, I am with others in my desire to see the instigators of this attack captured and or killed. When that is done however, we need to open our eyes and rethink our world position so that we can keep any future attacks from occuring.

 

[pamchenko]

princeofwands, good for you that u served for the USN and i understand ur skepticsm esp after that whole gulf war syndrome ordeal.
but lebang used hippie rhetoric and vadatjas is clearly soft...surely we could agree on middle ground?

 

[NesuD]

<< And why not set up a world government for the sole purpose of protecting its people? It is possible if we want to do it, just expand the role of the UN a bit. We could make membership voluntary. >>



I for one definately do not want to be ruled by some third world politician. At one time our government existed for the sole purpose of protecting it's people and their liberties. Look at it now. It seems to have gained more purposes than i can count far beyond the scope of what the founding fathers intended. What makes you think that would not happen with a world government. Your wish to make the world a better place is commendable but the method suggested is not advisable if we would like to keep the liberties that we enjoy now.

 

[Vadatajs]

<< princeofwands, good for you that u served for the USN and i understand ur skepticsm esp after that whole gulf war syndrome ordeal.
but lebang used hippie rhetoric and vadatjas is clearly soft...surely we could agree on middle ground? >>



Princeofwands is the middle ground. On one side you have angry gun-toting rednecks that will shoot anything in a turban, and on the other you have me. If we agree on anything it should be what he said.

 

[pamchenko]

background information?

I'm a 22 year old medical student with an undergraduate ivy league degree and I don't own a gun. I'm not a trigger happy redneck ok?

 

[Vadatajs]

<<

<< And why not set up a world government for the sole purpose of protecting its people? It is possible if we want to do it, just expand the role of the UN a bit. We could make membership voluntary. >>



I for one definately do not want to be ruled by some third world politician. At one time our government existed for the sole purpose of protecting it's people and their liberties. Look at it now. It seems to have gained more purposes than i can count far beyond the scope of what the founding fathers intended. What makes you think that would not happen with a world government. Your wish to make the world a better place is commendable but the method suggested is not advisable if we would like to keep the liberties that we enjoy now. >>



What would you suggest then if you were to try and make the world a better place? Not a flame, just an honest question. I'll try to stay more open minded on this one.

 

[Vadatajs]

<< background information?

I'm a 22 year old medical student with an undergraduate ivy league degree and I don't own a gun. I'm not a trigger happy redneck ok? >>



Ok, I'm sorry, that was uncalled for. I can see from your website that you are very far from a redneck. I already edited one of my responses to one of your posts, I'll edit that out.

 

[Phil21]

When did I say anything of a world government? WTF? Twist my words some more why don't you.

I think it's VERY sad to see people calling for the destruction of the military, so we can have all these feel-good social programs. Education, welfare, etc. etc. etc. are all second-seat to the country protecting it's citizens from a foriegn threat. I think these people are extremely short-sited and don't quite grasp that there is a "real world" out there that needs to be dealt with.

And no, I have no clue wtf you're talking about. I'm not a political "expert" by any means, I couldn't stomache it. Too much BS.

-Phil

 

[Vadatajs]

<< When did I say anything of a world government? WTF? Twist my words some more why don't you.

I think it's VERY sad to see people calling for the destruction of the military, so we can have all these feel-good social programs. Education, welfare, etc. etc. etc. are all second-seat to the country protecting it's citizens from a foriegn threat. I think these people are extremely short-sited and don't quite grasp that there is a "real world" out there that needs to be dealt with.

And no, I have no clue wtf you're talking about. I'm not a political "expert" by any means, I couldn't stomache it. Too much BS.

-Phil >>



I was speaking hypothetically, I just wanted to know what you thought was a better idea. I guess you can consider my applying Locke to a world government can be considered twisting your words around, but isn't that how debate works?

Education is not a feel good program, it is a necessity. If we don't educate our children, they will probably end up being walked all over in the future when they are finally in charge. If not politically, then economically. How can you win if you don't know how to play?

 

[Static911]

you two both have good points

static911

 

[pamchenko]

granted education is important, but then again, so is nutrition? health?

sit back for half a sec vandatjas and try to erase what others have planted in your head...its trendy to say the things you say...they make u seem "sensitive" its time to be pragmatic and think about some immediate plans that have to be made...sure our country will go to crap without schools, but that's on NONE of the govts agenda right now? we just hit with a terrorist attack...not a spelling bee!

 

[NesuD]

I am not the one who wants to make the world a better place. I outgrew that 20 years ago. You can't really make the world a better place. You can only try to make your place in the world better. Currently to make our place better we have to hunt down and destroy a bunch of murdering terrorists. The sad part is that while we were making futile attempts to make the world better it only got worse and now we have 5,000+ dead people bury. We Let it happen right under our noses because we were so blinded by our unrealistic perception of the world as a nice place where this could never happen because we are wealthy and powerful and want only to help the less fortunate. The sad fact is that the less fortunate don't usually want our help what they really want is our wealth and power. What we saw Sept 11th is a direct result of our unwillingness to deal with with the rest of the world from a position of strength rather than trying to appease them all the time. If we had actually done something substantive about Bin Ladens organization many years ago this wouldn't have happened but we were to busy being nice and putting on our blinders so that we wouldn't see what was coming. The only solution now is to brutally crush any and all threats to the welfare of US citizens anywhere in the world no matter what the consequences are for if we do not than we will be perceived as weak and become an even more attractive target for those who wish to take what we have. We did not start this but we must bear the responsibility for allowing it to happen.

 

[Phil21]

No, I'm am strongly opposed to a world government type organization as the world stands now. I do eventually feel that if we as humans ever hit a certain stage of enlightenment (for lack of a better word), it will eventually happen and could possible be a good thing. But definitely not in my, or my grandchildrens lifetimes even.

If anything, I'm a strong isolationist. Not completely isolationist, but a lot more than 90% of the board it seems. So obviously I don't agree with many of the past and present government policies. I also know the world isn't that simple any longer, but I think we do far more internationally than need be. Just my opinion.

As for education, I strongly agree with your points. Education is what will keep a society strong and unwielding, and is the undoing of many other past civilizations. But, to put education as a GOVERNMENT program BEFORE national defense I believe is asinine. Basically, my opinion is carve up the spending pie, with the national defense getting the first slice, however big it needs to be. Then divvy up the rest accordingly. My opinion on education however is a different topic for a different thread.

And yes, I re-read your response and I apologize for mis-reading. You did not twist my words, I just felt at the time you were inferring something you were not.

peace,

-Phil