NikolaeVarius
Lifer
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El Guaraguao
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Cherish and nurture your nascent thought.
You must not abort it, for logic begins . . . at conception! :laugh:
(Of an idea.)
Yes, carry your tender little thought fetus to term, give it time to grow, for you have been impregnated with an idea.
Remember, there's nothing more powerful than cum whose idea has time!
Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
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I.....I think I just got turned on a little, but I'm not sure.Originally posted by: Perknose
Cherish and nurture your nascent thought.
You must not abort it, for logic begins . . . at conception! :laugh:
(Of an idea.)
Yes, carry your tender little thought fetus to term, give it time to grow, for you have been impregnated with an idea.
Remember, there's nothing more powerful than cum whose idea has time!
I just feel like I need a shower.
moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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Just when you thought things couldn't get any more STRANGE here.... :QOriginally posted by: Jeff7
I.....I think I just got turned on a little, but I'm not sure.Originally posted by: Perknose
Cherish and nurture your nascent thought.
You must not abort it, for logic begins . . . at conception! :laugh:
(Of an idea.)
Yes, carry your tender little thought fetus to term, give it time to grow, for you have been impregnated with an idea.
Remember, there's nothing more powerful than cum whose idea has time!
I just feel like I need a shower.
Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
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I'm part of ATOT's (previously) secret R&D department. We're always trying to push the envelope.Originally posted by: moshquerade
Just when you thought things couldn't get any more STRANGE here.... :QOriginally posted by: Jeff7
I.....I think I just got turned on a little, but I'm not sure.Originally posted by: Perknose
Cherish and nurture your nascent thought.
You must not abort it, for logic begins . . . at conception! :laugh:
(Of an idea.)
Yes, carry your tender little thought fetus to term, give it time to grow, for you have been impregnated with an idea.
Remember, there's nothing more powerful than cum whose idea has time!
I just feel like I need a shower.
- Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I.....I think I just got turned on a little, but I'm not sure.Originally posted by: Perknose
Cherish and nurture your nascent thought.
You must not abort it, for logic begins . . . at conception! :laugh:
(Of an idea.)
Yes, carry your tender little thought fetus to term, give it time to grow, for you have been impregnated with an idea.
Remember, there's nothing more powerful than cum whose idea has time!
I just feel like I need a shower.
WHOOSH!
Simple play on words of a very, very famous quote. :roll:
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yes # 4 on Hot Topics list, I am indeed powerful
Given Catholic doctrine on the God+Mary=>Jesus thing, why does the Church oppose artificial insemination?
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Yes # 4 on Hot Topics list, I am indeed powerful
Given Catholic doctrine on the God+Mary=>Jesus thing, why does the Church oppose artificial insemination?
Clearly to save them for God, the mega pimp he is.
Origin of the Bible - The Truth About Translations
To many, the origin of the Bible can be summed-up as follows: "A mere translation of a translation of an interpretation of an oral tradition" - and therefore, a book with no credibility or connection to the original texts. Actually, the foregoing statement is a common misunderstanding of both Christians and non-christians alike. Translations such as the King James Version are derived from existing copies of ancient manuscripts such as the Hebrew Masoretic Text (Old Testament) and the Greek Textus Receptus (New Testament), and are not translations of texts translated from other interpretations. The primary differences between today's Bible translations are merely related to how translators interpret a word or sentence from the original language of the text source (Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek).
Origin of the Bible - The Reliability of Ancient Manuscripts
Another challenge against the origin of the Bible is the reliability of the manuscripts from which today's Bibles are translated. Remarkably, there is widespread evidence for absolute reliability. There are more than 14,000 existing Old Testament manuscripts and fragments copied throughout the Middle East, Mediterranean and European regions that agree dramatically with each other. In addition, these texts agree with the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, which was translated from Hebrew to Greek some time during the 3rd century BC. The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in Israel in the 1940's and 50's, also provide phenomenal evidence for the reliability of the ancient transmission of the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament) before the arrival of Jesus Christ. The Hebrew scribes who copied the Jewish Scriptures dedicated their lives to preserving the accuracy of the holy books. These scribes went to phenomenal lengths to insure manuscript reliability. They were highly trained and meticulously observed, counting every letter, word and paragraph against master scrolls. A single error would require the immediate destruction of the entire text.
The manuscript evidence for the New Testament is also dramatic, with over 5,300 known copies and fragments in the original Greek, nearly 800 of which were copied before 1000 AD. Some manuscript texts date to the early second and third centuries, with the time between the original autographs and our earliest existing copies being a remarkably short 60 years. Interestingly, this manuscript evidence far surpasses the manuscript reliability of other ancient writings that we trust as authentic every day. Look at these comparisons: Julius Caesar's "The Gallic Wars" (10 manuscripts remain, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph); Pliny the Younger's "History" (7 manuscripts; 750 years elapsed); Thucydides' "History" (8 manuscripts; 1,300 years elapsed); Herodotus' "History" (8 manuscripts; 1,300 years elapsed); Sophocles (193 manuscripts; 1,400 years); Euripides (9 manuscripts; 1,500 years); and Aristotle (49 manuscripts; 1,400 years).
Homer's "Iliad", the most renowned book of ancient Greece, has 643 copies of manuscript support. In those copies, there are 764 disputed lines of text, as compared to 40 lines in all the New Testament manuscripts (Norman L. Geisler and William E. Nix, A General Introduction to the Bible, Moody, Chicago, Revised and Expanded 1986, p. 367). In fact, many people are unaware that each of William Shakespeare's 37 plays (written in the 1600's) have gaps in the surviving manuscripts, forcing scholars to "fill in the blanks." This pales in textual comparison with the over 5,300 copies and fragments of the New Testament that, together, assure us that nothing's been lost. In fact, all of the New Testament except eleven verses can be reconstructed from the writings of the early church fathers in the second and third centuries. (A General Introduction to the Bible, Ch. 24.)
Origin of the Bible - The Power of Prophecy
The origin of the Bible is God. It is a historical book that is backed by archeology, and a prophetic book that has lived up to all of its claims thus far. The Bible is God's letter to humanity collected into 66 books written by 40 divinely inspired writers over a period of over 1,600 years. The claim of divine inspiration may seem dramatic (or unrealistic to some), but a careful and honest study of the biblical scriptures will show them to be true. Powerfully, the Bible validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). God decided to use prophecy as His primary test of divine authorship, and an honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the supernatural origin of the Bible. Skeptics must ask themselves, "Would the gambling industry even exist if people could really tell the future?" Again, no other holy book comes even close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its credibility, authenticity and divine authorship.
40Hands
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I'd consider myself an atheist because I'm not one to believe in things that can't be proven with science. If there ever is proof of...something or someone, I'll adjust my views accordingly. What really pisses me off is when people push their beliefs on me via legislation and/or threats (hell). Religions have been known for this over thousands of years and have no sign of stopping. Have your beliefs, just leave me alone. I will enjoy hell.
Is that really so hard to understand?
Also, watch the movie Jesus Camp. They are the people that make me question humanity.
Is that really so hard to understand?
Also, watch the movie Jesus Camp. They are the people that make me question humanity.
BeauJangles
Lifer
- Aug 26, 2001
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I'm sorry, hang on a second.
So God wrote the Bible through a variety of writers over a nearly 1700 year-long period? Did he also divinely guide which books would be included in the Bible and which would be left out?
I think you need to get your story straight.
Why Outside Books?
There are different biblical canons. For example, Roman Catholics have a larger canon than Protestants. This means that Roman Catholics have some inside books that Protestants consider outside.
Books became "outside" because:
Some ancient texts were considered authoritative but were dropped before the canon was "closed."
Some well-regarded books were written too late and/or not believed to be apostolic, so they were not included. Nevertheless some outside books, such as the Didache, are as old or even older than some of the books that made the New Testament.
Other books were accepted by some Christian communities but not others. Sometimes:
they were labeled "heretical" by more powerful Christian groups like Rome
they were not popular or known well enough by Greek-speaking Christians
Still other books never came close to making it "inside.". In addition to heretical books that were excluded, other books were considered to be too outrageous, even though they were very popular. (These books also tended to be written much later than canonical books)
A number of books were lost or destroyed.
Some old writers were never considered as scripture but have historical value; they may be letters, or histories, or stories, or other kinds of records.
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ATOT is a prime example of what the OP is saying.
Angry atheists on this forum make it a point to tell religious folks that they believe in a "sky fairy" or "fairy tale" or call their texts "outright lies" among other things. So much for religious tolerance... it's a two-way street.
Angry atheists on this forum make it a point to tell religious folks that they believe in a "sky fairy" or "fairy tale" or call their texts "outright lies" among other things. So much for religious tolerance... it's a two-way street.
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