I didn't know the bible says no to transfusions

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

I said I didn't know who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the Bible.

 

[Psynaut]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

I said I didn't know who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the Bible.

Sounds like Old Testament, maybe. That is a pretty violent book.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

I said I didn't know who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the Bible.

You sure it wasn't Mohamed?

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

I said I didn't know who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the Bible.

I'm not religious and hate all religion but you're just asking to get flamed.

 

[aphex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...ah%E2%80%99s_Witnesses

Jehovah's Witnesses cite the Biblical precedent that states:

?For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!? (Ac 15:22, 28, 29)

One fucking sentence in a book is worth potentially dying for? People are nuts. :beer:

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: aphex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...ah%E2%80%99s_Witnesses

Jehovah's Witnesses cite the Biblical precedent that states:

?For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!? (Ac 15:22, 28, 29)

One fucking sentence in a book is worth potentially dying for? People are nuts. :beer:

Yeah really, not to mention all those things together make awesome weekends. Psh.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Psynaut
I was taught in sunday School that it is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. They taught this as though there were actually needle factories back then. Many years later I learned that the needle they referred to was an archway in the fence leading into the city and that camels had to kneel down to get through it. The asshats that taught me Sunday School, however, took it literally, to mean a modern day sewing needle. Christ Allmighty people are stupid!!!

so it wasn't really that hard to get in, just kind of time consuming?

also, they sewed stuff back then, didn't they? they must have had some kind of needle.

The camel not only had to kneel and crawl through, it also had to be unloaded of any burdens.

Thus understood, the metaphor becomes an interesting point about how it is often easier to unload a pack animal than it is for us to release our claims to earthly possessions and comforts. It shows a parallel (though not a complete one) to the Buddhist belief that attachment to worldly goods interferes with one's ability to obtain enlightenment.

ZV

Some poeple believe that Jesus traveled to India and learned the mystical teachings of the far east, as well as having visions through the use of Soma, which is now widely believed to be the Amanita Muscara mushroom. Then brought these teaching back to Isreal. If this is the case, his teachings would have been influenced by Buddhism. *edit: Most americans don't know this, but Hindu lore is filled with enlightened human beings who performed all the same miracles as Jesus, plus more. One of these beings is believed to be immortal and still living in India.

From what I have read, Christianity was a lot different in the early days, including a belief in reincarnation up unitil some time around the 3rd or 4th century AD, another Buddism-esque belief. From what I read, Reincarnation, as a teaching, was done away with by the early church because they felt that if people believed they had lots of lives, they wouldn't try as hard to be good in this one (I think I read that in a Greg Braden book, but I am not sure).

The India nonsense is stuff people made up over the years to try to downplay him into only some kind of enlightened spiritual guru, philosopher, or merely a good teacher. It tries to be "unoffensive" to Christians by saying Jesus was an alright guy or had good lessons for humanity, But it completely ignores the words and teachings of Christ, the claims He made about himself being the Son of God, His death and resurrection, and being the only way to salvation.

Christians believe in a onetime "reincarnation" into new bodies during/after eternal judgement.

 

[rezinn]

Even Jehovah's Witnesses will sometimes accept transfusion when it comes down to it. It's a bit different when you ask, "would you rather have brain/kidney damage and bleed to death at 50, or take some blood products?"

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Psynaut
I was taught in sunday School that it is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. They taught this as though there were actually needle factories back then. Many years later I learned that the needle they referred to was an archway in the fence leading into the city and that camels had to kneel down to get through it. The asshats that taught me Sunday School, however, took it literally, to mean a modern day sewing needle. Christ Allmighty people are stupid!!!

so it wasn't really that hard to get in, just kind of time consuming?

also, they sewed stuff back then, didn't they? they must have had some kind of needle.

The camel not only had to kneel and crawl through, it also had to be unloaded of any burdens.

Thus understood, the metaphor becomes an interesting point about how it is often easier to unload a pack animal than it is for us to release our claims to earthly possessions and comforts. It shows a parallel (though not a complete one) to the Buddhist belief that attachment to worldly goods interferes with one's ability to obtain enlightenment.

ZV

Some poeple believe that Jesus traveled to India and learned the mystical teachings of the far east, as well as having visions through the use of Soma, which is now widely believed to be the Amanita Muscara mushroom. Then brought these teaching back to Isreal. If this is the case, his teachings would have been influenced by Buddhism. *edit: Most americans don't know this, but Hindu lore is filled with enlightened human beings who performed all the same miracles as Jesus, plus more. One of these beings is believed to be immortal and still living in India.

From what I have read, Christianity was a lot different in the early days, including a belief in reincarnation up unitil some time around the 3rd or 4th century AD, another Buddism-esque belief. From what I read, Reincarnation, as a teaching, was done away with by the early church because they felt that if people believed they had lots of lives, they wouldn't try as hard to be good in this one (I think I read that in a Greg Braden book, but I am not sure).

The India nonsense is stuff people made up over the years to try to downplay him into only some kind of enlightened spiritual guru, philosopher, or merely a good teacher. It tries to be "unoffensive" to Christians by saying Jesus was an alright guy or had good lessons for humanity, But it completely ignores the words and teachings of Christ, the claims He made about himself being the Son of God, His death and resurrection, and being the only way to salvation.

Christians believe in a onetime "reincarnation" into new bodies during/after eternal judgement.

Or those are words that the people that transcribed the Bible added so their church could be the most powerful, one true church.
I'm just sayin'

 

[Capt Caveman]

Bring on the leeches!!!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: rezinn
Even Jehovah's Witnesses will sometimes accept transfusion when it comes down to it. It's a bit different when you ask, "would you rather have brain/kidney damage and bleed to death at 50, or take some blood products?"

Of course, every religion has people who don't adhere 100% to all the dogma.

 

[Psynaut]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Psynaut
I was taught in sunday School that it is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. They taught this as though there were actually needle factories back then. Many years later I learned that the needle they referred to was an archway in the fence leading into the city and that camels had to kneel down to get through it. The asshats that taught me Sunday School, however, took it literally, to mean a modern day sewing needle. Christ Allmighty people are stupid!!!

so it wasn't really that hard to get in, just kind of time consuming?

also, they sewed stuff back then, didn't they? they must have had some kind of needle.

The camel not only had to kneel and crawl through, it also had to be unloaded of any burdens.

Thus understood, the metaphor becomes an interesting point about how it is often easier to unload a pack animal than it is for us to release our claims to earthly possessions and comforts. It shows a parallel (though not a complete one) to the Buddhist belief that attachment to worldly goods interferes with one's ability to obtain enlightenment.

ZV

Some poeple believe that Jesus traveled to India and learned the mystical teachings of the far east, as well as having visions through the use of Soma, which is now widely believed to be the Amanita Muscara mushroom. Then brought these teaching back to Isreal. If this is the case, his teachings would have been influenced by Buddhism. *edit: Most americans don't know this, but Hindu lore is filled with enlightened human beings who performed all the same miracles as Jesus, plus more. One of these beings is believed to be immortal and still living in India.

From what I have read, Christianity was a lot different in the early days, including a belief in reincarnation up unitil some time around the 3rd or 4th century AD, another Buddism-esque belief. From what I read, Reincarnation, as a teaching, was done away with by the early church because they felt that if people believed they had lots of lives, they wouldn't try as hard to be good in this one (I think I read that in a Greg Braden book, but I am not sure).

The India nonsense is stuff people made up over the years to try to downplay him into only some kind of enlightened spiritual guru, philosopher, or merely a good teacher. It tries to be "unoffensive" to Christians by saying Jesus was an alright guy or had good lessons for humanity, But it completely ignores the words and teachings of Christ, the claims He made about himself being the Son of God, His death and resurrection, and being the only way to salvation.
Christians believe in a onetime "reincarnation" into new bodies during/after eternal judgement.

Actually it doesn't. Buddhists and Hindus believe many of the things Jesus taught, they just believe that it is true of all people, and they interpret his words slightly differently. Eastern religions believe that in the state of enlightenment, one recognizes that God is All creation, including you and me, and therefore in the state of enlightenment, one recognizes that they too are God, since God is everything, and there is nothing that is not God. Enlightenment is one's recognition of oneself as that which one was seeking... ie... God.

Thus Jesus, in a state of complete enlightenment (eastern style enlightenment), would be unable to distinguish himself from God, which is exactly the way he spoke. This is a common understanding of what enlightenment is in Eastern religions and philosophies. But since Americans and Christians never bother to learn about other cultures or religions, they don't know this.

 

[hellokeith]

In Matthew 15, Jesus said to the corrupt religious leaders:

You nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites!
Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

As a Christian and regular blood donor, I feel heavy-hearted sadness for religious "teachings" which are not Biblical.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

No, that's incorrect.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: uhohs
Jesus explicitly tells his followers to share the Gospel with others.

Didn't Jesus also tell his followers to kill anyone who wouldn't convert? Something like that. Maybe that was someone else. I don't know the Bible pretty well but I'm pretty sure there's at least one instance of someone telling everyone to massacre those that don't agree with you.

um, what?
nice try.

I said I didn't know who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere in the Bible.

You sure it wasn't Mohamed?

:thumbsup:

 

[manowar821]

No. What a fool.

 

[buck]

Whats the problem here? Who the fuck wants people like that to live? I feel bad for the kids, but otherwise, fuck em.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Psynaut
I was taught in sunday School that it is as hard for a rich man to get into heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. They taught this as though there were actually needle factories back then. Many years later I learned that the needle they referred to was an archway in the fence leading into the city and that camels had to kneel down to get through it. The asshats that taught me Sunday School, however, took it literally, to mean a modern day sewing needle. Christ Allmighty people are stupid!!!

so it wasn't really that hard to get in, just kind of time consuming?

also, they sewed stuff back then, didn't they? they must have had some kind of needle.

The camel not only had to kneel and crawl through, it also had to be unloaded of any burdens.

Thus understood, the metaphor becomes an interesting point about how it is often easier to unload a pack animal than it is for us to release our claims to earthly possessions and comforts. It shows a parallel (though not a complete one) to the Buddhist belief that attachment to worldly goods interferes with one's ability to obtain enlightenment.

ZV

Some poeple believe that Jesus traveled to India and learned the mystical teachings of the far east, as well as having visions through the use of Soma, which is now widely believed to be the Amanita Muscara mushroom. Then brought these teaching back to Isreal. If this is the case, his teachings would have been influenced by Buddhism. *edit: Most americans don't know this, but Hindu lore is filled with enlightened human beings who performed all the same miracles as Jesus, plus more. One of these beings is believed to be immortal and still living in India.

From what I have read, Christianity was a lot different in the early days, including a belief in reincarnation up unitil some time around the 3rd or 4th century AD, another Buddism-esque belief. From what I read, Reincarnation, as a teaching, was done away with by the early church because they felt that if people believed they had lots of lives, they wouldn't try as hard to be good in this one (I think I read that in a Greg Braden book, but I am not sure).

The India nonsense is stuff people made up over the years to try to downplay him into only some kind of enlightened spiritual guru, philosopher, or merely a good teacher. It tries to be "unoffensive" to Christians by saying Jesus was an alright guy or had good lessons for humanity, But it completely ignores the words and teachings of Christ, the claims He made about himself being the Son of God, His death and resurrection, and being the only way to salvation.
Christians believe in a onetime "reincarnation" into new bodies during/after eternal judgement.

Actually it doesn't. Buddhists and Hindus believe many of the things Jesus taught, they just believe that it is true of all people, and they interpret his words slightly differently. Eastern religions believe that in the state of enlightenment, one recognizes that God is All creation, including you and me, and therefore in the state of enlightenment, one recognizes that they too are God, since God is everything, and there is nothing that is not God. Enlightenment is one's recognition of oneself as that which one was seeking... ie... God.

Thus Jesus, in a state of complete enlightenment (eastern style enlightenment), would be unable to distinguish himself from God, which is exactly the way he spoke. This is a common understanding of what enlightenment is in Eastern religions and philosophies. But since Americans and Christians never bother to learn about other cultures or religions, they don't know this.

that would be all fine and dandy if that was what he taught but it wasn't. He taught that salvation came through Him alone, to repent and turn away from sin and have faith in Him, to follow his commandments, being obediant and submitting to Him/God, loving and caring for others, and His second coming and judgement.

He didn't teach that we all could become God or part of God.
He didn't teach that mankind could save itselt through enlightenment, goodness, or works.

 

[BurnItDwn]

He is really really really mentally deficient and/or really really really really gullible.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
But organ transplants are a-okay... how's that for logic.

but try getting one without a transfusion during surgery...

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: JohnCU
I was talking to a guy at work and he said he'd rather die than get a transfusion because the bible says not to.

interesting.

anyone else feel the same way?

I'd say just let him die, then. He's wasting perfectly good oxygen that the rest of us could be using...

When his corpse rots in the ground, does he get carbon credits for that??? 😕

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
I was talking to a guy at work and he said he'd rather die than get a transfusion because the bible says not to.

interesting.

anyone else feel the same way?

You're coworker misunderstands his own religion just as many others do. That is why religion is scary. People blindly agree with what others tell them is true.

As was pointed out earlier, it does not mention blood transfusions in the BIBLE to my knowledge.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

LOL religion.

 

[kitkat22]

I am always amazed at how these verses or really any verse in holy writ is extrapolated to fit a belief. We learned in junior high that extrapolation is usually a bad thing and can lead to wrong conclusions. Most people forget that the Bible is a compilation of books spread out of hundreds of years. That fact that it exists in as good a condition it is today is quite a miracle. It has been translated multiple times, by who know how many people, and for who knows how many reasons. We don't know all the people who helped translate, it very well have a been there was a monk who believed that the masses should not be able to read the Bible and mistranslate something to prevent the words of God from escaping to the "heathen." I think the progression goes from Hebrew to Greek/Latin to German and ultimately to English with King James. That is a lot of translation and anyone who know anything about translation knows that you cannot convey the true meaning for a lot of words, even simple words like "goodbye" don't necessarily have a direct translation in another language. I believe "ou revoir" is probably the closest, but the Spanish "adios" or the French "adieu" are different in context and meaning, even though it seems minor. What I'm ultimately getting at is how do you know that this particular scripture is not referring to sacrificing blood to the idols? or fornicating in front of the idols? It seems like a pretty big leap to go from sacrificing idols to not being able to receive blood products to no fornication. There is a way to find truth and blindly following someone without question is bound to lead to problems. <steps off soap box> Sorry for the rambling😛