I didn't get into Comp-Sci :( *UPDATE*

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Mucman, grades are a horrible thing from hell thanks to an idea from a tutor. It would have been way more productive If schools continued with evaluation by words. I believe there's a school that still operates that way.

Anyway, the reality is that they are an accepted standard so for a major with a lot of competitors you must put in more efforts to remain in the game. It's sad 'cuz this is one area where the bias of the professor or how the professor grades and tests could really make a difference and affect you. If you care about grades, always ask experienced students for the must not take professors.

On another note: I had a discussion with a father last year about having an undecided major. He had been pressuring his son to choose a major that would bring him money. During the course of our discussion he made known that his key points were the following: His kid should have a declared major. And the declared major should be such that would be financially productive. I saw his point about one having an undeclared major. I went through that phase for a while . . . 'cuz I was interested in mathematics but didn't want to be a teacher, luved engineering but wasn't so sure about my ability, luved history but wasn't sure of where it would take me, liked CS but didn't want that as a career, liked economics but preferred it for later, luved philosophy but didn't want to be left jobless, etc.

I eventually settled for one, but I did see what problem being undecided does. It is always best to settle for one, acquire the degree and then pursue the others you're passionate about on leisure or if you eventually decide it is what you want. I'm not sure I have the best suggestion, but it seemed to best to me.

Btw, you might want to think it through before you settle for mathematics. It isn't all about "problem solving" (i.e., computational). It gets really abstract once you cross Calculus I and II and cross applied linear algebra. After that, it will be primarily proofs you must deal with. It takes practice and immense understanding of theorems and axioms to get better with proofs.
 

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Mucman, played b-ball there for a couple years. From what I remember my Phyisics/Chem were tough cause the students were from Japan (Japanese boom years) and worked hard for marks. Yeah I dormed in Shell House. Spent more time playing pinball than studying though.
Kokanee.... and ciders for the Ladies. ;)
 

Mucman

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Luvly - You sound a lot like me :). I wanted to go to University because I wanted to learn things you can't just learn anywhere. Sometimes those profs that you are told to avoid are some of the best profs material wise... they just hurt on the GPA level. I had one of those profs and I learned by far the most from him!

I was actually only undecided for 1 year... I could not declare my major until I had finished the lower division requirements though... When I first decided on comp-sci my GPA was much higher and would not have predicted I would have this problem.

I have taken Calculus III and Linear Algebra... I really loved both since I could apply it to 3D graphics programming... Of course those courses are piddles compared to later courses.
 

Mucman

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sitka - cool, the ladies are definitely nice up there... too bad none of them take math or computer science :) It definitely is tough to compete with those who sacrifice their lives and stress out over a little letter to be awared to them... Can't really diss em for trying hard though, even though it is to the extreme.
 

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<< DaveSimmons - That is why I am asking whether I should even bother with a cert. I only need two more courses to get it, and it would be in courses where I already know the material because of work related experience >>

if you only need 2 classes, it's definitely better than no certificate even if it doesn't compare to a degree. Actually a math degree + CS certificate sounds like a good combination for scientific programming (biotech, simulations, defense, etc.) especially if you can get some programming experience along the way (RA work for profs, part-time job, internship).

It's worth spending the time to be able to do work that you enjoy, even if it takes years of study. since you'll spend more than half your waking hours on the job (barring a winning lottery ticket or rich spouse).
 

sitka

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Luvly makes a good point about wrapping one up. Especially if things aren't clear cut. I started in Science. Then got a government job and finished in Poli Sci. Made a good bit of money in film and construction and now I'm an MCSE with advanced CAD skills and the only one at a company of 400 that can program (not well mind you). Now I wish I had some CS fundamentals but there was no way to know that way back in University. Need about another year programming before I'll start focusing towards some formal CS training. I sat in some online courses at Univ of Illinois, they were neat and helped show me what the CS focus was. Programs like that seem like a good way later in life. But yeah you need to already be able to work with SQL, and a few languages.
 

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Join the club of denied CS-wannabes. :)

I go to the UW which has a great (read as "hard to get into and thinks alot of itself") CS department. I tried for 2 quarters to get into CS and eventually gave up. Computers are a hobby and passion; I had a 3.5GPA overall and a 4.0GPA in CS classes, but that wasn't good enough -- apparently I needed at least a 3.5GPA in the phys&calc series prereqs (I was around a 3.3). And I'm not rowing the pity boat by myself; I know a couple other people who were denied acceptance, and they had 3.8+ GPAs.

The only other hint I can give out is that she told me that the UWCS department likes to have people who do well in math&physics classes, not necessarily in CS classes. Basically, an interest in software/languages/hardware is not wanted. If it sounds like I"m bitter, I still am, somewhat. :)

I went into the applied math department (it's called ACMS here), and have been pretty happy. It's funny actually, my best grades ever & passion are in CS, and probably my weakest area is in math, so what happens, I end up being basically a math major. :p
 

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I am thankful I already have an awesome job, and when I told my boss the news he said he would gladly keep me if I don't want to go back to school... through this job I have learned tons of stuff like how to wire a server room (here), and now I am learning SQL, PERL, and right now I am writing some java to migrate our old mail server to CommuniGate Pro! After that I will be learning on communicating with Miva through an XML based web application! I know for sure that computers is where I want to go, and I know I don't need the letters BSc behind my name to do it... I just thought it would be nice to have anyways :)