I did not know we used so much gasoline

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
The fuel usage apologists in here are cracking me up. Granted, we have more distance to cover in our day to day drives and a pathetic rail system that is used everywhere else in the world. but time to face facts, we use a sh|tload of petrol. plain and simple.

A high speed rail like the system in Western Europe or Japan would be hideously expensive to network all our major cities due to the distances involved and all the grade separation that would be required.

You could do one between the major east coast cities, but really, I just want some nice subway systems in the really big cities

 

[Scouzer]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
The fuel usage apologists in here are cracking me up. Granted, we have more distance to cover in our day to day drives and a pathetic rail system that is used everywhere else in the world. but time to face facts, we use a sh|tload of petrol. plain and simple.

A high speed rail like the system in Western Europe or Japan would be hideously expensive to network all our major cities due to the distances involved and all the grade separation that would be required.

You could do one between the major east coast cities, but really, I just want some nice subway systems in the really big cities

See that's the real problem in North America. Even if we did invest in billions of dollar train lines, the public transit in 95% of North American cities are beyond worthless.

You have Joe the Business traveller. He can drive for 4 hours to his destination in style and luxury, or he can take the train. The train will take him there in a mere two hours, then he spends the next two hours transferring 110 degree buses with the riff raff of society.

Who would do it? Major cities need the extensive public transit WITHIN the cities before multi city links should even be considered.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
At first glance this chart would make it appear that the U.S. uses more Litres per day than all those other countries combined. But if you think about it for a second that is not so. They could have merely taken the US vertical bar and subimposed (is that a word?) it under the other vertical bar on the right. I think this was biased and intentional the way it was done. All it really means is the the U.S. uses the most. Not that the U.S. uses more than all those countries combined. But I think that is how it is meant to make it appear at first. That is what I see wrong with it. I mean honestly. . .do you really believe all those other countries COMBINED use only 1.2 billion liters of fuel per day while the US alone uses almost 1.4? No effing way.

Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup:

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
The fuel usage apologists in here are cracking me up. Granted, we have more distance to cover in our day to day drives and a pathetic rail system that is used everywhere else in the world. but time to face facts, we use a sh|tload of petrol. plain and simple.

A high speed rail like the system in Western Europe or Japan would be hideously expensive to network all our major cities due to the distances involved and all the grade separation that would be required.

You could do one between the major east coast cities, but really, I just want some nice subway systems in the really big cities

Yea, the major cities in the NE are the best candidates.
The California coast could be justified as well, SF-LA-SD and a spur off to LV.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
The fuel usage apologists in here are cracking me up. Granted, we have more distance to cover in our day to day drives and a pathetic rail system that is used everywhere else in the world. but time to face facts, we use a sh|tload of petrol. plain and simple.

A high speed rail like the system in Western Europe or Japan would be hideously expensive to network all our major cities due to the distances involved and all the grade separation that would be required.

You could do one between the major east coast cities, but really, I just want some nice subway systems in the really big cities

See that's the real problem in North America. Even if we did invest in billions of dollar train lines, the public transit in 95% of North American cities are beyond worthless.

You have Joe the Business traveller. He can drive for 4 hours to his destination in style and luxury, or he can take the train. The train will take him there in a mere two hours, then he spends the next two hours transferring 110 degree buses with the riff raff of society.

Who would do it? Major cities need the extensive public transit WITHIN the cities before multi city links should even be considered.

A number of cities in the NE corridor already have this. Boston, DC, NYC.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
There is so much wrong with that chart's comparison I do not know where to begin.

Originally posted by: ahurtt
At first glance this chart would make it appear that the U.S. uses more Litres per day than all those other countries combined. But if you think about it for a second that is not so. do you really believe all those other countries COMBINED use only 1.2 billion liters of fuel per day while the US alone uses almost 1.4? No effing way.

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
wow... that is misleading, I thought it was saying the USA uses more petrol than the rest of the world combined.

It really isn't misleading. Folks, it is time for you to step up and face the truth. Americans use a LOT of gasoline. I'm not saying it is bad, I'm not saying we have to change. But I am saying that America uses a lot.

You can get the data in many locations. In billions of gallons of countries on that chart:
US: 133
Total for column on the left from graph: 133

Japan: 15.5
China: 13.1
Canada: 10.2
Russia: 8.9
Germany: 9.5
Mexico: 8.1
Britian: 7.2
Italy: 5.8
Iran: 4.8
Australia: 4.8
France: 4.5
Brazil: 4.2
Saudia Arabia: 3.8
Indonesia: 3.6
Venezuela: 3.4
India: 2.7
Spain: 2.9
Taiwan: 2.5
South Africa: 2.6
South Korea: 2.6
Total for column on the right from graph: 120.7

You can see, the US uses more gasoline than the top 20 other countries combined. That isn't ALL other countries, just the top 20 they listed.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
There is so much wrong with that chart's comparison I do not know where to begin.

Originally posted by: ahurtt
At first glance this chart would make it appear that the U.S. uses more Litres per day than all those other countries combined. But if you think about it for a second that is not so. do you really believe all those other countries COMBINED use only 1.2 billion liters of fuel per day while the US alone uses almost 1.4? No effing way.

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
wow... that is misleading, I thought it was saying the USA uses more petrol than the rest of the world combined.

It really isn't misleading. Folks, it is time for you to step up and face the truth. Americans use a LOT of gasoline. I'm not saying it is bad, I'm not saying we have to change. But I am saying that America uses a lot.

You can get the data in many locations. In billions of gallons of countries on that chart:
US: 133
Total for column on the left from graph: 133

Japan: 15.5
China: 13.1
Canada: 10.2
Russia: 8.9
Germany: 9.5
Mexico: 8.1
Britian: 7.2
Italy: 5.8
Iran: 4.8
Australia: 4.8
France: 4.5
Brazil: 4.2
Saudia Arabia: 3.8
Indonesia: 3.6
Venezuela: 3.4
India: 2.7
Spain: 2.9
Taiwan: 2.5
South Africa: 2.6
South Korea: 2.6
Total for column on the right from graph: 120.7

You can see, the US uses more gasoline than the top 20 other countries combined. That isn't ALL other countries, just the top 20 they listed.

Thanks for working it out

 

[thepd7]

edited due to clarification.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: thepd7
LOL, you are the target audience of this chart. Look hard for a few hours and you might figure out why. I will give you a hint, someone in this thread already pointed it out for you.

Please explain. I don't think I could figure out your meaning if I looked hard for a few hours.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Engineer
The world produces just over 80 million barrels of oil per day...and the US uses just over 20 million of those 80. The US uses about 25% of the world oil...per day.

Unless the scales are different, I would be willing to say (at this point) that the US does indeed use more than all of those countries combined.

LOL, you are the target audience of this chart. Look hard for a few hours and you might figure out why. I will give you a hint, someone in this thread already pointed it out for you.

wtf

 

[lozina]

wow thats pretty scary

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
At first glance this chart would make it appear that the U.S. uses more Litres per day than all those other countries combined. But if you think about it for a second that is not so. They could have merely taken the US vertical bar and subimposed (is that a word?) it under the other vertical bar on the right. I think this was biased and intentional the way it was done. All it really means is the the U.S. uses the most. Not that the U.S. uses more than all those countries combined. But I think that is how it is meant to make it appear at first. That is what I see wrong with it. I mean honestly. . .do you really believe all those other countries COMBINED use only 1.2 billion liters of fuel per day while the US alone uses almost 1.4? No effing way.

Effing way. The chart is correct. 2006 worls oil demmand (in thousands barrels per day) was 84.473. The US portion was 20,588. So we use about 25% of the worlds oil for gasolene and all other oil industrial uses (plastics, lubricants, etc).

 

[Kirby]

Hell, our family has 4 vehicles. What do you expect?

 

[klipschman]

Another thing to consider in the US's oil consumption is our military. The Department of Defense is the single largest consumer of gas in the world. It's just the way it is; if you want to have the superior mobility and outreach that our military can provide, you need gas for the planes, carrier groups, transport vehicles, etc.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: thepd7
edited due to clarification.

Did YOU finally look at it for a few hours 😉

One more link that might help...

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Thanks for working it out

You are welcome. It is stunning that California uses more gasoline than any country in the world (except the US of course).

What that Economist graph is lacking of course, is that (1) the US is the 4th most populated country, (2) we have the largest GDP by FAR, (3) we have the 3rd largest area of land. So of course we use a lot of gasoline. We are also quite efficient with that usage.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
There is so much wrong with that chart's comparison I do not know where to begin.

Originally posted by: ahurtt
At first glance this chart would make it appear that the U.S. uses more Litres per day than all those other countries combined. But if you think about it for a second that is not so. do you really believe all those other countries COMBINED use only 1.2 billion liters of fuel per day while the US alone uses almost 1.4? No effing way.

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
wow... that is misleading, I thought it was saying the USA uses more petrol than the rest of the world combined.

It really isn't misleading. Folks, it is time for you to step up and face the truth. Americans use a LOT of gasoline. I'm not saying it is bad, I'm not saying we have to change. But I am saying that America uses a lot.

You can get the data in many locations. In billions of gallons of countries on that chart:
US: 133
Total for column on the left from graph: 133

Japan: 15.5
China: 13.1
Canada: 10.2
Russia: 8.9
Germany: 9.5
Mexico: 8.1
Britian: 7.2
Italy: 5.8
Iran: 4.8
Australia: 4.8
France: 4.5
Brazil: 4.2
Saudia Arabia: 3.8
Indonesia: 3.6
Venezuela: 3.4
India: 2.7
Spain: 2.9
Taiwan: 2.5
South Africa: 2.6
South Korea: 2.6
Total for column on the right from graph: 120.7

You can see, the US uses more gasoline than the top 20 other countries combined. That isn't ALL other countries, just the top 20 they listed.

Yeah, not sure why those posters would think that South Korea used over 1.2 Billion L of fuel per day, or Taiwan using more than China by almost an order of magnitude...

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: thepd7
edited due to clarification.

Did YOU finally look at it for a few hours 😉

One more link that might help...

lol no I didn't, I was being a jerk without fully understanding it.

/silently bows out

 

[Safeway]

It isn't misleading. The US uses more than all those countries combined.

 

[Born2bwire]

What about diesel or other replacement fuel consumption? It's been my impression that the US uses gasoline as the primary car fuel but a lot of other countries use diesel or even propane or natural gas (though I highly doubt the consumption of the latter is very large).

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
What about diesel or other replacement fuel consumption? It's been my impression that the US uses gasoline as the primary car fuel but a lot of other countries use diesel or even propane or natural gas (though I highly doubt the consumption of the latter is very large).

That becomes a more complex comparison. Lets just keep it simple. The US uses ~25% of all energy used in the world, if you combine all of the energy sources.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Safeway
It isn't misleading. The US uses more than all those countries combined.

Yeah, but some people just have some odd need to get defensive about anything that they think makes us look bad.

It really isn't surprising. I'd say just run a few numbers. We have more cars on the road than most countries have people. For gasoline, we use around 9.5 million barrels a day; that's more barrels than any other country uses as a whole. It is a lot cheaper to drive in this country than most. The countries that are cheaper to drive in are fairly poor, so even though it's cheap, the people don't have the money to take advantage of it. The UK, for instance, being one of the worst for driving, has nearly every cost of driving double ours. Forget big cars, how would you like to spend over $30k on a Civic and over $60 to fill it?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Hot damn, 5 dollars for a fillup in Saudi Arabia?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: thepd7
edited due to clarification.

Did YOU finally look at it for a few hours 😉

One more link that might help...

lol no I didn't, I was being a jerk without fully understanding it.

/silently bows out

:laugh:

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Engineer
The world produces just over 80 million barrels of oil per day...and the US uses just over 20 million of those 80. The US uses about 25% of the world oil...per day.

Unless the scales are different, I would be willing to say (at this point) that the US does indeed use more than all of those countries combined.

LOL, you are the target audience of this chart. Look hard for a few hours and you might figure out why. I will give you a hint, someone in this thread already pointed it out for you.

Well maybe they pointed wrong? Thanks dullard for your above analysis. Exactly what I was saying without bringing up the tables.

Target indeed! 😛

 

[badkarma1399]

Sweet, that means that we're number 1. Ya hear that everyone? we're number one! USA! USA! USA! wooooo!