I did it again... bought another gun

[Raduque]

Some do...

The 93 kind of needs it.

 

[Joseph F]

Shut the fuck up you fucking pathetic excuse for a man. If you don't like guns, don't click on the thread and go back to jerking off over trees and polar bears while taking it in the ass from your Apple loving boyfriend or whatever the fuck people like you do.

Schneiderguy powns again!

 

[Vic Vega]

Check out recent chronograph testings of Double Tap ammo, you'll probably find their claimed speeds aren't measuring up to what people are getting.

Why settle for .45 ACP when you could just get 10mm. 1911 model guns are available in 10mm. The 10mm Glocks are the same size as the .45 Glocks.

Looking at 10mm, here's some chronograph date from drsjr1969's Youtube videos. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E&hl=en#gid=0 You can see who loads hot ammo, and how far Double Tap is off their claimed mark. Underwood, Reed's, Elite, and Buffalo Bore have some of the hottest ammo.

DT ammo has been tested over and over and I've seen plenty of tests. One guy on YT is not exactly a scientific study.

I have a Glock 20C and enjoy 10MM, but the choices in 10MM are limited, even though it is probably my favorite round.

 

[Vic Vega]

Capacity difference between .40 and .45 is negligible, maybe 2 in a full size...and perceived recoil is more harsh with a .40, I've fired the exact same gun in each caliber and the .45 "felt" much easier to control, popular consensus is the .40 has much more muzzle flip and less control, now 9mm does give appreciably more capacity and control...IMHO

Depends on the gun but in most cases the .40 offer a significant increase in capacity.

Glock 22 .40 S&W 15+1
Sig P220 .45 ACP 8+1
Standard 1911 .45 ACP 8+1
Para 14-45 .45 ACP 14+1

.40 S&W definitely has a lot of felt recoil, especially in polymer guns where the frame absorbs less of it.

 

[corwin]

The 93 kind of needs it.

Exactly...just showing examples...

 

[BladeVenom]

Because 10mm is freaking expensive. Even aluminum cased Blazer is 50 cents per round.

By comparison, I can get brass cased (I reload, so I use them) .45 for 33 cents a round.

If you reload, 10mm is cheaper. You can buy the brass for the same cost, .40/10mm bullets are cheaper than .45, and they use the same primers.
http://www.starlinebrass.com/index.php?cPath=1

Plus the .45 has probably the most distinguished history of any handgun cartridge. If it's good enough for two World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf, among many other conflicts, it's good enough to defend my home.

So it's more about nostalgia. I can understand that, I have lots of friends who like black powder and archery.

 

[corwin]

Depends on the gun but in most cases the .40 offer a significant increase in capacity.

Glock 22 .40 S&W 15+1
Sig P220 .45 ACP 8+1
Standard 1911 .45 ACP 8+1
Para 14-45 .45 ACP 14+1

.40 S&W definitely has a lot of felt recoil, especially in polymer guns where the frame absorbs less of it.

Comparing single to double stack isn't exactly apples to apples though

Para 14-45 .45 ACP 14+1
Para 16-40 .40 S&W 16+1
Para 18-9 9mm 18+1
Glock 21 .45 ACP 13+1
Glock 17 9mm 17+1
"Standard" 1911 9mm 9+1
"Standard" 1911 .40 S&W 9+1

Exact same frame and size yields 2 extra rounds in .40 and 4 in 9mm, for just 2 extra I'd stick with .45, for the extra 4 in 9mm I'd still stick with .45

 

[shortylickens]

Come at me bro

 

[corwin]

The 93 kind of needs it

For fun I just looked up if it was legal to have a fore grip on a handgun and apparently it isn't*...apparently it falls under the NFA as the moment you attach a fore grip or stock it's deemed a SBR essentially since it's "intended to be used with 2 hands"

*Well not legal without the appropriate tax stamps, forms, etc. if you don't live in a commie state

 

[qliveur]

Shut the fuck up you fucking pathetic excuse for a man. If you don't like guns, don't click on the thread and go back to jerking off over trees and polar bears while taking it in the ass from your Apple loving boyfriend or whatever the fuck people like you do.

rofl :awe:

 

[pontifex]

For fun I just looked up if it was legal to have a fore grip on a handgun and apparently it isn't*...apparently it falls under the NFA as the moment you attach a fore grip or stock it's deemed a SBR essentially since it's "intended to be used with 2 hands"

*Well not legal without the appropriate tax stamps, forms, etc. if you don't live in a commie state

Beretta 93Rs are 3 round burst capable and automatically NFA right there.

 

[corwin]

Beretta 93Rs are 3 round burst capable and automatically NFA right there.

I knew that but was just curious if you could do it to any handgun for kicks...turns out that's a no unless you want to pay up

 

[BladeVenom]

For fun I just looked up if it was legal to have a fore grip on a handgun and apparently it isn't*...apparently it falls under the NFA as the moment you attach a fore grip or stock it's deemed a SBR essentially since it's "intended to be used with 2 hands"

*Well not legal without the appropriate tax stamps, forms, etc. if you don't live in a commie state

They've restricted vertical fore grips. You can have a horizontal, even with some angle. People have been putting these on AR type pistols.

 

[corwin]

They've restricted vertical fore grips. You can have a horizontal, even with some angle. People have been putting these on AR type pistols.

That's cool, just never really bothered to think about it before and find it a little absurd they're restricted in the first place...and an AR type "pistol" is about the only thing I could think of they'd even be useful on

 

[gorcorps]

Went out with it today and it shot very well. All my buddies agreed it was a very impressive trigger. The draw is a little longer than other semi-autos, but it's not bad and it's expected since it was designed to be a police carry weapon. Obviously can't hold a candle to the crisp 1911 trigger, but for a polymer frame gun with no thumb safety it's excellent. It all depends on what you want.

 

[alkemyst]

So it's more about nostalgia. I can understand that, I have lots of friends who like black powder and archery.

A lot more than nostalgia add to the fact that the 1911 when properly made is one of the most reliable and accurate man stoppers.

 

[HAL9000]

Cool gun, I'm a secret Bond addict and given that the PPQ is based on the P99 I like it. If I lived in a country that allowed concealed carry and I felt the need then I'd own a PPK... Because I want to be bond

 

[alkemyst]

Capacity difference between .40 and .45 is negligible, maybe 2 in a full size...and perceived recoil is more harsh with a .40, I've fired the exact same gun in each caliber and the .45 "felt" much easier to control, popular consensus is the .40 has much more muzzle flip and less control, now 9mm does give appreciably more capacity and control...IMHO

The only time I have heard anyone say the .40 had more felt recoil was comparing a .45 fired from a full-sized 1911 to a polymer .40 and/or using hot loads in the .40 and not the .45.

The talk of the .40 vs .45 being more snappy/flippy is usually always by .40 owners. This is a popular subject on xDforums.

If you look at the ballistic numbers, that's the real deal.

The .40 was supposed to give the 'feel' of a 9mm with the 'power' of the .45.

I like the round.

The .357Sig is another neat round. Nice fireballs.

 

[Joseph F]

Cool gun, I'm a secret Bond addict and given that the PPQ is based on the P99 I like it. If I lived in a country that allowed concealed carry and I felt the need then I'd own a PPK... Because I want to be bond

I don't think that your Bond addiction is so secret.

 

[HAL9000]

I don't think that your Bond addiction is so secret.

I know... I know... :$

 

[IGemini]

Nice. I'd probably track down a P99AS for myself, I got spoiled with it being the first pistol I've fired. I like the extra trigger pull for that first round (if I want it). Field stripping either is also ridiculously easy compared to most other pistols.

 

[gorcorps]

Nice. I'd probably track down a P99AS for myself, I got spoiled with it being the first pistol I've fired. I like the extra trigger pull for that first round (if I want it). Field stripping either is also ridiculously easy compared to most other pistols.

I almost got the P99AS, but I didn't like how far the trigger pull was even after the first shot. The PPQ is much closer to what I'm used to.

 

[BladeVenom]

A lot more than nostalgia add to the fact that the 1911 when properly made is one of the most reliable and accurate man stoppers.

Most of the 10mm pistol options are 1911s, Glock and EAA are the exception. Colt, Kimber, Dan Wesson, Fusion, Wilson, Bar-Sto, STi all offer a 1911 10mm. Other companies probably do in their custom shop.

.357 is generally considered the best man stopper in a handgun, and the 10mm offers the same power as a .357.

With a 10mm you can get the benefits of the 1911 design (or Glock for the Glock fans), with the power of a .357, and the magazine capacity of a .40.

 

[alkemyst]

10mm was given up by the FBI and others for a reason...I'd read their findings.

 

[BladeVenom]

The FBI determined the 10mm was the best choice. Then they found the recoil was a bit much for some of their weaker members, so they had their 10mm ammo loaded weak enough that even the weakest FBI agents didn't mind shooting it. Then S&W came out with the .40 which was almost as good as the weakened FBI loads, but the .40 could fit in 9mm sized guns. So then the .40 became popular.

So 10mm may not be the best choice for some women, and weaker men.