I created a tee shirt for the liberals here...

[dank69]

Just messing around today with an idea I had.

Whack the link in my sig and let me know what you think.

 

[Kazukian]

You should have gone with his map:

 

[Sunburn74]

More than half and almost 2/3 live in the blue zones.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

More than half and almost 2/3 live in the blue zones.

I guess surface area is supposed to be more representative than actual population... or something...

 

[werepossum]

Just messing around today with an idea I had.

Whack the link in my sig and let me know what you think.

I think that's a great idea. That way idiots won't have to waste my time actually talking to me - I can just see it on their shirts and move on.

 

[buckshot24]

Just messing around today with an idea I had.

Whack the link in my sig and let me know what you think.

I think it sucks.

 

[FIVR]

You should have gone with his map:

This meme doesn't even make any sense. So because the physical land you occupy is larger, that means your vote should count for more? You've positioned your physical human bodies further apart, therefore you should have more say? I don't really understand how this map supports your argument. People are minuscule on the scale of the US, and I don't see why a person's physical size on a map (or in person) should affect how much their vote counts.

This must be a Civics 101 course from Trump University. You must be an alumnus.

 

[flexy]

"Let's march on Washington!" "We need a revolution!" "A travesty for democracy" "Rigged!!" - Trump about the EC in 2012
This is why we need the EC", It's so fucking cool, it's awesome - Trump supporters in 2016, but ONLY because this time the "rigged" system fake-elected Trump.

So I guess the "usefulness" and attractiveness of the EC changes merely based on who wins. Proven by Trump himself. You need more prove for this failed system?

 

[Zaap]

This meme doesn't even make any sense. So because the physical land you occupy is larger, that means your vote should count for more? You've positioned your physical human bodies further apart, therefore you should have more say? I don't really understand how this map supports your argument. People are minuscule on the scale of the US, and I don't see why a person's physical size on a map (or in person) should affect how much their vote counts.

This must be a Civics 101 course from Trump University. You must be an alumnus.

You added the last line and made yourself sound like a jackass.


Actually, the fact that half the population is more widely spread, means it likely represents a very large diversity of political issues. Politics is local as they say. All those people across MOST of the nation by far don't deserve to be overlooked every election cycle.

It's almost like people in the larger cities are jealous of the country folks. 'Wah! Your vote counts more than mine!'

It's a bit irrational. Large city populations have tremendous voting power and can sway their entire state, thereby commanding all the EC votes.

City people whining every time an election doesn't go a certain way... its long since gotten old. Time to get past that pity party.

 

[shady28]

This meme doesn't even make any sense. So because the physical land you occupy is larger, that means your vote should count for more? You've positioned your physical human bodies further apart, therefore you should have more say? I don't really understand how this map supports your argument. People are minuscule on the scale of the US, and I don't see why a person's physical size on a map (or in person) should affect how much their vote counts.

This must be a Civics 101 course from Trump University. You must be an alumnus.

That's pretty funny, first you profess total ignorance of why and how our government is setup, then move on to denigrating anyone who doesn't hold your (very ignorant) opinion.

If you don't understand 8th grade civics, I bet you don't know this either. The GOP is 3 states from being able to hold a constitutional convention if they so desired.

Do you know what that means? No I bet you don't, because you're the ignorant one.

 

[MrSquished]

That's pretty funny, first you profess total ignorance of why and how our government is setup, then move on to denigrating anyone who doesn't hold your (very ignorant) opinion.

If you don't understand 8th grade civics, I bet you don't know this either. The GOP is 3 states from being able to hold a constitutional convention if they so desired.

Do you know what that means? No I bet you don't, because you're the ignorant one.

I'd like to see them try. What are they going to call a convention for, to ban gay marriage? Guns are already legal. What else do they want to do to amend the constitution. I hope you'd see all the blue states vote to secede. Then the red states can take their federal welfare dollars and shove them up their ass.

 

[Annisman*]

You added the last line and made yourself sound like a jackass.


Actually, the fact that half the population is more widely spread, means it likely represents a very large diversity of political issues. Politics is local as they say. All those people across MOST of the nation by far don't deserve to be overlooked every election cycle.

It's almost like people in the larger cities are jealous of the country folks. 'Wah! Your vote counts more than mine!'

It's a bit irrational. Large city populations have tremendous voting power and can sway their entire state, thereby commanding all the EC votes.

City people whining every time an election doesn't go a certain way... its long since gotten old. Time to get past that pity party.

This is so true, and also why my vote will never 'count' thanks to living in a state that includes NYC. My particular area of the country feels very conservative when you actually talk to people, yet our area will always be represented by a single city hundreds of miles away. The E.C. has its negatives but overall it does what it was meant to do well.

 

[Brainonska511]

This is so true, and also why my vote will never 'count' thanks to living in a state that includes NYC. My particular area of the country feels very conservative when you actually talk to people, yet our area will always be represented by a single city hundreds of miles away. The E.C. has its negatives but overall it does what it was meant to do well.

The electoral college wasn't always a winner-take-all in each state. For the most part, it didn't become that way until the late 1820s. Prior to that, many states had delegates that were elected via local election districts, congressional district, or by the state legislature. The former two in this list would actually benefit more conservative areas of so-called safe blue states and more liberal areas of safe red states.

 

[Annisman*]

The electoral college wasn't always a winner-take-all in each state. For the most part, it didn't become that way until the late 1820s. Prior to that, many states had delegates that were elected via local election districts, congressional district, or by the state legislature. The former two in this list would actually benefit more conservative areas of so-called safe blue states and more liberal areas of safe red states.

Thanks for the info, do some states give partial votes or are they all winner take all today ?

 

[Brainonska511]

Thanks for the info, do some states give partial votes or are they all winner take all today ?

Only Nebraska and Maine split the votes now. Some states have also signed the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, but it would only go into effect when > 270 worth of electoral votes sign onto it.

I made this chart earlier today (compiled from Wikipedia) that kind of outlined how the EC worked in the earlier days of the republic:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Brainonska511/presidentialelectors-01.png

 

[trenchfoot]

Clever. :thumbsup:

That's something that'd really go over big at Trump's inauguration ceremony en masse.

 

[michal1980]

The shirt, and the idea behind it, is one of the main reasons the libs lost the election. So smug.

 

[flexy]

The shirt, and the idea behind it, is one of the main reasons the libs lost the election. So smug.

Correction: This is the reason CLINTON lost the election, not "the libs". Because I and MANY others absolutely would have wanted Bernie (regardless of your opinion on him). And let me assure you, despite him being the evil socialist, his policies would definitely have helped the "people in the gray zones". (I just typed gay zones...lol). Because he was ALL ABOUT support for the poor and disadvantaged, the blue collar workers above everything. So..we're not "smug", or at least I am not, because I don't get a kick out of voting "against" the rural people. I see very well WHY she lost.

Anyway, it doesn't change anything that the EC is flawed. It is not flawed "per se", but now history has proven that the discrepancy is taken advantage of..to CLAIM it is rigged. The system as it is plays into the hands of dictators and fascists, even if you deny it. A Trump or anyone else should NEVER be able to look at the result and claim "it's rigged", and use it as propaganda. THIS TIME, he merely doesn't because he won.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Now wait a minute, Trump claimed the vote to be rigged if he lost, why is it not now rigged if he won?

 

[Blue_Max]

This comes a close second to a warning light and flags that scream "I'm a progressive! Prepare to be either an ally or be shamed with every accusation in the book!"

 

[dank69]

How did this turn into a discussion about the electoral college? I wasn't making a statement about that. Lol

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This comes a close second to a warning light and flags that scream "I'm a progressive! Prepare to be either an ally or be shamed with every accusation in the book!"

heh, this is basically you, in every thread you create about 'social justice warriors'. But please, feel free to say it's not.

 

[fskimospy]

You should have gone with his map:

That has to be the dumbest argument that I have ever heard for the electoral college, that land area is the important part. The person that made that gif should get his money back from wherever taught him civics 101.

 

[fskimospy]

Now wait a minute, Trump claimed the vote to be rigged if he lost, why is it not now rigged if he won?

You answered your own question there. Elections are only rigged if they give you the 'wrong' result.

 

[Atreus21]

Just messing around today with an idea I had.

Whack the link in my sig and let me know what you think.

I suppose if you're intent on projecting bitterness, arrogance, and butthurt all in a single T-shirt, good job.