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BoberFett

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They're against Democrats building highways, or doing anything but leaving the country.

Democrats can build anything they want. In their own states. Why do we need bloated federal government skimming off everything that happens in this country? It's bureaucracy that exists solely for supporting itself. States would function just fine without them, and without their skimming cash off the top of everything. Think how much more you could do in your state without having to fund those damn red states, and without massive federal agencies just sending you back a small portion of the money you sent them.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Democrats can build anything they want. In their own states. Why do we need bloated federal government skimming off everything that happens in this country? It's bureaucracy that exists solely for supporting itself. States would function just fine without them, and without their skimming cash off the top of everything. Think how much more you could do in your state without having to fund those damn red states, and without massive federal agencies just sending you back a small portion of the money you sent them.

How lame. Places like Mississippi would sink into the delta ooze, while much of red center of the country would dry up and blow away, not to mention Alaska-

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/fedspend_per_taxesbystate-20071009.pdf

I don't begrudge 'em the money, just the attitude...
 

Fear No Evil

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The progressive left's plan for the rest of this election season:

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trenchfoot

Lifer
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The OP's challenge has still not been met. tick-tock-tick-tock.....

Well, let me correct that statement: It has been met.......with obfuscation, misdirection and diversion, but I don't think that's what the OP had in mind. lol
 

Fear No Evil

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I'll use the OP's own words to prove it:

"I know that that since the New Deal America has built bridges, power dams, the interstate highway system, provided for tens of millions of Americans retirements, all the while America became the richest country in the world, with the best infrastructure."

Quite a few Republicans have been elected since the new deal. Proof? About as much proof as the OP offered.

You guys do need to make up your mind on your talking points though. On one had we have Obama and the progressives telling us that only big business are getting rich and our infrastructure is falling apart.. and now you are saying that we are the richest country in the world and our infrastructure is one of our great achievements? Which is it?

Ok, lets say I believe the OP.. Why does the progressive left support big business raping the middle/lower class and why have they presided over the complete meltdown over our infrastructure?

Please pick one talking point.
 

BoberFett

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BoberFett

Lifer
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The OP's challenge has still not been met. tick-tock-tick-tock.....

Well, let me correct that statement: It has been met.......with obfuscation, misdirection and diversion, but I don't think that's what the OP had in mind. lol

:rolleyes:

Prove that Democrat policies have ever worked.

I'll be waiting.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Are you implying some causality?

Merely noting that we are discussing policies enacted before most here were born. I think a better question is "What has Washington recently done which truly benefits the nation"?

That being party neutral isn't in the spirit of political sniping, which goes against our dearest practiced principles here.
 

Jhhnn

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That's Mississippi's problem. "Liberals" constantly talk about how much they hate Mississippi anyway, so drop the messiah complex.

They are my countrymen, and I'd like to keep it that way. The United States of America, remember? I have other selfish reasons, as well, like maintenance of the interstate highway system and a relatively uniform code of conduct and justice. Not to mention 100% cotton clothes.

The power structure in much of the deep rural south is such that ordinary people born and raised there are at an extreme disadvantage, with poor education and backward folkways. It makes 'em easy to exploit and manipulate by so-called Conservatives. It's my duty as a citizen and a human being to try to change that, if only in small ways.
 
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I've lived in the rural south enough to know the only way to change that is to give these poorly educated backward folks exactly what they ask for and hope they learn their lesson, because know-it-all liberals with their edumacation and fancy logic aint gonna learn 'em nuthin'. Especially with them Muslims takin' over everything.
 

BoberFett

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They are my countrymen, and I'd like to keep it that way. The United States of America, remember? I have other selfish reasons, as well, like maintenance of the interstate highway system and a relatively uniform code of conduct and justice. Not to mention 100% cotton clothes.

The power structure in much of the deep rural south is such that ordinary people born and raised there are at an extreme disadvantage, with poor education and backward folkways. It makes 'em easy to exploit and manipulate by so-called Conservatives. It's my duty as a citizen and a human being to try to change that, if only in small ways.

OK, then don't get pissed when they elect another Bush and keep pushing for abortion bans and prayer in schools.
 

boomerang

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And to think I was going to skip over this thread. It's a must see in P&N.

When elections loom, techs typically delivers. These mid-terms are no exception.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Whats the old line again?

Republicans spend all their time telling us how bad and ineffective Government is and when they get elected they go ahead and prove it.
 

piasabird

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It is not that spending money is bad. What is the big problem is that every time that democrats start writing legislation, is that so much red tape and social engineering is added and that drives up costs of everyone. On average government projects are close to being 2/3rd wasted funds. Then to get any seemingly useful bill 100 items are added to pay for people to pass the bill.

Bridge to nowhere comes to mind.

It was estimated that a simple program like Cash for Clunkers in which only a little over 1/3 of the actually funds of the bill made it to the consumers. While the program was popular, it was targeted at helping people with gas guzzler cars or people with cars designed for larger families. So the program was not managed in a way that allowed the public to utilize it in a fair and equitable manner.
 

BeauJangles

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So, I challenge you to show the successes of your policies.

Obviously my policies are varied, so I'll have to choose a few to discuss.

1) Nothing Good Happens After 2:30 am Act of 2006 After several years of debate in my lower House of Consciousness and a some flip-flopping, this policy went into effect five years ago, to great effect. The Organized Activities Commission's subcommittee, The Committee For Staying Up and Late Drinking, received sweeping new powers to enforce curfews, and impose temporary budgetary freezes. So far, it has kept me out of several fights, prevented me from being in the middle of other people's drama, and ensured that my Sat / Sun mornings aren't ruined by exhaustion. I'd say this policy has been a rousing success in my life and led to few, if any, situations where I regretted calling it a night at 2 am.


2) The Girlfriend Act of 2008 In reality, The Girlfriend Act was a reform package which reformed policies that had been in place under the Temporarily Single After Having My Heart Broken Act of 2006/2007, which had, of course, been proceeded by the She Could Be The One Declaration of 2005. It brought sweeping changes to my Budget Office, Organized Activities Commission, my Bureau of Fermented, Distilled, and Brewed Beverages Office, My Foreign Policy Office (including the Penis Deployment Office, whose complicated filing system was shelved), and it had a dramatic effect on my Executive Office, with the installation of a new Vice President. It also had a temporarily dramatic effect on The Budget and Social Outlook Foresight Committee.

While these reforms were highly effective for a long time, they lost their edge recently. In early October, polls had indicated that the Happiness Factor was down nearly 75%, and the comprehensive report compiled by the Budget and Social Outlook Foresight Committee was grim. The house and Congress last week rushed through a dramatic overhaul under the Now Single Act of October 2010 which has boosted employment and reinvigorated many sectors of my economy which had been stagnant.

So, while The Girlfriend Act pulled me out of a recession, brought prosperity and joy to my life, and helped determine my long-term outlook, it was time for it to go. I'd give it a "moderately effective" rating.

3) Finally, we should probably examine the Deployment to Canada Act of 2007 and the subsequent Move in With High School Friends reform bill of 2008. The former, while well-conceived, was highly debated for many months. On the Pro side, we had impassioned speeches about being able to live abroad, spend time with family, make new friends, etc. the Con side pointed out how far away it was, how unsure I was about the employment I had accepted, and how I knew only a few people there. Ultimately, of course, the Pro side won and, while it was a great adventure filled with a few good times, it has to be seen as an ultimate failure in light of the Move in With High School Friends Act which brought much rejoicing. It has been in effect for two years and probably will not change for at least another year or two.

Those are the only policies I've ever been responsible for and, as you can tell, they've been a mixed bag, though mostly with positive results.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Dodge and spin. Typical. You have no proof.

Nice try on turning the OP's question around on me, which pretty much sums up your approach to the OP's challenge. It's fun to see how you're handling this.

Just answer the OP's question, which was all I was referring to. But I like how you find new and exciting ways to do exactly what I was referring to in my original post: divert.

As the OP challenged, and as I referred to in my original post: Either put up or shut up. (I just phrased it that way to be as plain and as succinct as I could be - no offense intended). :)
 

BoberFett

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Nice try on turning the OP's question around on me, which pretty much sums up your approach to the OP's challenge. It's fun to see how you're handling this.

Just answer the OP's question, which was all I was referring to. But I like how you find new and exciting ways to do exactly what I was referring to in my original post: divert.

As the OP challenged, and as I referred to in my original post: Either put up or shut up. (I just phrased it that way to be as plain and as succinct as I could be - no offense intended). :)

Nice try on turning my question around on me, which pretty much sums up your approach to my challenge. It's fun to see how you're handling this.

Just answer my question, which was all I was referring to. But I like how you find new and exciting ways to do exactly what I was referring to in my last post: divert.

As I challenged, and as I referred to in my counter-challenge: Either put up or shut up.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Ok, you right wing, Heritage Foundation, Fox News worshiping fanatics.
I challenge to show us examples of when your policies have EVER worked.

I know that that since the New Deal America has built bridges, power dams, the interstate highway system, provided for tens of millions of Americans retirements, all the while America became the richest country in the world, with the best infrastructure.

What I SEE is when they deregulated the banks in the 1980's the banks crashed. When they did the same in the 2000's the banks crashed.
Before the government built the interstate highway system it was and adventure to drive from city to city, or state to state. Private industry didn't even attempt to build roads. The transistor was developed by a company that had a government franchise to provide telephone service, would they have invested in technology over their investors if they didn't?

Iceland followed the right wing economic plan. It took about 15 years to totally bankrupt the country.

California deregulated electricity and got robbed blind.

So, I challenge you to show the successes of your policies.

Nothing yet so far...