I cant understand how a notebook consume less than a desktop

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i cant understand how is possible that my lapto consumes 45w ( based on the connector ) is amd a 12 with integrated graphics ( nice gpu )

versus my desktop computer that consumes 400/500 watts each hour in full

both computers runs each game of the market

im seriusly thinking to unmount the notebook computer, and put it in a case, for better refrigeration, with this ill save the world doing some eco powering.

anyone here mounted a notebook hardware in a desktop case?

 

[fire400]

Intel U and Y series will be low voltage

Intel H series will be semi-power saver

laptop mobos are meant to attempt to save power

general purpose desktop mobos are built for raw power house support of processor classes that can be swapped, and are engineered with fewer power saving features compared to laptop builds

really depends on the class of the laptop / desktop

a beefed up gaming laptop with discreet graphics at full speed will consume more power than a miniature desktop build that's running basic software and set to power saver mode

case mods exist with laptop parts, why not? fun projects are never without creativity

if you want your money's worth, however and great expansion options, desktop builds will generally offer better raw speed than compared to existing-laptop+chassis modding

Intel + Geforce is a good combination that requires less tweaking, but then again, the same can be had with AMD/Radeon combination if you regulate power and still get very similar computing/cooling.

 

[Confirmation]

Intel U and Y series will be low voltage

Intel H series will be semi-power saver

laptop mobos are meant to attempt to save power

general purpose desktop mobos are built for raw power house support of processor classes that can be swapped, and are engineered with fewer power saving features compared to laptop builds

really depends on the class of the laptop / desktop

a beefed up gaming laptop with discreet graphics at full speed will consume more power than a miniature desktop build that's running basic software and set to power saver mode

case mods exist with laptop parts, why not? fun projects are never without creativity

if you want your money's worth, however and great expansion options, desktop builds will generally offer better raw speed than compared to existing-laptop+chassis modding

Intel + Geforce is a good combination that requires less tweaking, but then again, the same can be had with AMD/Radeon combination if you regulate power and still get very similar computing/cooling.

my problem is the power consumption

because in my country, electricity is too expensive now, for example, you have a limit of 1400kwh each two months ( the trap, 2 months, not 1) then if you use more than 1400khw in your house, the cost per watt ( the total, even the consumed energy before pass the 1400khw ) gonna be x 4

this mean, in my country, if you use 1399 khw in 61 days, you will pay for 1399 khw

but if you use 1401 khw in 61 days you will pay 5604

nice scam right? government of my country say " it is necessary "

oh my god.. we are in year 2019, and electricity cost more than never in my country, of course, they are stealing to the people through this scam system...



then im trying to buy a new computer, better to an i7 920 with 1060 gtx, but, with less power consumption, but difference must be high

 

[TheStu]

my problem is the power consumption

because in my country, electricity is too expensive now, for example, you have a limit of 1400kwh each two months ( the trap, 2 months, not 1) then if you use more than 1400khw in your house, the cost per watt ( the total, even the consumed energy before pass the 1400khw ) gonna be x 4

this mean, in my country, if you use 1399 khw in 61 days, you will pay for 1399 khw

but if you use 1401 khw in 61 days you will pay 5604

nice scam right? government of my country say " it is necessary "

oh my god.. we are in year 2019, and electricity cost more than never in my country, of course, they are stealing to the people through this scam system...



then im trying to buy a new computer, better to an i7 920 with 1060 gtx, but, with less power consumption, but difference must be high

If your current system is an i7 920, then almost any newer Intel or AMD CPU (since you'd have to get new mobo and RAM anyway, might as well consider switching to AMD) will be faster and all of them will have lower power consumption. Those first generation Core CPUs ran hot and used a lot of power.

 

[Confirmation]

If your current system is an i7 920, then almost any newer Intel or AMD CPU (since you'd have to get new mobo and RAM anyway, might as well consider switching to AMD) will be faster and all of them will have lower power consumption. Those first generation Core CPUs ran hot and used a lot of power.

thats what i was studying, Amd has nice performance and low power consumption, even in graphic cards, while intel and nvidia, consumes a lot, for just a bit more performance, technically, amd is better than intel in the market, then i cant understand why in 2019 people still using intel, when intel is a lot expensive, and they only have more performance because consume more power

i think is time for intel to accept they are in second position in the market, and start to lowering the prices

i was thinking in doing a update to ryzen 7 1700, for many reasons, but i think ill wait 1 year more then update my setup when usb 4.0 arrive and ddr 5 ram arrive

 

[Ketchup]

How many threads are you going to create about the same thing? The fine folks in this Forum are giving you the answer, and you are either making up stuff and/or ignoring people. If you don't like Intel, fine, go AMD. They are very close to Intel in performance per watt, but still not quite there.

 

[mindless1]

Laptops tend to have mobile parts, designed for low power and possibly binned ahead of time towards that end. Further you can reduce the clockspeed of most chips and reduce their voltage requirement. You can do this on most desktops with a motherboard bios versatile enough to allow it, and cut your power consumption nearly in half, but of course you'll have lower performance too.

The laptop components cost more, setting aside for a moment the issue that the OEM gets a price break for volume purchases and doesn't have an additional middleman making profit like you do when you buy individual parts at retail.

Your desktop system does NOT consume 400W-500W if it has an i7 960 and GTX1060 GPU, probably closer to 300W if that (depending on other components), and this is with a significant load, not just sitting there mostly idle, reading some web forum topic unless you have a horribly inefficient PSU and a bunch of HDDs spinning or overclocking, etc.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

i cant understand how is possible that my lapto consumes 45w ( based on the connector ) is amd a 12 with integrated graphics ( nice gpu )

versus my desktop computer that consumes 400/500 watts each hour in full

both computers runs each game of the market

im seriusly thinking to unmount the notebook computer, and put it in a case, for better refrigeration, with this ill save the world doing some eco powering.

anyone here mounted a notebook hardware in a desktop case?

Didn’t review the thread but it’s probably been answered

Laptops are designed for low power use, desktops are designed for maximum performance.
Even though the processors sound the same by model number and cores a desktop chip will out perform a mobile chip by a wide margin.
Basically two different machines made for similar but different jobs.

 

[killster1]

my problem is the power consumption

because in my country, electricity is too expensive now, for example, you have a limit of 1400kwh each two months ( the trap, 2 months, not 1) then if you use more than 1400khw in your house, the cost per watt ( the total, even the consumed energy before pass the 1400khw ) gonna be x 4

this mean, in my country, if you use 1399 khw in 61 days, you will pay for 1399 khw

but if you use 1401 khw in 61 days you will pay 5604

nice scam right? government of my country say " it is necessary "

oh my god.. we are in year 2019, and electricity cost more than never in my country, of course, they are stealing to the people through this scam system...



then im trying to buy a new computer, better to an i7 920 with 1060 gtx, but, with less power consumption, but difference must be high

Same here electricity is so much and goes out for hours of the day now. I purchased a generator a batch of of solar and a battery array to try and keep under the limit. The 8265u uses very little power 1060 will always use a good amount tho. Hopefully soon we see lower power but better performance gpus.. get the newest gen intel u can find H or u.

 

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Same here electricity is so much and goes out for hours of the day now. I purchased a generator a batch of of solar and a battery array to try and keep under the limit. The 8265u uses very little power 1060 will always use a good amount tho. Hopefully soon we see lower power but better performance gpus.. get the newest gen intel u can find H or u.

some people told me that you spend more time and money giving maintance to the solar panel, than paying for normal electricity in 10 years, it seems solar panels are too expensive technology now, im thinking that is not a good deal

but probabbly you live in united states, then there, i guess, is a good deal have solar panels

also, i was reading about spain, government made a bill about people that has solar panels wtf, hope the government give the maintance for free to that people.

 

[mindless1]

To come closer to addressing your quest, there is no reason to mount notebook hardware in a desktop case. It has its own case already and the primary issue is going to be the longevity of the fan. Otherwise, you don't need a desktop case to hook up a monitor, mouse, keyboard, USB hub if you need more USB ports than it provides, as well as another port or two for an external HDD.

If you insist on stuffing a laptop in a desktop case, and feel like soldering together the power switches, using USB extensions to get to the case mounted ports, have fun with that but it seems useless to me.

 

[Confirmation]

To come closer to addressing your quest, there is no reason to mount notebook hardware in a desktop case. It has its own case already and the primary issue is going to be the longevity of the fan. Otherwise, you don't need a desktop case to hook up a monitor, mouse, keyboard, USB hub if you need more USB ports than it provides, as well as another port or two for an external HDD.

If you insist on stuffing a laptop in a desktop case, and feel like soldering together the power switches, using USB extensions to get to the case mounted ports, have fun with that but it seems useless to me.

check this

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/any-hacker-here.2564538/

do you know what is silent bitcoin mining?

this forum is safe, is not mining with our energy

at last if that people think to mining with my cpu, at last they will do in a pc setup of 45 w and not one of 400 watts +

do this in your browsers

open many browsers, check that browsers are in 0%, good

now, put in each browser, foros.gxzone.com and you will see your cpu in 0% as soon actions and order in cpu stop

now, repeat the same in other two websites, try with 18 chrome browsers " not tab " is important, in tabs not happen

you will see a " silent coin mining " that increases your cpu usage many times, with 1 browser " is low " but with many browsers, you can see the difference.

 

[corkyg]

A basic difference between desktop and laptop power consumption is the number of ports, fans, etc. that are being powered. Laptops power usually two USB ports. Desktops can have many more. Laptops have but one fan (normally) - desktops have several all going at once.

 

[killster1]

some people told me that you spend more time and money giving maintance to the solar panel, than paying for normal electricity in 10 years, it seems solar panels are too expensive technology now, im thinking that is not a good deal

but probabbly you live in united states, then there, i guess, is a good deal have solar panels

also, i was reading about spain, government made a bill about people that has solar panels wtf, hope the government give the maintance for free to that people.

Roi return of investment. I sent very little on the solar panels and maybe I would be better off using regular power to charge the batteries . Honestly I never thought of that just the power goes out for hours of the day and it's annoying so I'm slowly building my off grid abilities (gas generator getting converted to propane next) not sure if anyone is mining with my browser as I use my phone for browsing most stuff. Think maybe you trolled me but it's ok! Fun thread .. and I'm in south asia..

 

[Confirmation]

A basic difference between desktop and laptop power consumption is the number of ports, fans, etc. that are being powered. Laptops power usually two USB ports. Desktops can have many more. Laptops have but one fan (normally) - desktops have several all going at once.

agree, each fan could consume 3 watts, and to have a nice air flow you will need 7 fan ( 21 watts +)

i cant find an old picture of a case done with 70 fan coolers, was very funny hahah


i found a way to reduce at max the power consumption without touch the BIOS

just install EPU-6 if you have asus and set in power saving mode, this forces permanently the cpu cores to the minimal, even if you stress the CPU, making consume a lot less of watts/hour

same, download the power saving software for the GPU and set in power saving mode, but, i was checking my gpu, and most of the time is in 100ghz, guess GPU's has a better power saving mode than the CPU without any installation

Roi return of investment. I sent very little on the solar panels and maybe I would be better off using regular power to charge the batteries . Honestly I never thought of that just the power goes out for hours of the day and it's annoying so I'm slowly building my off grid abilities (gas generator getting converted to propane next) not sure if anyone is mining with my browser as I use my phone for browsing most stuff. Think maybe you trolled me but it's ok! Fun thread .. and I'm in south asia..

only way to check if someone is mining with your browser, will be, checking packets connected to a wifi " hard way to check " or, reset your phone, browsing the web, and check how much battery draws, and compare it to how decreases now in a normal browsing

if you see in 20 minutes browsing your battery draws 5% but after a factory reset it decreases just 2%, well, maybe was cryptojaking inside or.. applications installed doing cryptojacking?

if you have a battery monitor in the found, ill recommend you check that, and the data usage of each application, to have any idea about whats happening

i solved the battery draw of my phone doing that

 

[Shmee]

If you want a new efficient, fast, and cheap system, get a Ryzen 5 2600 with a decent motherboard, DDR4, a 1660, and no HDDs, SSD only.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you want a new efficient, fast, and cheap system, get a Ryzen 5 2600 with a decent motherboard, DDR4, a 1660, and no HDDs, SSD only.

Hooking my friend up, with a Ryzen 3 1200 (hopefully, OCed to 3.8Ghz), a new mobo (was showing him the ASRock B450 Fatal1ty Gaming K4, but the X470 version is now also on sale, and a better savings, and I think that he would be more future-proof for 3rd-gen Ryzen CPUs (16C/32T) with the greater VRM power phases on the X470 variant. Plus, all of the PCI-E x1 slots are open-ended, which is a nice feature. Along with dual NVMe M.2 sockets supported, and six SATA6G ports (probably lose a couple if you use both NVMe M.2 sockets).

I would love to get him a 2600(X) CPU for now, but I only paid $70 for the 1200, and it OCs fairly well, and well, he can wait until later this year for 3rd-Gen, before upgrading the stop-gap 1200. A 2600 non-X is $150 after promo right now at Newegg.

I've also hooked him up with 16GB of GSkill DDR4-3000 and a 500GB-class SSD, which he's eventually going to hopefully pay me for those two components.

It's been a long time coming, I've been trying to get him to upgrade from his 2009/2010-era Athlon II X4 CPU for ages now, it just keeps going, and going. Those were really nice, back in the day, but the Ryzen 3 1200 (OCed to 3.8Ghz), is like 3X the MT performance, according to CPU-Z's Bench tab. A 6C/12T Ryzen @ 3.8Ghz is probably like 4X in MT, or better.

For a GPU, I got him an RX 570 4GB (new, from a member here, thank you!). I've got two pairs of RX 570 cards in both of my "main" rigs here, I could have given him one of mine, but I wanted him to have a new one. Plus, the price was right. (Like 1/3 the price I paid for mine, ah mining craze.)

If I sell another PC somehow this month, I might go all out and use your suggestion, and get him a 2600(X) and a GTX 1660 ti, but that's just dreaming for now. Need to pay my bills first this month, instead of going crazy with the shopping.

 

[killster1]

agree, each fan could consume 3 watts, and to have a nice air flow you will need 7 fan ( 21 watts +)

i cant find an old picture of a case done with 70 fan coolers, was very funny hahah


i found a way to reduce at max the power consumption without touch the BIOS

just install EPU-6 if you have asus and set in power saving mode, this forces permanently the cpu cores to the minimal, even if you stress the CPU, making consume a lot less of watts/hour

same, download the power saving software for the GPU and set in power saving mode, but, i was checking my gpu, and most of the time is in 100ghz, guess GPU's has a better power saving mode than the CPU without any installation



only way to check if someone is mining with your browser, will be, checking packets connected to a wifi " hard way to check " or, reset your phone, browsing the web, and check how much battery draws, and compare it to how decreases now in a normal browsing

if you see in 20 minutes browsing your battery draws 5% but after a factory reset it decreases just 2%, well, maybe was cryptojaking inside or.. applications installed doing cryptojacking?

if you have a battery monitor in the found, ill recommend you check that, and the data usage of each application, to have any idea about whats happening

i solved the battery draw of my phone doing that

Lolz at virtual Larry long post about parts well I do keep track of battery using apps (oreo does it by defaut) my browser has never been using much power and I'm sure u have other things going on in ur phone. I use almost no apps and sometimes I uninstall between uses heheh.. only two apps use lots power life360 and flud torrent manager (found so fun to download on phones plan ) 80gb= 8$ a month here and sometimes get 20 up and down. Still think ur trolling us ,) domt buy a silly 70$ cpu, to bad they dont make desktop boards that take laptop cpu like in the past.

 

[JustMe21]

When I was running an i7-3770 and a GTX 960, I only went up to 116W max in games. For modern equipment, I would say get a Ryzen 5 2400 G and set the power profile to 35W. Make sure the RAM is just 1.2V, so it's only going to be DDR4-2400 or DDR4-2666. Also, Nvidia cards are more power efficient than AMD right now but I would stick with a GTX 1050 TI or a GTX 1650. Don't forget, a platinum power supply will be more energy efficient. SSDs also use less power than a mechanical hard drive. And lastly, when you play games, enable VSYNC and turn the settings down as much as possible, because the higher the detail, the more the video card has to work. By enabling VSYNC, you will cap your frame rate at 60 FPS max.

 

[zlognom]

It is true that laptops consume less power than desktops. It is assumed that an average laptop consume up to 80% less energy than a similar type of desktop. However, high end models of laptops can consume more energy, but will always be lesser than high end desktops. Normally the maximum consumption of a laptop is generally below 60 watts, whereas any normal computer consumes more than 170 watts.

 

[corkyg]

That is all true and assumed to be so by OP. The question is, why?

 

[fire400]

I gave this thread some thought for several weeks.
Perhaps the laptop is the better route.
It's mobile. If the power goes out, head to a coffee shop and plug in, if you're allowed to.

Also, the level of computing for gaming on a laptop, even if it's tricked out, will still be far less than a desktop. In terms of performance, probably won't touch on the ultra frames of modern desktops, but laptops, fingers crossed, if the right combination is acquired of CPU/RAM/SSD/GPU can still crunch some serious tasks.

In terms of mounting to a desktop chassis, useless unless you're modding for specific reasons untold, or for fun.
The airflow would generally be sufficient and keeps dust out with the enclosed chassis.

 

[mindless1]

That is all true and assumed to be so by OP. The question is, why?

Because you can use designs optimized for performance per watt instead of performance at the cost of power, or merely using the same design, don't run it at max clock speed the silicon is capable of.

It used to be that Intel and AMD did this with fixed speed designs, or that overclockers realized you could go the opposite direction (of an o'c) manually, setting a lower bios clock speed and undervolting the processor. You could easily cut the power consumption by half or even far more, but few wanted (needed) that much of a reduction, just to meet some goal like passive cooling or running a PicoPSU or something.

Intel and AMD had these fixed speed desktop and mobile alternatives, then eventually realized they don't have to be fixed speed, can dynamically downclock and undervolt either of them for power savings based on the load. It's just that desktop has a higher power envelope because it can, the heatsinking and battery power limitations aren't the same as in mobile computing.