Which is just silly. Too bad they didn't strip search every student coming on campus. Too bad they didn't search the homes of every student randomly without cause. Too bad they didn't have monitoring bracelets on everyone. Whats your point? Thats one of the downsides to a free society is that we allow bad things to happen in lieu of taking away everyones rights.
Which is just silly. Too bad they didn't strip search every student coming on campus. Too bad they didn't search the homes of every student randomly without cause. Too bad they didn't have monitoring bracelets on everyone. Whats your point? Thats one of the downsides to a free society is that we allow bad things to happen in lieu of taking away everyones rights.
Red Dawn
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My point is that in todays society it's not always bad to over react if in the end it doesn't harm anybody. This Professor definitely over reacted and nothing came about it. It's the same as if a Neighborhood Watch member saw someone loitering about the street and called the police and it turned out that the person was just killing time before he went to visit a friend in the neighborhood.
The problem is that lately schools are going overboard and causing harm. Some examples in the story talk about suspensions and such,... in one instance here in the Phoenix area I live, a middle school student drew a picture of a gun,... never made any threats, didn't have the gun shooting someone, etc, etc,.... and was suspended for a week.
I doodled a lot on my notebooks in class,.... based on what gets you in trouble nowdays, I would have missed about 3 years of class due to doodles,.... none of which ever meant a dang thing.
I agree schools should take some precautions, but realistically the chances they will stop something is low, especially with these tactics. We have a better chance of stopping stuff by changing the direction our society is headed with the entitled mentality, the lack of taking responsibility for ones actions, the lack of parenting skills, etc
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No, it's not quite the same.
This young man was doing what the teacher assigned him to do. Why the subject being discussed would make anyone "uncomfortable" is beyond me and since the teacher fails to directly address exactly why she felt the cops should be brought in I am forced to assume she just didn't like the topic.
Those big bad guns are just too scary to talk about. What a bunch of pathetic pussies we have become.
Red Dawn
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Oh you are right but if there's one thing that will help do away with the Second Amendment it's the nations children being gunned down at school. That ones ot the Anti Guns advocates strongest argument, that our children are being murdered by other kids who have access to guns. You start messing with Americans children and Americans become reactionary real fast.
I tend to agree a bit that we have issues with violence in schools,... school shootings are just a part,... but garner huge amounts of attention because of its shocking nature and larger numbers of deaths at once. However, there are more kids being killed by their parents each year, by others outside of school each year, etc.
I feel that our society focuses to much on certain specifics that matter little in the overall scheme of things and ignores the big picture completely,.... schools being "extreme" when the word "gun" comes into play is one of them.
I have two children and my 6yr old boy had the cops called on him by the school, had the police come down and the principal grilled him about going to juvie prior to the cops showing up,... because he stood up in the cafeteria and "shook his booty" basically,... (he was trying to get his friends to laugh), which they stated was suggestive and lewd,.... they never bothered to contact either parent while my kid was going through this. We didn't learn until after he came home that day. Needless to say after multiple heated conversations with the principal, the superintendent and the school board,... they stood by their decision, never apologized for not having contacted us, etc.
The reason I relate that story,... is because it is the same type of overreaction and it does do harm.
Overreaction can do harm in many ways other than can be seen,... including mental and perception (based on school records). I do care about safety,... but logic has been thrown out the window.
I am going to quibble with one thing in this thread: there was no suppression of free speech.
S&M
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I'd disagree. This teacher made it clear to other students who wish to speak on the same topic that they should beware or face intimidation and possible police investigations.
nobodyknows
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I just read an article on the dangers of drinking....
Scared hell out of me.
So that's it!
After today, no more reading.
Scared hell out of me.
So that's it!
After today, no more reading.
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Taking the actions of one jumpy professor and applying them to all liberals is pretty stupid. We also don't know what the kid said at the presentation. "I own 10 guns and I always have one close by." That might have struck a cord with the prof if guns are banned on campus.
If I might quibble with this, and it's a minor quibble, I'd argue the effect of having the police question you should you speak out on a mildly controversial topic could likely lead to a chilling effect on speech. Would you speak openly about how you think marijuana should be legalized if you thought it possible your teacher would narc on you? Just because it wasn't a pre-speech restraint here doesn't mean these sorts of actions have no consequences on free speech.
Bullshit. It's not her job nor her responsibility. She is supposed to teach facts. Not promote ideology.
Persoanlly I would have told the cops to blow me when they called.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Wow, sounds pretty ridiculous. I wonder if the students have CCLs and mentioned it in the presentation, and the teacher called the cops because she was afraid the students would carry on campus even though it's prohibited. Just trying to figure out what made her feel threatened, there has to be more to this story.
People that fear guns fear them out of irrationality and being ill-informed about them.
YEs I think someone reporting some one for talking about something shows signs of a mental handicap. People do all kinds of strange shit. Calling 911 because a drive through window got their order wrong. Happens more than you think.
The guy didn't have a "stash" of weapons. Going by your terminology I bet you think a barrel shroud is the thing that goes up.
You are correct that no one deserves a courtesy for carrying on campus, they have a right granted by the 2nd Amendment.
You and anyone else that thinks posting a sign or saying you can't have a gun here really deters crime is a fucking moron. The proof is in the news every time a school shooting happens. They're not allowed to have a gun on campus but OMG, somehow that magic sign made of pixie dust didn't stop Cho from carrying guns on campus. It stopped law abiding citizens and deprived them of their right to life.
Or something that prevented a crazy person like Cho from getting guns would have saved lives too.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Wow, sounds pretty ridiculous. I wonder if the students have CCLs and mentioned it in the presentation, and the teacher called the cops because she was afraid the students would carry on campus even though it's prohibited. Just trying to figure out what made her feel threatened, there has to be more to this story.
People that fear guns fear them out of irrationality and being ill-informed about them.
it's not the guns that are feared, it's the whackjobs foaming at the mouth over them.
I understand your quibble, but IMHO this would be like any other sensitive subject: you have the right to say it, but also understand there may be consequences.
This happens for all kinds of subjects and I don;t think there is much you can do about it.
I think if the school had an official policy about intimidating students who choose to talk about guns then I would agree that this is ridiculous.
I think what will probably happen in the future is a student would notify the teacher of their intentions.
Personally I view this as an overreaction, but this is what we have come down to thanks to the 24 hour news cycle and its selling of the "fear" brand.
S&M
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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Wow, sounds pretty ridiculous. I wonder if the students have CCLs and mentioned it in the presentation, and the teacher called the cops because she was afraid the students would carry on campus even though it's prohibited. Just trying to figure out what made her feel threatened, there has to be more to this story.
People that fear guns fear them out of irrationality and being ill-informed about them.
it's not the guns that are feared, it's the whackjobs foaming at the mouth over them.
In this case it was the teacher who was both afraid and foaming at the mouth.
Red Dawn
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I feel bad for the instructor...not that the Dept of Wildlife shit canned him but that his bitter outrage over his guy losing the election prevented him from thinking clearly which made it so the Dept of Wildlife had no other option than to tell him to take a hike.
In a way I feel just as bad for this Professor, the fear of weapons caused by on campus massacres even though they are but a handful caused her to over react making her look hysterical and foolish.
nobodyknows
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He should have left his politics out of it. I guess that since he was volunteering his time he thought he had a captive audience??
Then again after 15 years of voluntarily teaching that class maybe he was just looking for a way out?
I don't know how these courses work in Oklahoma, but here they are given at no cost by volunteers. This particular teacher got out of line and isn't teaching that class anymore.
Maybe the should fire that professor too.... and throw the Dean in just for good measure??
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