I can't afford my gasoline

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Gouging is a different story. Keeping prices artificially low to the point where the cost of production is more than the cost of selling leads to shortages. The California blackouts a few years ago is another example. California had tried some half-assed free market system that still had centralized price controls for energy. That resulted in shortages.

I agree.
That doesn't mean that gasoline prices can't be capped, with a means for the oil companies to petition the government regularly to show needs for increasing the caps.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Per living 30 miles away from work, "so you should move!"
Don't be such a dumbass. Ever considered "I work for firm X and my wife works for firm Y, and they're not across the street from each other."???

My wife has a 25 minute commute to work each day. Maybe she should quit and find a closer job? Let's see... she's a nurse at a hospital... Oh wait! That *is* the closest hospital. Oh, and that's where most of the doctors offices are located as well. Meanwhile, I have either a long walk or a short bike ride to work. I know! Maybe you're suggesting we get divorced and re-marry someone who works at the same place??
/end sarcasm

Then you have to do a personal evaluation of your situation to determine where it's most affordable for you to live.

Should you live closer to your job? Should you live closer to her job? If commuting is killing you, would you be better off if she wasn't a nurse and found a job doing something else closer to home?

Life isn't easy. Get used to it. Americans are a bunch of goddam pussies nowadays, expecting an easy life to simply be handed to them.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
The prices have become obscene

UGH GOD. COUNTRY>!@#

Put NSFW or something.

Need a warning!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: tec699
I live 30 miles from work. I live 60 miles from college. Public transporation is horrible in NJ. It takes 2 hours by bus to get to a desination that would normally take 45 minutes by car.

No it's not, we have the largest statewide public transit system in the country. wtf do you want, a personal escort from your house to your college?

Asking people to not drive so much is ignorant. You don't know their situations. What about people with disabilities? Asking them to walk is insane.

Thing is, people choose (or chose) the situations that they're in. You have a choice of where to live and where to work. If you choose to live far away from where you work, it's because you decided that's what works best for you - maybe the houses are more expensive near your job. That's typical. But then don't complain because it costs you a lot of money to get from point A to point B.

I work far away from my home. I drive 150 miles a day. I also chose an efficient car. It costs me about $10 to get to work every day, and I have no right to complain. I also chose to take a job closer to home, so you better believe I won't be complaining in two weeks. 🙂

Gas prices rising is no new thing. They've been going up steadily for 5 years now. People chose to keep buying gas guzzlers. They said they wouldn't change their driving habits until it hit $5 a gallon. I guess they didn't think that one through too well, because there's a whole lot of complaining going on now.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Queasy
Gouging is a different story. Keeping prices artificially low to the point where the cost of production is more than the cost of selling leads to shortages. The California blackouts a few years ago is another example. California had tried some half-assed free market system that still had centralized price controls for energy. That resulted in shortages.

I agree.
That doesn't mean that gasoline prices can't be capped, with a means for the oil companies to petition the government regularly to show needs for increasing the caps.

Heh. With the way the cost of a barrel of oil has been increasing over the last year, I don't think the government would be able to keep up.

 

[DrPizza]

On another note:
ever notice how: Oil just shot up $10 a barrel, gas goes up accordingly the next day.
Oil goes down $10 a barrel, we have to wait weeks before it goes down; and then, slowly.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: tec699

I average about 5 posts a day. I come on and might stay for an hour. He comes on and stays on for literally HOURS!

Get a god damn job.

I worked 2 jobs this summer. 88 hours a week. This is because I have a dream. I'm not some lazy god damn bum like this guy. I don't spend untold hours on the computer. How old is this guy? 12?

He makes hard working Americans look bad.

From the other posts I've seen him make, I think he's in his mid thirties and has a really good job. And a really nice house. That he paid for. He doesn't brag about his parents' house.

 

[phreakah]

higher gas prices = less people driving on the freeway

fine with me

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
How about those that can't help driving so much (parents of 3 children involved in different extra-curricular activities, people who commute at least an hour to work and others)?

Both of those are situations of a persons own choosing.

As far as the kids go, 7 or 8 years ago gas wasnt as expensive. (I say 7 or 8 as in regards to the extra-curricular). So I guess they should just keep their kids at home. As far as the commuting goes, DrPizza sait it best.

My wife has a 25 minute commute to work each day. Maybe she should quit and find a closer job? Let's see... she's a nurse at a hospital... Oh wait! That *is* the closest hospital. Oh, and that's where most of the doctors offices are located as well. Meanwhile, I have either a long walk or a short bike ride to work. I know! Maybe you're suggesting we get divorced and re-marry someone who works at the same place??
/end sarcasm

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: tec699
good. Oil companies are recording record profits and the American public gets screwed. In addition, Congress and the President do nothing about it. Why aren't they putting presure on the oil companies to reduce the price of oil? Oh, could it be that our beloved President and Republican run Congress are both pro BIG business?

I agree with Triumph. We live in a capitalist economy and by golly we should all be pro BIG business. In that regard I believe that you should all lose your jobs to the immigrants that are pouring into this country? You say you make $22 an hr? lol, please. Big business can train 3 Mexicans to do your job. Do the math: 3>1. I'd take the 3 immigrants any day.

Thank god I have a nice sizable inheritance coming my way when my uncle passes away. The money that I'm getting will easily sustain me while more middle American's slide into poverty.

what a shame.

Another fine post from tec699 demonstrating the flaws in our educational system.

Another fine post from Mwilding showing us just how much of a loser this guy actually is. Post some more loser. lol, 13 posts a day. How many hours do you spend on your computer anyway?


Your the loser son.

btw, I have to go to work soon. Try it some day.

loser.

pot kettle black

I average about 5 posts a day. I come on and might stay for an hour. He comes on and stays on for literally HOURS!

Get a god damn job.

I worked 2 jobs this summer. 88 hours a week. This is because I have a dream. I'm not some lazy god damn bum like this guy. I don't spend untold hours on the computer. How old is this guy? 12?

He makes hard working Americans look bad.

13 posts a day is nothing, Rossman anbd NFS4 have close to 50, woudl you call them losers?

at least Mwilding has a grasp of modern economics, unlike you

I also get paid a hell of a lot more that him, but that would insult his sensibilities to accept that.

Oh and I used to be 12 but that was over 2 decades ago...

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Queasy
Gouging is a different story. Keeping prices artificially low to the point where the cost of production is more than the cost of selling leads to shortages. The California blackouts a few years ago is another example. California had tried some half-assed free market system that still had centralized price controls for energy. That resulted in shortages.

I agree.
That doesn't mean that gasoline prices can't be capped, with a means for the oil companies to petition the government regularly to show needs for increasing the caps.

Heh. With the way the cost of a barrel of oil has been increasing over the last year, I don't think the government would be able to keep up.

How about linking the cap for gasoline to the price of oil per barrel? Then, allow the oil companies to petition to raise the rates for other reasons. (higher production costs)

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

How about linking the cap for gasoline to the price of oil per barrel? Then, allow the oil companies to petition to raise the rates for other reasons. (higher production costs)

the rates of profit are the same now as they were in 1998.



and neither of you is a slave. you chose where to work and where to live. you chose an industry to be in. it is feasible to switch, just not in the short run. in the long run, again, the price of gas is very elastic, as we learned in the 1970s. because people took exactly the same advice i am giving now. people move, people buy more efficient cars, people change jobs. suburbs exploded in the mid 80s through late 90s with cheap oil, now city centers will explode. you find the opposite of 'white flight' happening already with people sick of their commutes, and this is just another incentive for people to abandon the suburbs and move to city centers.

 

[desy]

Right its like when I heard complaints about the record profits banks were making
X billions a year and they said hey were showing 10% of X billions of buisiness.
We haven't increased the profit margin we are just doing more volume.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Another per living 30 miles away from work, "so you should move!"

How much can housing prices differ over a geographic range of 30 miles??? (which often far more than makes up for the costs of fuel)
Oh, I know...
"I live in a more inexpensive area. My company should close down their headquarters and move them closer to my house."

No, they shouldn't. The point is that you always have a choice. Buying the gas is cheaper than living closer, so people choose to buy the gas. But then they complain that the gas is too expensive. How stupid is that? (edit: BoberFett made my point perfectly)

Re: price controls - we'll be able to see how well they work in Hawaii pretty soon.

 

[UDT89]

i didnt read this whole thread, but i got a friend at the NY Canada border for Customs.

Exxon records a price of 80 cents a gallon when they bring gas over the border.

So you tell me where the other $2.10 is going.

 

[desy]

Yeah if I was smart I'd move downtown get rid of one car altogether and commute bike whatever. But it would cost me at least another 75G to get into a comparable house. . .
Not to mention city lifestyle over country.
Nah, I think I'll stay where I'm at.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: UDT89
i didnt read this whole thread, but i got a friend at the NY Canada border for Customs.

Exxon records a price of 80 cents a gallon when they bring gas over the border.

So you tell me where the other $2.10 is going.

Production, distribution, employees, taxes, etc etc

 

[ElFenix]

and, so you don't think i'm a hypocrite, i already took my own advice and moved 25 miles closer to school. and goddamn my quality of life is better between the gas savings, lower car depreciation, and not spending at least an hour each way in traffic.

 

[UDT89]

is it true that in NY there is a 30 cent tax factored in?

i mean how many times can we be taxed for one thing?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: UDT89
is it true that in NY there is a 30 cent tax factored in?

i mean how many times can we be taxed for one thing?

To infiniti and beyond.

Which is why I'm a huge proponent of the Fair Tax.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Another per living 30 miles away from work, "so you should move!"

How much can housing prices differ over a geographic range of 30 miles??? (which often far more than makes up for the costs of fuel)
Oh, I know...
"I live in a more inexpensive area. My company should close down their headquarters and move them closer to my house."

No, they shouldn't. The point is that you always have a choice. Buying the gas is cheaper than living closer, so people choose to buy the gas. But then they complain that the gas is too expensive. How stupid is that? (edit: BoberFett made my point perfectly)

Re: price controls - we'll be able to see how well they work in Hawaii pretty soon.

Quite stupid. Personally, I have no complaints about the price of gas. I've even laughed at people at a busy gas station in this area who wait in line 10 minutes (or more) for self-serve rather than pay the extra 2 or 3 cents per gallon difference for full serve (at that station.) Let's see.... you're getting 20 gallons, and will wait 15 minutes to save 40 cents? Your time is worth that much??

Better yet are the people who drive out to the reservation from the nearby city... They drive 15 minutes each way to save 10 cents a gallon... Okay, you saved $2, wasted half an hour, and used $1.75 in gas. Net: you saved a quarter.

Or, the people who drive around the block to get to the other gas station, because it's 1 cent cheaper per gallon.

There's something weird about purchasing gasoline that completely eliminates any mathematical ability these people might have.

 

[desy]

Its cause of price inelasticity and where else do you see the price of a commodity raised high above street level for all to see at every turn.
Milk in the grocery store? nope.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tec699

I average about 5 posts a day. I come on and might stay for an hour. He comes on and stays on for literally HOURS!

Get a god damn job.

I worked 2 jobs this summer. 88 hours a week. This is because I have a dream. I'm not some lazy god damn bum like this guy. I don't spend untold hours on the computer. How old is this guy? 12?

He makes hard working Americans look bad.

From the other posts I've seen him make, I think he's in his mid thirties and has a really good job. And a really nice house. That he paid for. He doesn't brag about his parents' house.

I think he's also got an awesome dog. I love your dog, Mwilding!

(I think you're the one with that dog)

 

[intogamer]

its kinda like the london underground sound

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: tec699

I average about 5 posts a day. I come on and might stay for an hour. He comes on and stays on for literally HOURS!

Get a god damn job.

I worked 2 jobs this summer. 88 hours a week. This is because I have a dream. I'm not some lazy god damn bum like this guy. I don't spend untold hours on the computer. How old is this guy? 12?

He makes hard working Americans look bad.

From the other posts I've seen him make, I think he's in his mid thirties and has a really good job. And a really nice house. That he paid for. He doesn't brag about his parents' house.

I think he's also got an awesome dog. I love your dog, Mwilding!

(I think you're the one with that dog)

ROWR!
ROWR! X2 (we got a second dog... 😀)